Reform those ranks! What're you working on to better your Legion?
I'm painting up two Rhinos, and thinking of where I want my colors on my Stormraven>Eagle conversion. Also waiting on one more Rhino and two bike squads I'll be using as Outriders.
Parker Russell
First for Alpha Legion
Hunter Ramirez
XIITH FOR THE XIITH! RRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRGH.
Charles Wilson
So what's the actual point of a Spartan deathstar? I'm looking to get into Heresy with a Mechanicum army using Myrmidons, aircraft and tonks, , plus light robots, and as far as I've seen everyone sticks a 400pt+ Primarch with a 300pt termie squad in a 350pt Spartan. How can that possibly kill it's points? Seems like it would get torched and then kited by anyone competent.
So far my plan for a counter to that is Scoria and some Vorax outflanking, and that's about half the cost and still really dangerous.
Gavin Walker
>Scoria Youve already won. Scoria is a fraction of what he should cost and of what a spartan deathstar will be and will still win. And he'll of course have some robutt buddies.
Really spartanstars are overrated. Medusas, grav anything, and simply shooting it in the sides are easy to do. Then it's stuck out in the open and laid to waste. The options are so wide that even if you dont face a spartan youll still have a good list.
Luis Ortiz
Flare shields greatly reduce the number of weapons that can threaten a Spartan, and 300+ points is worth it because footslogging is slow and leaves you vulnerable to the weapons that flare shields work against.
James Cox
>man, I really want to take a cool unit of [legion specific] terminators >and I also want to take a primarch, because I think [my primarch] rocks. Now, he'll need a transport because plasma guns are a thing. >hmm, land raiders only seat 10, and [legion specific] terminators have a minimum unit size of 5 so they fill it up, can't add any characters to that >seems a bit silly to buy a transport just for the primarch alone and then have the terminators in another land raider >I know! A spartan! That allows me to fit all this cool stuff in a single assault vehicle! ...is pretty much how I imagine it normally goes. Stage 2 can also be replaced with >man, I need this praetor for the rite of war, but it seems silly not to get him into close combat with his stats, so he needs a transport... in some cases.
Luis Roberts
So annoying that they don't just give Land Raiders a transport capacity of 12. I see more Spartans than Land Raiders and that's dumb.
Matthew Rodriguez
yeah but then basic land raiders would actually see play and we can't have that
Luis Sanchez
Thats how it is when logistics isn't an issue. Every player can have a primarch and the best of what a legion has to offer at one time.
Would be cool to have a 'grunt' format. No named characters, no model with master of the legion, mayeb even no legion specifics(or a point%limit on them because I mean Mor Deythan or Head Hunters for example can show up anywhere for any reason).
Owen Harris
what army does girl plays in 30k ? in AoS its a majority of Dwarfs and sylvaneth, in 40k its tyranid, in 30k its ?
Joshua Harris
Has anyone gotten good use out of heavy support lascannons? A 10 man squad looks great on paper, esspecially in a bunker with a vox to counter anyone trying to get into melee which is what i have plannee. But I haven't played anyone who used them.
Thoughts?
Julian Lee
Girls don't play 30k user.
Daniel Stewart
>what army does girl plays in 30k ? in AoS its a majority of Dwarfs and sylvaneth, in 40k its tyranid, in 30k its ? I really wonder how much truth is in that and if it's not 100% anecdotal.
Jonathan Gray
>no model with master of the legion Alternatively, just make it so you can't take a praetor.
Rites of war being unlocked by a Delegatus would be a cool way to get some variety in that kind of format.
Asher Baker
I'm reading Betrayer, and really enjoying it, but while i was reading it a really random doubt came to my mind.
What are the Iron Warriors doing at the same time of the Shadow Crusade is taking place? They are one of my favourite legions.
Zachary Martin
It just fits its role as a transport very well, with the added bonus of shooting shit. It does what landraiders do plus more.
Carter Taylor
I had luck with infiltrated ones being RG. Decap strike to go first, Siege Breaker for TH, infiltrate for sweet side armor. But beyond that theyre really expensive.
