Can a Chaos Space Marine be uncorrupted?

No, you can never be truly "untouched" by the ruinous powers. But you can try to redeem your sins. Futile as that may be. But don't expect to be fighting chaos marines any time soon.

I don't know OP, can you set something on fire without it burning?

Wasn't it implied that some blackshields in deathwatch are former traitors and renegades?

I remember the bit where it says that it's the wind caused by Lucifer's beating wings that keeps the ice cold and prevents it from melting, keeping him and all others from escaping.

How's Age of Sigmar treating you, Fantacuck?

They are the ones who stuck with the imperium during the HH and did not fall to chaos, leaving their brothers in the traitor legions.

Muhammad?
IIRC Islam hadn't have a harsh stance on Christian and Jews, for the most of the time, while Muslims who converted were seen as worse than just about anything
The explanation for that was that while a heathen or heretic hadn't seen the truth and couldn't be held accountable because of that
A traitor on the other hand had seen the truth and still followed the wrong belief

No its a 40k quote

How about we settle this argument by posting the non-ant version?

it may be a non-ant version but that is a seriously tiny hand on that powermaul.

Tangentially related, but what about the Illuminati? The guys who were once possessed by a demon but manage to kick it out by sheer force of will?

Getting the proportions right in 40k art can be a pain in the ass.

Yeah but when marines pull away from chaos they just tend to become sort of marine rogue traders ala Ahriman or Fabius Bile. Neutral but only really reviled by the imperium.

That's a pretty good metaphor actually

There was this book called Daemon World where a fucking daemon prince rebelled against the gods. Its 40k, anything goes.

been there
done that

>So far I have not come across any source stating that a chaos entity was counter corrupted by the somewhat warp-based light of the emperor, either, so I have to assume that the writers don't think that's possible.
In the old Eye of Terror campaign there was a fluffpiece where a sorcerer guiding a Chaos fleet through the Warp looked directly to the light of the Astronomican and has a "my god, what have I done?" moment. He then changes the course of the fleet so that it crashes right into a star when exiting the Warp, destroying the Chaos fleet and himself.

Well, apparently Black Legion bros didnt't give a fuck about losing chaos powers.

You can't uncorrupt yourself. Once Kaos has raped you you are fucked for life and unlife. The best you can get is a moment of clarity and choose to die as a human, but you can't come back.

>Implying anyone knows anything about Age of Shitmar lore

Seriously you're going to have to explain this image.

The Exorcists are full of recently possed space marines but there founding chapter is apparently the grey knights

No, only purged. This is the same as the "angels can fall, so why can't demons rise" question.

Simply because "good" is treated he same as "innocence." Once you lost your innocence just once, even if it was not your fault, then by definition you are "no longer pure". Once you once tasted evil you will you can never go back. You had one shot and there is no way of undoing the change, what has happened happened. You now know what is not meant to be known. God gave you a chance like he does to everyone, you wasted that chance, God's rules are clear and absolute, god doesn't forgive you for your transgressions and God doesn't forget your transgressions EVER. Because as soon as he forgives one, then everyone will think it is okay to sin, that there is a chance no matter how small to get away with it. Once that happens the system that was set up collapses into anarchy so it can never happen.

plot twist. according to bible god forgives all anyway so whatevs

The countless souls that are in hell would kindly beg to differ.

Greater plot twist. There is nothing after death and the universe made itself.

IIRC there was a CSM during one of the black crusades who saw the error of his ways and suicided a space vessel to thwart some plan

There's an older novel called Daemon World that has a former chaos champion as a character. He's not uncorrupted, but he doesn't believe in the path to success via-warp powers anymore. Kind of a broken shell filled with contempt who can still do some things, but not as well as when he was filled with the blessings of the dark gods. So its probably possible, but very rare, to no longer be a slave to chaos (although its probably still part of the plan) but you're never going back into the light of the emperor. He's like 'what if Jesus didn't forgive us?'.

Turns out, chaos marines and 40k tech fall through the warp into the norther wastes with some frequency.

God I hope you're not actually trying to talk Christian doctrine right now, because that's so far wrong as to actually hurt my brain.

