Fuck Witch Hunter Edition! No seriously, fuck that guy, he's an asshole. So either lets talk about Witches, such as what you've played, experienced, or what kind of witch you wanna build, Or someone post the DHB Unchained Martial classes just so we can look at them, and also to specifically spite witch hunter.
Because seriously, fuck that loser, I hope he breaks his legs.
>THIS IS IMPORTANT! If you want build advice make sure to say what 3pp you can use, if any. >THIS IS IMPORTANT!
What's the most important item to buy with my 3000 gold as a melee Paladin? +1 Greatsword?
Liam Butler
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Leo Gonzalez
What level? Because if you're just level 3, there are better spending options considering a +1 weapon will eat a large chunk of your budget
Lucas King
Exactly
PoW was flavor of the year, but now we are disillusioned with it and we have realized that it was made by people who had no idea what the fuck they were doing.
DSP shilling without their trips on was probably the turning point.
Jeremiah James
OP here. And fuck you to you shit garggling cunt nozzle
Go away, you're as much of a shitposter as kitsunefag and witch hunter
Seriously, don't you have anything better to do than post your obnoxious meme every thread?
Oh, wait, I already know the answer, you don;t because you are a sad and pathetic NEET with no life
Michael Foster
Yeah, level 3
What's your reccomendation? I can't buy armor
Are you just talking about a suite of wands and scrolls?
Xavier Nguyen
I've decided not to be petty. I'll post your witches, OP.
Levi Ward
A Masterwork weapon, A backup weapon your usual kit of things Any other miscellaneous utility items as appropriate muleback cords Perhaps some other minor wonderous items, like feather charms
Also, why can't you buy armor? because usually I make sure I have a decent set of armor.
Also, if your game will not focus on events that will precipitate the use of non-combat items and supplies, then I guess you could go for the +1 greatsword
Lincoln Robinson
I'm pretty sure the "shilling" has long since been dead, the only thing left is telling people like you who scream about the damage and only the damage to fuck off. Seriously, I'm the person who wants to be in a PoW-less game and I think you're being an enormous bitch about the whole thing. Just because I said I didn't want a thing doesn't mean you have to immediately do your spiel on why "yea you don't want thing, that's great because thing is TOTALLY AWFUL and has absolutely NO REDEEMING QUALITIES, AMIRITE GUYS? EH, EHHHH?"
Josiah Nguyen
The "it's not really a problem that a 5th level DPS character can deal 150 damage in a round" argument happened again, and I was a little late for it.
Usually when I post this image, the DSP shilling dies out and we can talk about pathfinder for once.
Ryder Garcia
Witches and Liches
Jonathan Bell
>anyone who like DSP is a shill >When I post the image it means I r smart, and not because people decided to abandon any attempt of intellectual communication because everyone realizes I'm a huge shitposter and an idiot who wil do nothing but scream SHILL SHILL SHILL at everything
cut off your fingers and eat a cockroach you vacuous shitmonger!
Kevin Martinez
What Patron should I give a Coven of Ley Line Guardian Witches, hmm?
They'll be attempting to summon it into reality.
Asher Adams
Are there any good multiclass/prestige class options for witches? I'm finding monoclass builds to be rather boring for me lately.
It might just be that I'm a permanent DM most of the time, but I'm finding i really hate dead time more than i enjoy having a spotlight, so I like to have a character that can do a bit of everything.
Anthony White
Winter Witch is practically built for witches
Asher Myers
>experienced
Our witch keeps getting set ablaze. It's pretty irritating.
Dylan Martin
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Carson Price
Typical hot headed witches. Never knowing when to keep out of others prejudices. Next thing you know they will be accusing others without a spectral of evidence.
Robert Parker
Why can't you buy armor?
I'd say go with but also consider some potions if you're worried things might go bad, though as a paladin you probably can heal yourself.
Consider something for roleplay elements, if you feel like an item might bring more to your character. Like a pocketed scarf or a holy symbol that can hold a vial of alcohol or poison or something.
What's this a bout a witch hunter anyway?
Adam Robinson
Calm down dude. We can be civil.
full casters like the witch are generally bad to multiclass. I recommend playing an alchemist, inquisitor, warpriest, etc.
Michael Collins
It seems a bit limited to ice and it requires the Winter Witch archetype anyway, right?
Zachary Lee
Is there like, a pathfinder shopping cart program I'm not aware of? Trying to maximize my budget requires having like 15 tabs open at once. I must be doing something wrong
Well, the thing is she's one of the apps to one of the pfg games, and shilling her feels like a bad idea. Suffice to say, the build isn't actually proficient in armor.
Nicholas Thomas
>We can be civil. You've already proven in the past that you are incapable, so I've given up on doing so as well
William Torres
I've usually mixed wizard for things like Arcane Archer, Arcane Trickster and Eldritch Knight. Witch seemed like it wouldn't work as well for those, though.
Landon Wright
Did NEET become a real insult now? I thought using that sad label that impugns the user more than the target was a Japan and U.K. thing the rest of the world shamefacedly pretended not to hold against them on a cultural level.