>Delegatus Defeats the entire purpose of the grunt format. He's given full authority to take and use whatever he needs to get his task done. Logistics are out the window there too.
The point is to emulate the war from a wider perspective. The dudes that fight off-screen when the normal games played by players have primarchs and named people.
Luke Hernandez
Everyone does seems to have the same anecdote, though.
Nolan Collins
Emperor's chldren I guess.
Andrew Wright
If the theory that the appeal of nids and slyvaneth is all the tentacles is true, then probably mechanicum.
Owen Hughes
Looking at the blackshields reaver Lord I think I'm in love. Gonna try them out this Saturday and wanted to get some opinions on load out. He looks like he'll easily get to a land raider in price. Any blackshield players in here?
Noah Flores
>He's given full authority to take and use whatever he needs to get his task done Only if using chosen duty. Otherwise he's a regular low-ranking officer that lets you use rites, which absolutely saw use in the wider theater of the heresy.
Michael Gonzalez
Essentially everything else that happens post Isstvan, since Calth happened shortly after.
So the battle of Phall, Paramar, getting mind controlled by Cassian Dracos, defending the middle of no where,etc
Jeremiah Scott
Prepared to get focused fired. Ariltery will fuck then up, even in terrain so say goodbye to all those points.
Thomas Collins
Proteus should have TC 12 in exchange for losing the assault ramp.
Joseph Jones
Iron Warriors.
Jaxon Hill
Perturabo and the bulk of the legion went to Phall after Isstvan to intercept the Imperial Fists retribution fleet, followed Fulgrim on his daemonhood chase, and then went to Tallarn afterward. Tallarn was going to be a Pyrrhic victory but Horus ordered them to get moving before they got their hands on the Black Oculus.
Small parts of the legion were spread out through... dunno, the galactic north I think?
Logan Gomez
I know a guy who put them on a void shield generator. That works really well, actually - better than a bunker.
Aaron Lee
Which legion can pull off a Winged Hussar theme? The Scars?
Juan Campbell
No, to even become a Delegatus you are given a specific task. The Delegatus is a temporary position that exists on a as-needed basis. The Chosen Duty RoW is an optional way to represent this unique to him. Using another RoW is just another way to execute his task.
He still gets the keys to everything is it's in the name of what he needs to do.
Jaxson Moore
>No vets or terminators, seekers, or legion special units as troops >No praetors >No special characters >No lords of war
Limiting other armies would be a lot tougher though. I guess some options are >No Lord Marshal for Solar Auxilia >No Archmagos for Mechanicum >No Planetary overlord for Imperial Militia >Can only take one vehicle with more than 4 hull points outside of transports
Would probably lead to overall more interesting armies without superheavies, primarchs, and HQ beatstick masturbation.
Joseph Thomas
In the few examples i've seen; AdMech or Blood Angels.
Bentley Hughes
Scars, Dark Angels, and Emperor's Children can all do it fairly well. Unfortunately you can't take power lances as power weapons outside of specific units so you will be stuck with basic power weapons as well as legion special weapons like Phoenix Spears and Power Glaives.
Kayden Robinson
Iron Warriors were fucking everywhere. If there was a shitty war that needed to be won, a keep to be garrisoned, the IV was there...
Jordan Robinson
>check FW out of boredom >number of RT rulebooks in play decreased from 5 to 2 What happened?
Ethan Wood
I was thinking more: >No Praetors or Delegatus. >Support Officer is ignored for all but the Moritat. >(Maybe)25% of your points may be spent on Veteran Tacticals, Legion Terminators, and/or Legion Specific Units >No Lords of War
The other armies would need tweaking catered to them.
Would definitely give games a larger variety.
Ryder Cooper
I use two sets of 5, both in rhinos to get good ground and to use as a shield of necessary. Give one a siege breaker for it's buffs and to coordinate barrages. Last game I popped a spartan after one round of shooting and can't tell you how many drop pods they've intercepted. Worth the points if you can keep them safe
I like the idea of dropping storm shield termies in when they're getting to close for comfort to the actual fighting.
Ryan Gutierrez
Thanks, user.
Alexander Miller
Painting up some Terminators now.
