Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Forgeworld is fucking shit and here's why, you just pop a squat right there and let me break it down for you:

Forgeworld is over priced garbage trash and has 0 playtesting as opposed to 40k where the guys in the studio tell upper management that "yeah we play tested it, it's great" nobz in a naut

Take a look at the image I posted there, look at those numbers, those are active warhammer 40k products for forgeworld, take a look at the numbers excluding astra militarum (imperial guard) and tell me what you see.

I'll tell you what you see: SPACE MARINES 277 + (numbers for yiffs and shit), TAU 38, ELDAR 29

There's also a ton of CSM but we'll get back to that in a moment

NOW, lets take a look at what's going on here, the unarguably BEST codices (sm, eldar, tau, I don't care what order you put them in) have HUGE presence on forgeworld, so all the best codices just get better. They get more options, more toys, and these are for codexes which really don't need more options, or more toys.

SECONDLY, you say that forgeworld is more accessible but that is straight up a lie.

Forgeworld is only sold and shipped out of the UK by one company. And it's HELLA EXPENSIVE, now I'm all find and dandy for telling poorfags to fuck off but when you have models which are $200++ for a SINGLE MODEL well you can fuck right off then. I've owned cars that I didn't spend that much money on.

NOW, CHAOS, you might say "hurr durr chaos has presence but that's not op" and I'm here to say FUCK YOU FUCK THAT YOU'RE RETARDED. Most of the "chaos" forgeworld shit is 30k shit which is only legal in 40k as loyalist options a la angels of death, which guess what, loyalists don't need all that fucking shit, and before you say dreadclaw I say fuck you 62 pounds plus shipping for a drop pod which eats your overcosted marines.

If you actually look at the space marines stuff on FW, 80% of it is just 30k shit that can be used in 40k or legion upgrade kits carried over from 30k.

I am well aware that there isn't 277 things for forgeworld, and that there is like 12 contemptors and then all the contemptor arms

BUT even past that there's still and extreme amount of support for space marines. In short fuck you for schilling forgeworld.

>There's also a ton of CSM but we'll get back to that in a moment

Chaos FW is Trash, it's all 30k shit and most of that is just shoulderpads and helmets

The only thing i can think of that's unique to csm in 40k and 40k alone is the Decimator and Plague hulk-grinder

show me on the doll where the dreadclaw touched you.

>he thinks the studio making more and more shit for the factions that are popular/they like is FW-exclusive
Here's the same catalog from GW, notice how the numbers look similar? Not counting how those numbers you posted include all the 30k shit which apparently doesn't count for some reason.

>SECONDLY, you say that forgeworld is more accessible but that is straight up a lie.
I didn't say this at all. What the fuck are you on about?

>the Chaos rant
Sorry if faction-specific kits of common units aren't good enough to sate your autism, even though a significant number of the items you included in your Marine itemcount includes legion variants of the same shit, and legion/chapter conversion packs.

Also, for Tau, over 50% of that is bundles of existing models or weapon options for the models.

1. Most of that shit is cosmetic upgrades
2. Your main complaint is that it's expensive which says nothing about how it actually plays
3. Forgeworld stuff doesn't usually work in formations which is one of the biggest issues with Eldar, Tau, and other factions and is therefore inherently worse
4. Just because there are more options doesn't mean they're broken or as a usable. Obviously more popular armies get more shit, that's economics.

Are you a poor teenager who's buttmad over not being able to afford a single dreadclaw and are crying when your opponent rolls up with a full MKII Space Marine army?

The new Admech things are making me reconsider Torsion Cannon Kataphron Breachers. With Cawl, they can have BS5 or 6 for the turn they really need to hit something, and the new relic on an attached character, maybe a cheap termie Inquisitor for a Warlord trait and psyker can give them Skyfire or Tank Hunter to specialise. I think they're proper contenders now.

>has 0 playtesting
and somehow still manages to end up with superior balance

I'm not saying GW isn't shit for how they support their factions (ork codex fucking when, probably mid 8th edition holy fucking shit) but I'm saying:

>First
Allowing forgeworld doesn't solve any problems in 40k
>Second
It just exacerbates them
>Third
It over complicates the game (a game which has armies pulled regularly from 3 or more codexes) by adding even more hardback rulebooks (which are only sold and shipped from England) and units which most people didn't know existed (like the ork blitzabomba hue)

Expensive and under costed, just like cawl and celestine.

I don't give a fuck what your meta is where you all have four hundred pounds of special tanks and titans blah blah blah, fuck you. Enjoy the game how you want to, but don't get mad because people hate forgeworld, because people should hate foregworld.

Recently in threads people were talking about how bad exclusivity is, how bad it is to retreat into a niche arrogant shell for the hobby. The hobby needs new blood to survive and you know what scares away new blood?