Good to know. I would argue that that's just a moral redemption, but not a physical cleanse, and I would interprete the chance that this clarity of mind was temporary and given enough time to "regain" his corrupted composure would have led the sorceror to be wholehartedly chaotic, again.

Now on the other hand I would definitely like to see this where corrupted marines are grabbed by the soultstrings and turned around, leading to mutants to infilitrate Demonworlds in order to redeem themselves in the eyes of the Emperor for their apostasy.

Jesus died for our sins, and the Pope, the spokesman of Big G on earth, allows you to confess and buy your way out of hell into purgatory and if you pay enough you go to heaven.

J.C. was a kool guy and capitalism works.

God can.
Could the Emprah exorcise a traitor with his psychic powers?

>old testament emperor

this is so ugly

Only to a point.

He might pull back from the brink and seek redemption, but its unlikely he will ever find it. The Chaos gods own his soul, so he cannot find redemption in death. And no one else will ever trust him again, so its unlikely he will find redemption in life.

The closest thing would be if a CSM left the service of the chaos gods and managed to save someone or something important from the grip of chaos. To deny chaos some victory, big or small.

But given how often chaos fights itself anyway, it would be nearly impossible to tell the difference between this and business as usual for chaos forces.

I mean, I'm no expert by any stretch, but isn't he kinda right? As far as the old testament go, the Bible is pretty clear that God does not fuck around.

Then you get thr new testament where the writers have realised scaring everyone into submission moght not work anymore, and started to preach love and the forgiving of sins if you're a believer.

Or am I wrong?

The exorcist chapter does it all the time

That's the (late?) great Arguleon Veq, who could be as tall as a mountain or as small as a mouse, rider of Slaughtersong, bearer of the Emerald Sword, who for a long time walked among the Word Bearers as Karnulon, beloved of Lorgar.

He wasn't a Daemon prince per se, but he was a mighty champion of the gods who claimed the Eldar stronghold at the centre of what would become the Maelstrom, broke it's guardian-spirit, and claimed it as Torvendis, Daemon-World and home of endless legends.

Then he realised he got conned after thousands of years of servitude and blew the place up because fuck all four of you extra-dimensional arseholes.

He didn't seek the Emperor's light and at one point explicitly states that his soul is lost, but he's proof that very occasionally the servants of the Ruinous Powers regret their life choices and rebel against their masters, usually at the cost of their lives.

Daemon World is the shit go read it.

>Tips fedora.

Non-temporal beings cannot change. They don't experience existence like humans do. They can't regret or repent. They simply don't have the time.

They didn't acknowledge Jesus as their saviour.
You can rape Babies and kill innocents for fun but if you repent and say the words before you die God will forgive you and let you in.
>youtube.com/watch?v=bm38xVMa5Ic

Catholicism is a really fucked up religion

When you join chaos you basically sign a contract and sell your soul to one of the gods

Thread should end with this. Once chaos god has your soul not even thousand emperors could save you, you either become daemon prince or suffer until the end of times

This makes no sense, all souls belong to the chaos gods by default, they just eat those that do not serve them directlyinstead of recycling them.

The Exorcists dont trade their souls in the traditional manner. They merely get possessed and then exorcised.

>AoS

DID THE THUNDERBLADE SPARKSOULS DEFEAT THE WRATHBLOOD BLOODBLOODS AND JOIN THE HORDE?

HOW BIG AND PLASTIC WILL THEIR PAULDRONS LOOK NOW?! FUCK THAT GAY ASS EARLY MODERN ERA BLACKPOWDER SHIT, THAT'S SO FUCKING GAY, I WANT MY MEDIEVAL FANTASY TO LOOK LIKE A RAID ARMOUR SET FROM WOW

Eye Of Terror by Barrington J. Bailey features a Dark Angel from the heresy who gets thrown into space during the purgation of a World Eaters extrasolar planetoid fortress, and drifts into the Occularis Terribus thousands of years later, unaware that half his Legion turned to the darkness or of how much time has passed.