Ethan Davis
Why would you remove delegatus? Removing that, praetor, and primarchs removes rites of war meaning that you remove a huge part of the uniqueness of the various legions.
Nolan Smith
Three were won?
Caleb Moore
While I can't remember White Scars' or Dark Angels' rules off the top of my head EC have a couple good things going for them. >They rely on the charge ore than probably any other army (+1 initiative on the charge and Phoenix spears are two handed power swords unless you get the charge) Winged hussars are all about that cavalry charge >Maru Skara lets you outflank three units and more importantly decide what turn you want them to outflank on Useful if you know what you are facing as you can set up plans that involve precise timing >Any sergeant can take a Phoenix Spear unlike say legatine axes which are reserved for independent characters Lances are a pretty important part of the winged hussars
On the other hand Ravenwing Knights sold by Games Workshop proper have wings akin to hussar wings on the back of their bikes already. If you want to use Dark Angels because of that or want to use them in making your own EC, WS, or other army is up to you but they exist and can work well to get the right aesthetic.
Adrian Johnson
Why does one look bigger than the other? Is that the difference between the resins and plastics?
Austin Sullivan
see and Delegatus is not a grunt format material.
John Barnes
Plus everyone would take him, the point here is variety of unsung line grunts fighting at a different front off-screen from the heroes.
Mason Foster
Oh course it's anecdotal. All info given on this fucking site is anecdotal. It's not like anyone on an fucking anonymous board feels the need to justify anything ever.
Asher Sanchez
Tyranids being the girl army isn't an anecdote it's a fucking scientifically verifiable fact. I guaran-fucking-tee you you could go paint up a colorful Tyranid army and instantly have all the women in your life walk by and go "that's cute".
Dominic Scott
How much money do you spend on Nuln oil user.
Asher Bailey
Some of the bases are taller than others, looking at them.
>tfw i haven't even painted any vehicles yet. >ooshtbhfam
Josiah Richardson
Decimation.
Brandon Thompson
Did any of the IVth fight in the Rangdan Xenocides?
Noah Turner
There's 3 of those and the DAs and DGs did the 3rd one. I think.
Jayden Lee
I do like the cute little robits.
Grayson Martinez
Are ya a grill?
Andrew Allen
>Support Officer is ignored for all but the Moritat. Welcome back to every single army takes a Primus Medicae or a Master of Signals as HQ. Support Officer exists for a very good reason. Even with Support Officer people take Masters of Signal in a lot of lists, which just goes to show how good they are that people are willing to bloat the HQ points load of a list just to get their support abilities in an army.
You can make an argument that you should be able to take libbies as compulsory HQs, but I'd disagree on two grounds. First, it's not really fluffy for anyone but TS and kind-of sort-of WB to have loads of psykers after Nikea, and second, we already have "libby as the default SM warlord" in 40k armies. I like that 30k sidelines psykers a bit, 7th edition psychic rules especially can really take over the game quickly if you get too many charges on the table.
Blake Edwards
>Would definitely give games a larger variety. I can see the appeal of gruntifying 30k, but c'mon, variety? You're pushing for the opposite.
Daniel James
Its exactly what a Land Raider should be, even better than what a Land Raider was in its prime back in 3rd or 4th edition.
Austin Brown
Plus theres no real reason for psyker HQs with all the armies as balanced as they are, for the most part. You introduce psyker shenanigans when you smell Eldar.
Lucas Walker
>Welcome back to every single army takes a Primus Medicae or a Master of Signals as HQ Arguable either way. I saw a PM HQ once and it was ehhh at best. I I see the value in the MoS, but take away praetor and bloat from legion specifics and its really easy to get two generic HQs even with support officer still on.
>second paragraph All subjective and contextual
Not necessarily true. I mean variety in different units. Instead of seeing every salamander list with a praetor with TH 2+/3++ with firedrakes in a spartan you might actually see flamer support squads, dreads, etc. Some legions are so pigeon holed into popular builds that I cant imagine them in typical line scenarios. Take away the logistically unlikely scenario that every primarch and his elite can be anywhere in the galaxy due to the arcade nature of this game and it shifts things dramatically.