Tyler Morris
See? You just were. Progress!
Exactly. Hexes are a huge part of what a witch is, and you need them to scale or you just aren't competitive. I highly recommend a 6th level caster because almost all of them are very fun to play and very versatile.
Hudson Sanchez
>she's one of the apps to one of the pfg games,
I don't follow.
Lincoln Richardson
I'll think that over, thanks user.
Jayden Gonzalez
I'm working on the character sheet for my character I applied to one of the games that cropped up in here.
Zachary Brooks
There are a few lists of essentials to have at various levels and all around useful gear. Most of it loses its value after a certain point but for immersion it is nice to have.
Daniel Lewis
Right, but why would a Paladin lack armor?
Henry Thompson
Getting it from other abilities
Hunter Baker
Looks like this thread is taking an elven turn.
Eli Nguyen
What's a good way to die heroically in Osirion?
Owen Carter
Locked in combat with the guardian of an ancient tomb slaying a dreaded mummy lord Fighting in service of the Ruby Prince, that he may revive you as a member of his honor guard Single handedly fending off a horde of bandits to protect a trade caravan Fighting an army of Werecrocodiles Fighting a CE Awakened Dire Hippo with class levels
Michael Brooks
Fighting an immortal vampire with a god complex, and determining the truth of his powers/weakness, and giving that information to your comrades before your death
Brayden Johnson
>Fighting a CE Awakened Dire Hippo with class levels
>lostcroc.webm
Aiden Price
Here is my houserule:
There is always a suprise round. If you are suprised, you skip it.
>tfw join game thinking it's one thing >tfw game starts and it's something else entirely >tfw you're not having fun >tfw you're not roleplaying like you can >tfw your character's function, their purpose, their goals, are utterly worthless or defunct in this new vision >tfw struggle as hard as I can to make the character click, but it just isn't working
If this wasn't a high-profile /pfg/ campaign I would've quit already. God dammit.
Brody Richardson
Talk to the DM and bow out? Let someone else who is a better fit come in?
Levi Campbell
What's a good way to build relationships with other characters after the campaign starts? Right now we're all connected to one guy, like spokes or a web. We really need to branch out, but it's tough when one character has such high CHA.
Connor Kelly
Is this HV? Tell us about it, give me your spot.
Benjamin Edwards
I was going to do this later tonight, I just wanted to vent a little of my sheer frustration. Not at the campaign - everyone else is bloody fantastic, but at my inability to actually adapt or join in on the activities.
Jacob Bennett
Some things don't jive with some people. People are different. It's a good thing. Find what you love and chase it!
Ayden Gutierrez
>Two /pfg/s >One is kitsuneposter bullshit >The other is some dipshit who somehow manages to be just as annoying as the witch hunt user he rails against >MFW
Asher Green
That's pretty much how it works anyway.
If no one is surprised there is just no surprise round
Robert Jones
The first roudn of combat is a standard action only?
Dominic Lewis
oh hai witch hunter
Ian Smith
That's the thing, this *should* jive with me. But it's not. Oh my god is it not.
Aaron Scott
...what isn't jiving?
Jayden Kelly
No, but if no one gets surprised, everyone skips the surprise round
Leo Jones
Nope: for my houserule: If no-one is suprised, then everyone is in the suprise round, and everyone gets a standard action.
Good or bad idea?
Liam Baker
My character with the plot. The plot itself. The other characters. My character. Everything isn't falling in place like it normally does, maybe voice is and always has been a better medium for me.
Dylan Gray
Are you sure you aren't having general anxiety?
Adrian Anderson
... Maybe? Things have been rough since the first, and I can't see them getting any better. From where I'm standing, someone far more deserving of the slot should get in rather than me, I can't offer anything someone can't offer better.
Noah Ortiz
It's not terrible.
Bentley Gomez
post your face when the party member capable of saving you from a TPK by allowing the spirit in his body to take temporary control says no to the spirit and you all die
Colton Moore
Talk to the players and the GM. What makes you think you are not meshing?
Mason Jenkins
It's the kinks isn't it?
Charles Butler
What are the arguments for and against Path of War being overpowered?
The benchmark here is Paizo's tier 3s, the campaign assumes an Adventure Path (seems like those are what's popular anyway), in a game starting from level 1 (because APs always start from level 1).
Ethan Gonzalez
I love the kinks, actually.
>What makes you think you are not meshing?
The fact I'm a lame duck in the roleplay whenever it happens? Seriously, I'm usually the guy that takes a large-and-in-charge approach to things, but this guy's been spending most of his time on the sidelines giving the occasional quip. It's like I'm not even there, and I can't see things changing in the near or even far future.
Leo Kelly
Level 5: 150 damage pounce every other turn forever. If you aren't a PoW you might as well be a wizard or just not show up.
Camden Ross
Path of War only really goes off the rails at level 5 or so. Before then, it's not as strong as things like Color Spray or Sleep.
Hudson Kelly
>I deal 30 damage a turn at level 2 and have over 25 AC and I can trip things at reach. >this is fine.