He's unwittingly tainted by proximal exposure to Chaos at the behest of one of the Fallen, and later calls on the power of Tzeentch to survive on one occasion out of ignorance and misplaced trust in his fallen brother, but he remains a true servant of the Emperor and helps undo the scheming of various Daemons at one point when journeying through the Daemon worlds of the Eye.

When he returns to the Imperium and his chapter, he's sentenced to death because he's irrevocably tainted due to voluntary invocation of the Four in a moment of dire need, but for his obvious loyalty and his part in undoing their works he's granted a quick excoriation and execution.

There can be no better fate for those who have freely touched the darkness.

It´s hard to say what happens by default to non servants of chaos. If emperor is alive then he probably gathers the faithful souls and sends them back into reality. If emperor lets say is not around than souls get eaten, shat out and reborn again after some time I suppose. Anyway being eaten is always much better than being tortured for like 500-1000 years until you are either reborn or eaten

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Technically they can paint their armour black and go deathwatch, although i suspect they undergo pretty intense tests to weed out the less than pure.

Although it remains to be seen how well known the deathwatch actually is

Not a CSM.
A traitor or renegade marine absolutely can, but those who accept chaos, willingly or otherwise, are beyond help.

See eldar, even those who got away from the main eldar cluster and started living on craftworlds before their fall get eaten by slaneesh if they don't have a spirit stones.

All souls go into the warp, the warp is currently controlled by the 4 chaos gods so all souls go to them and they feed on them, it's a theory that the emperor also controls a portion of it but it's just a theory.

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Not those two, but eldar are in a unique position because they created Slaanesh. Slaanesh is made of the aggregate bits of Eldar soul stuff, and so eldar souls return to him/her/it when they die. This is also probably why the eldar are a declining race, as some lore implies their souls use to be reincarnated before the Fall. With the souls of fallen Eldar either trapped in soul stones or being captured by Slaanesh, they cannot enter their cycle of rebirth. This begs the question of where new eldar come from. Eldar birth rates are fairly low, possibly due to the dearth of suitable souls, but where do babies come from then? Are new Eldar simply the subdivided souls of their parents, gradually growing weaker with each generation? Do the souls of other species occasionally get reincarnated as Eldar?

If struck by ghal Maraz itself, a traitor has the corrupted parts of his soul burned away, and whatever is left of the man they once were goes back to azyr the same way the warriors that became the stormcasts did. Sigmar judges them and those he deems worthy are redeemed and join the stormcasts. Since many chaos champions had a great deal of resentment towards being corrupted, they absolutely hate chaos and fight all the harder now that they are given a second chance. The guy in the picture was originally nurgles main champion, but has now been redeemed and brought back as his worst enemy, dedicat d to hunting down the other nurgle champions

Of course fantacucks and chaos fags will say it's retarded that this is possible, but won't bat an eye at the fact that an entire planet can be consumed in daemons and its entire population damned for eternity to a truly horrific fate, just because some kid had migraines and turned out to be a latent psyker. Or that you can be corrupted by chaos despite doing literally nothing wrong and have no way of ever being redeemed ever.

Where are the other three Eyes of Terror?

I think warhammer afterlife goes like this:
If chaos gods are not around, old souls go into warp and come back to reincarnate, while also new souls are created by birthing
If chaos gods are around they block the reincarnation process but new souls can still be born

>as some lore implies their souls use to be reincarnated before the Fall

The shamans of earth did the same, when that process started to become difficult and they saw what happened to the eldar they fused together to make the emperor, all souls go to the warp.

>Eldar birth rates are fairly low

Also this is because of their biology, I don't remember the specifics but eldar have to impregnate their females multiple times and cycle is much longer than humans to generate 1 off spring.

Well ignoring the implicit suggestion in your question that it's all made up for whatever reason yeah you're kinda wrong and right at the same time. The Old Testament basically teaches that everyone is a sinner for various reasons. What actually is the result of that is not made clear but can be implied that all sinners were lost because there was no way to save them. Then God became Jesus and thus created a system were redemption became possible (hence Gospel=Good news) and you were no longer lost.