Leo Gray
The Primary advantages that the Ravenwing Protocol brings to the idea is Rad Grenades on all the characters, the ability to drive off the battlefield into reserves and then outflank back on, and Molecular Acid shells/Stasis grenades.
The downsides are the lack of special units, poor LA advantage and the most crippling of all the LA disadvantages.
Isaac Edwards
HOW MANY OF YOU BITCH NIGGAS PLAY ON 32MM LIKE LITTLE FAGGOT GIRLS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT CAME IN YOUR BABBY'S PLASTIC BOX SET
25MM MASTERRACE REPORT IN
BLAST TEMPLATE DODGAN
HIGHER BASE TO BASE COUNTAN
HAMMER OF WRATHAN
JUMP PACK TOPPLAN
WHOLE SQUAD BEHIND THE RHINO COWERAN
25MM MASTERRACE
Eli Perry
>25MM
Fucking sucks shit, they barely fit on the base.
Cool b8 bro.
Jacob Morales
I think different mission types that emphasize scoring/progressive scoring would be a better way to get grunt lists in use. Most of the missions in 30k boil down to a combination of kill points and having more shit left on the board, preferably in the right places, at the end of the game than the opponent (i.e., kill points with a twist). There's only one progressive scoring mission (in the main mission list), and it's still got a lot of points in kill-y secondaries.
Honestly, I'd be curious to see how the standard ITC tournament missions would play with 30k armies. They tend to favor MSU scoring armies over deathstar kill point armies, although they made some tweaks this season to even that out a bit.
>TOES FALLAN OFF THE BASEAN Fuck that shit, the newer bases are so much better. Modeling for advantage is cancer, and by extension so are you. Get the fuck out.
Caleb Thompson
>half my army is on 25s still because 32 doesn't fit in the foam trays I own STOP REMINDING ME
Jordan Russell
>he still fields 25mm space marines
Eli Brown
So fluff it as a random captain or some shit. The point is to get rid of generic death stars and pride of the legion lists. By removing rites of war you are in effect making every list much more similar because they have the same limitations now. One can't access new units as troops or build a list around outflanking or deepstriking. It is just dudes on a table but now no death stars.
The fluff doesn't matter as much as in game effects. A malcador is less advanced than a leman russ, but if you wanted to prevent Imperial Militia and Solar Auxilia from super heavy spamming you would limit them while not limiting leman russ tanks since the latter would devalue all armoured lists.
A delegatus isn't a linchpin unit though. He isn't 4 squads of veterans or a primarch with his bodyguards or a 7 attack praetor with an honour guard. He's a crappy officer who gives you rite of war.
Camden Evans
Fuck yeah, bitches Space Marines were meant for 25mm, every other race should get 20mm instead of making the real master faction move
Chase Jones
>TOES FALLAN OFF THE BASEAN >not making an army of 100% running legs
Must be some kind of fort-building scum.
Brayden Miller
Adeptus Astartes are the 25mm faction. We're Legiones Astartes here, 40kid.
Evan Nguyen
>Always running So I assume you are a Raven Guard running away from the enemy. >Horus maybe if my guys run away from the fort fast enough while you attack head on we can capture it.
James Morales
HOW MANY OF YOU BITCH NIGGAS STILL PLAY ON 25MM LIKE LITTLE FAGGOT GIRLS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT CAME IN YOUR GRANDPA'S OLD MAN FW SETS
32MM MASTERRACE REPORT IN
BLAST HIT REDUCAN
HIGHER TERRITORY COVERAN
JUMP PACK STABLAN
SMALL FOOTPRINTS ARE FOR FAGGOTSAN
32MM MASTERRACE
Camden Edwards
30k didn't go 32mm until like half a year after book 2
Wyatt Lopez
>using the bases you were supplied with >modelling for advantage
Too bad GW straight up said both 25mm and 32mm are legal because they were too lazy to force everyone to move to 32mm.
Sure coulda used that attitude back in WHFB when they changed Beastman Gor sizes THREE TIMES.
Nicholas Thomas
Anyone got that rogal dorn's giant chainblade reaction image?