Jaxson Jones
There is nothing wrong with being an audience member. Are you having fun? If you feel you should not be on the sidelines talk to people and see what can be done. Do you have an IRC?
Thomas Nelson
Welp this is the true /pfg/ now.
Asher Butler
That is a very cute Elf!
Lucas Martin
For: You do a whole lot of damage. Those numbers of yours are really big. Against: Getting through combat faster is only a measure of power within combat. If you're not just hacking your way through waves of monsters then PoW is no more powerful than a well optimized barbarian.
Jayden Turner
>There is nothing wrong with being an audience member
There is *everything* wrong with being an audience member. If you're just there to occasionally swing your sword or say a quip or three while everyone else develops relationships and get all close and friendly with each other, that's a huge waste of an afternoon and a sign you're not doing the right thing.
>Are you having fun?
No, hell no.
Blake Gomez
Tell me PFG what's your favorite module or adventure path? That one plot(s) that was entertaining the whole way through
Levi Rodriguez
>double the damage record of a autistic barbarian Barbarians are already almost a problem. PoW just destroys any semblance of encounter design.
Christopher Harris
>A Barbarian with a Lucerne
John Hall
Different people are different. And depending on how many people there are it can be a boon rather than a hindrance.
Are others sitting out? If you are not having fun the first step is talking to the GM and the Players. The second would be sticking through, maybe you find your groove? The last would be bowing out.
Sebastian Cooper
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Charles Rivera
>deal 30 damage a turn >vs kill instantly in an aoe every turn
Connor Sullivan
Elaborate please? I missed the original thread.
Henry Allen
And as I said, if the game extends past encounter design then it ceases to be a problem.
Jonathan Gutierrez
user, you're precious and I must protect you.
Please talk to GM. I bet if you work together, there's a way to have fun!
Easton Adams
Something must be wrong with me then, I quite enjoy my softspoken Soul Knife that only joins the conversation when she's asked to, and is content to just be an observer.
Dominic Ortiz
>15 foot cone >35% chance of doing literally nothing >three times a day.
>if the game extends past the part with the nmubers and the monster manual and 95% of the fucking rules it isn't a problem. No, actually it still is. Because PoW can't do anything old martials couldn't.
Benjamin Wilson
>for MUH DAMAGES! MUH BOOSTS! >Against You still have the same results a competantly built martial will have regardless, and Strikes aren't the problem, its full attacking which is generally your go-to for damage still. All Strikes do is give you either an extra way to do maneuvers, or apply rider effects to your attacks. or actually be able to move around and attack, or actually have incentive to shield-bash.
PoW raises the optimization floor, and makes different playstyles actual enjoyable, all the damage bloat is stuff that is basically still a problem even in the Paizo Pathfinder
Angel Robinson
Have another cute elf!
Noah Sullivan
>Lucerne >Not Greatsword or Earth Breaker Laughingbellcurve.jpeg
Aaron Wood
>Are others sitting out?
No? Everyone else is posting fairly regularly and having what seems to be a lot of fun enjoying the intrigue or getting comfy while I'm sitting here just twiddling my thumbs.
>If you are not having fun the first step is talking to the GM and the Players. The second would be sticking through, maybe you find your groove?
That's what I'll be doing soon enough, and then sitting long and hard to see if trying to work on my happiness is worth blocking out someone's potential happiness if they joined where I left.
>user, you're precious and I must protect you.
You can't protect me, I'm not even precious.
Colton Ramirez
Those feel like they got reversed; I consider it a benefit that full-attacks and "I boost, move, strike, and next turn I counter" can work on the same character. Full-attack-as-a-standard Strikes are cancer though.
Jaxon Nelson
>raises the floor >150 damage pounce at level 5 jesus christ
Daniel Hall
I want to snuggle with that Elf in the grass, giving her cute little kisses and passionately groping her chest until the points are sharp enough to cute glass!
Jonathan Rogers
He said Reach, and Lucerne is one of the best options for Barbarians to have reach
John Campbell
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Asher Reyes
Do any of the people who applied for both Molthune and RotJR have a plan for if they get into both? Try to fit both into your schedule? Drop one? Which one would you drop?
Camden Powell
Again, please explain? Or is "muh 150 damage" a meme?
Adam Brown
Tyran is this you? Or are you Marshall?
Kevin Long
Oh I didn't see reach
Yeah Lucerne Hammers are p. good
Carson Powell
Di/Seht here. I doubt I'll get into both but I think I'd withdraw from Molthune.
Sebastian Ward
And what's all that damage doing against a foe, user? What is all that extra damage doing? This isn't Final Fantasy 10, where you get more XP for doing overkill damage; it's not like your damage overflows and spontaneously explodes the next mook over. All that extra damage means nothing other than "so this guy can't be revived". And if you kill an enemy that's a higher CR, guess what? He probably wasn't alone, there's 2 or 3 more around and they're going to attack you; remember, you get ONE counter a turn, unless you're a high enough leveled Warder, and then you can do it unlimited for ONE TURN.
Elijah Powell
I miss when elves were fey instead of space alien. Probably my least favourite lore decision PF made.