What the other guy said was basically you're born sinless and once you fuck up a single time you're done and there's no coming back. In actual doctrine you're born sinful and through acts of repentance on your part can be forgiven and are no longer lost.

All of this is hilariously simplified but that's the essence of it, which is directly contrary to what he thinks Christianity is.

>Litteraly get the corruption beat out of you

That's pretty cool.

I ought to know more about this stuff really, my damn family name is descended from Cathares heretics from the south of France after all.

That is definitely a Word Bearer. The shape of the pauldrons are a good indication as well as the visible tubes on the armor of the marine near him and guns and gas masks being worn in the background.

No.

>The qt elfen waifu race need to be constantly boning and have a crazy high sex drive

MUH

Am I the only one who is a sucker for the "Irredeemable realizes how bad the fucked up and how far they have gone but tries to do good anyways" kind of stories? A Chaos Space Marine deciding to rebel against the Gods to protect Humanity once more even though his soul is completely lost is awesome.

The way I see it , after looking at Moorcock's works, Chaos is pulsions. Corruption is just you not having enough willpower and giving in to your baser instincts. You get lazy and dishes are piling in the sink. You get angry when the website won't load. You feel joy just shitposting to strangers. You masturbate to porn instead of being productive. It's not evil, just disappointing. A waste of potential. The ruination of your best efforts.
And the farther you get, the harder it is to resist. So somebody realising that his live is shit and trying to change that, or even succeeding; yes, absolutely.

But complete redemption? It goes opposite to that theme. It's supposed to be Grimdark., a constant struggle. You're part of the lost and the damned, the best you can do is keep your inner demons at bay, for another day.
You can't defeat chaos, no more than chaos can win. It's a neverending cosmic battle.

How much force does a Terminator stomp have?
The armour alone weights like a ton + the 200kg Astartes muscle monster inside.

Termi stomp attacks when?

I'll admit I was gonna say something like this, but then I thought the joke had already run its course and I didn't want to /pol/ the thread up.

Old Testament is the Jewish book. Christians follow the New Testament. Kind of makes you wonder if everyone that had ever lived and died before ~25 AD is burning in hell because they were tainted by original sin without being cleansed by the Christ's death.

Anyway, there's a probably a couple of Protestant denominations that don't believe in redemption, but the two largest denominations, the Catholic and Orthodox churches, both believe that anything can be forgiven by accepting Christ as one's Lord and savior. IIRC, Catholics require repentance before death, while Orthodox Christians believe it's possible to repent and be saved any time before Judgement Day. All in all, forgiveness and redemption is a pretty substantial facet of the Christian faith.

>m-muh grimdark!
One of the things I actually like about AoS is that there is hope that races other than chaos could win. Th whole "chaos is always going to win and fighting it is pointless" is pretty boring. Why do I give a shit about orcs, or the undead, or tyranids or necrons if none of those threats really matter and chaos is going to roflstomp everyone?

I vaguely remember that in the old warhammer battle RPG adventure "Something Rotten in Kislev", there is some sort of ritual to burn out chaos corruption out of people. If I remember well, it's quite literally burning them out, as the subject/victim take damage proportional to his degree of corruption. Death isn't an unlikely result.

However, to give you an idea of how canon it is, it involved the help of Malal (under that name), Zuvassin and Necoho.

> That ork in the backgound
> "'Yeah, proper stomp, I approv'"

Rumored to be Grey Knights successors. And they aren't traitors turned loyal, they intentionally possess then exorcise their dudes because it makes them invisible to daemons for some reason.

When Horus died tha warp power abandoned him and for a brief moment he was like: "fugg, what done, dad"

you just activate and psyker necrom pylon amd all the physical gifts go away as well as all chaos presence

That's not what I said at all.
I'll make a simpler (and wobblier) analogy :
Chaos as an antagonist is like Death.
You can push back death for some time, but you can't defeat it completely. And vice versa, you can't have death without any life.
Yet, is fighting death a futile battle? No, unless you're a complete nihilist. If you let sick people die and kill guys just for fun, you'll live in a shitty world. And on the other hand, even if everyone was as nice as a carebear, there would still be death.