Jayden Bell
>Sure coulda used that attitude back in WHFB when they changed Beastman Gor sizes THREE TIMES. To be fair base size was far more important in WHFB than it is in 40k.
Christian Brown
nevermind, found it
Colton Howard
32mm bases look better on marines, unless talking about RT/2e marines
t. oldfag
Easton Martin
Sanguinus has Sanguinary Guard, Vulcan has Fire Drakes, Angron has Red Butchers
What are Dorns personal bodyguards?
Matthew Bell
Huscarls, this guy is their leader.
Michael White
What kind of armor kind user?
I can't find it.
Blake Lewis
Probably Indomitus because thats what the Fists preferred.
Angel Williams
So what color are Iron Hands actually supposed to be? I've seen the classic black, FW's oily scheme, dark silver, and so on.
Which is the official/which one, in your opinion, looks best?
Daniel Martin
In Praetorian of Dorn, they're portrayed wearing both Indomitus Terminator armour and regular power armour. The consistent element between them is a black cloak.
Henry Sanders
Why are there two different super heavies called the Fellblade? I saw a cheap fellblade on ebay, just a bunch of bits really so not easily identifiable, it was labeled Blood angles Fellblade so I figure I can scrape off any Legion markings
But lo and behold the Blood angels Fellblade is a specific type of 40k super heavy that looks like a Baneblade with more assault cannons. I know it's hard to come up with enough grimdark names but why repeat it on a vehicle in the same class?
Luis Hernandez
>a black cloak
GREEN STUFF MAGIC AWAY.
Fuck I wanted to model cool bodyguards.
Thomas Evans
>it's a namefag is a retard episode the fellblade you're talking about is a homebrew ruleset for a conversion made by BolShit
Jason Moore
Any 3rd party stores that could sell bits that match these guys' helmets? Also what faction is better suited for them? Militia?
Chase James
>implying I care enough to pay attention to what people on BoLS do
well homebrew or not someone's trying to sell one.
Jordan Thompson
>What are Dorns personal bodyguards? Walls.
Brandon Baker
Why do you want your guys to look like an earless Mickey Mouse?
Austin Lewis
The only bases Terminators should be on is 25mm prove me wrong.
Justin Roberts
I just want to know if there are mask bits like these.
Jaxson Thompson
>people selling shit with the wrong words on eBay is somehow the fault of anyone else but the seller
Jack Powell
I get that you're trying ever so hard to be mad user, but I don't really see the point. I found my answer about why it's not named properly and that's fine.
Have a good night.
Brayden Thomas
And I seriously want to know why you want your army to look like disfigured Disney mascots.
Owen Torres
Solar Auxilia list. If you were playing a clone of yourself, would it beat your army /hhg/?
HQ - Lord Marshall - 135 Artificier Armor Displacer Matrix Digital Lasers Paragon Blade
Heavy Support - Malcador Infernus - 285 Chem Munitions
Fast Attack - Lightning Fighter - 185 4x Kraken Penetrators
LoW - Stormlord - 515 Armoured Ceramite
2000/2000
I'm thinking I'll pick infiltrate WL trait for the Veletarii in the Demolisher, or maybe Eternal Warrior on the Lord Marshall.
Lord Marshall and axemen go in the Stormlord
Basically big scary things going up the field while the gunline, fighter and Dracosan harass.
Bentley King
Who's to say I do? I just want to know, user. I remember that they exist and I wonder if there were mini bits for them. And they are not that bad when you remember that the Indomitus helmets(not bashing but they are a little goofy) and the Emperor's Children exist. Are you saying these masks are worse than Fulgrim's ugly mug?
David Carter
>Heavy Support - Malcador Infernus - 285 >Chem Munitions I guess you don't like having friends? You may as well get the Tank Commander for PE so that gun that wounds on 2, ignores armour, ignores cover, uses a hellstorm template, and then lobs said template another 18" can reroll to wound JUST TO BE SURE.
Seriously, though, I know it has counters but no one wants to play against that thing. It's fucking horrifying. I'd only ever dream of bringing one to a big tournament like the LVO, and that's a big model to buy for such limited use.