Ps: In Moorcock's works, one of the eight arrows of the chaos star stood for law. Because you can't have disorder without order.
Check it out, it's an insteresting cosmogony.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_Chaos

Probably somewhat like a 'Gator bite, or a truck falling on you. Now I'm imagining how powerful a stomp from Isaac Clarke would be if he had Termie armour. Possibly a new doomsday device right there?

Found it, wfrp1e.wikia.com/wiki/Invoke_Cleansing_Fire_of_Zuvassin
> Even a Beastman will be completely Human after the Fire has cleansed it.
Damn, Zuvassin is a pretty serious joke.
It mind-burns you AND may drive you insane, but not bad for such an irrelevant god.

During the original 13th Black Crusade campaign, I know one event card had a Thousand Son sorcerer getting just tired of it all, and plunging him and his ship full of monsters into a sun, seeking absolution.

Each probably happened millions of years before humans stepped up to the plate, during the War of Heaven when Necrotyr and Old Ones fought, and the warp was still a paradise. The older three were either warp entities that already existed and were changed by the massive suffering during the War in Heaven, or did, in fact, birth themselves in a similar manner to Slaanesh.

Of course, the Eye is maybe 10k years old? The older Gods, should they have been birthed the same, had millions of years for their storm to subside, and eras of somewhat relative calm for them to settle down, since most of the galaxy was dead.

Found a gif to go with it

I suspect that letting a daemon inside you needs some form of weakness for the daemon to grapple onto, and when you expel the daemon it takes that part with you.

Death Spectres do something similar, but don't exactly invoke daemons so directly, instead having the aspirant die for extended periods and subjected to the warp before being revived.

No.

Chaos Space Marines by their nature are corrupted. The moment they break with their chapter they're corrupted beyond redemption.

Just the way we like it.

Isn't the "exposed to the warp" part only for their librarians though? I remember Kill Team Talon's leader "dying" 3 times or do we're told. Once to become a Death Spectre, once more to become a full fledged librarian and once more when he uded his powers too much, which had him having a quick chat with the daemon that possessed his Excorsist buddy who apparently is not on good terms with said entity.

I'm pretty sure he did this to Horus before completely obliterating him. Didn't Horus shed a single tear when he realised what he'd done?

Nurgle trips bitches! Woo

He did. But don't worry, BL will rape that you and tell us Empy was outmatched in every way and it's actually Belakor that broke Chaos' grasp on Horus or some shit.

>Simply because "good" is treated he same as "innocence." Once you lost your innocence just once, even if it was not your fault, then by definition you are "no longer pure". Once you once tasted evil you will you can never go back. You had one shot and there is no way of undoing the change, what has happened happened. You now know what is not meant to be known. God gave you a chance like he does to everyone, you wasted that chance, God's rules are clear and absolute, god doesn't forgive you for your transgressions and God doesn't forget your transgressions EVER. Because as soon as he forgives one, then everyone will think it is okay to sin, that there is a chance no matter how small to get away with it. Once that happens the system that was set up collapses into anarchy so it can never happen.
this is not what Catholics believe
most of Protestants do thou

Soul Drinkers count, though some have spider legs.

That would explain why Americans are so big on the "Don't you dare sin" part, considering their ability to take anything and turn it up to 11.

Oh I agree, that's why I phrased it to seem tired and stale as fuck. Because it is. The motherfucking erection is over, can we please get back to Veeky Forums stuff?
And on that note, I think it'd be cool if they were able to be uncorrupted, but not redeemed. Like they can say 'fuck this chaos BS, I'm out', but they'll never be forgiven by the imperium. So they do loyalist-type stuff, but in the background and undercover, maybe using the warpy stuff they learned against their former masters

...

Yup, just got some new headcanon for Legion Of The Damned, unless I'm missing something and this is the actual canon for them.

They were never "pure" after that though. Each moment that passed brought these renegades closer to true chaos. They basically all died before the chapter actually fell to chaos but a lot of them did, like the assault sergeant with chainsword on his arms.