"Oh yeah just buy these fifty pound rulebooks and this two hundred pound model to play this dice game, yeah you gotta order it all from england"

Forgeworld is just exclusive, masturbatory garbage

Any games you've planned or played recently Veeky Forums? I played a 2500pt game yesterday against some Heretical Blood Angels and my Guardsmen managed to kick their asses abd hold the line.

And what should I name my Commissar? He killed both Dreadnoughts in pic related with melta bombs.
And If you have any game pics it would be great to see too anons.

I can't. The Commissar said it would be heresy.

FOUR MEGABYTES

FUCK YOU, YOU PROMISED YOU WOULD RESIZE THEM BEFORE TODAY

NECK YOURSELF YOU FUCKING MISERABLE SOD

>Maybe flesh out the hive mind a bit more about how horrifying it actually is...

And ruin it with shitty writing.
The Hivemind works because it is so alien and unknowable. It didn't evolve in our galaxy. It is just so different.

By "fleshing out the hive mind" you make it knowable.

Honestly, the vast majority of armies that are using FW are not going to be overpowered, just different. People like to see different things.

What, exactly, is the unfair shit that's causing you problems? The only lists in there that are actually abusive are Imperial Guard super artillery spam and some of the Renegades and Heretics shit. Everything else is pretty much average.

This, it's exactly the reason why the Swarmlord concept is garbage and another excuse to neck Cruddace.

Planning to wander over to the GW early on Saturday and buy a Triumvirate box to split with my Lamenters friend, since he wants Celestine and I want Cawl, and it might make him less salty about Cawl's near invulnerability, too. Don't know what he's complaining about, his main army is Nurgle Chaos and he has poison, T nerfs and ID out the ass anyway.

Probably going to get a game then, I'll try to remember to actually take pictures after deployment, unlike last time.

>Allowing forgeworld doesn't solve any problems in 40k
>It just exacerbates them
40k is FUBAR, may as well ride the wave to 8th if you still can.

>It over complicates the game
Like 40k didn't have a gorillion sourcebooks anyway, I mean besides all the Warzone: Fuckfest books that are out now you have shit like the IA codex which WORKS ALONGSIDE EVERY BOOK THAT HAS SHIT IN IT. Imperial Armor isn't that much more to add to the pile since most armies will only need one, two or three at most if you're fielding allies or are Marines. That's nothing compared to all the GW supplements you could have to bring to a game.

>which are only sold and shipped from England
Read OP, retard.

>Expensive and under costed, just like cawl and celestine
Pretty much all FW Tyranid shit that isn't the Dimachaeron is overcosted by a factor of 2. Just like GW, FW have no fucking clue what they're doing balancewise but GW has had so many editions to fuck up the game that they're pretty much on the same level. See point 1.

>Oh yeah just buy these fifty pound rulebooks and this two hundred pound model to play this dice game, yeah you gotta order it all from england
40k is a L U X U R Y P R O D U C T and FW is a luxury on top of even that.

Dumb phoneposter.

>40k is shit!
>so spend 10 times as much on products that will make it even shittier
>What? Don't want to pay that much?
>Don't or CAN'T? IT'S A LUXURY PRODUCT YOU FUCKING POORFAGS
And this is why we ban forgeworld.

The only actual OP Units Forgeworld has put out are something based on GW's Wraithknight and things based on GW's Riptide. The problem in that regard lies with GW, not Forgeworld.

If you don't want to pay for it, then don't pay for it. You can build perfectly fine lists with nothing but GW products that can table even the most finely refined FW cheese, and there isn't even that much of it.

How does playing against a player who has a FW unit force you to buy anything?

some of us like knowing the rules

That blini cat is cute.
But there are no blinis.
Is it a wurst cat?

I'd still take the gw variant over the fw versions from a pure power gaming point of view.

Fw variants don't work with formations.

>mega.nz/#F!Wl5DAbCb!TYxZG4CgX_x-NJu7JBwbZQ!2tgBUTYI
Now you can

Some of us like seeing new things.

I doubt you've memorized every codex and supplement anyway. There's always going to be shit you don't know.

What units are you talking about that are so overpowered that you NEED Forgeworld to play against Forgeworld?
Have you actually played against it or are you parroting grognards?

I'm genuinely curious because I have not played against any FW stuff that I couldn't deal with with just the regular codex. I'm not talking about fucking warhound titans, that shots for Apocalypse. I'm talking Eldar Corsairs, Chaos IA stuff, Renegades and Heretics, fancy IG tanks, etc.

I welcome the fucking variance in opposition over lol 3 riptides or scatbike spam or gravspam.

>ork codex fucking when
How bout we update the codexes that are still in 6th first? Also whats with your hate boner from england?

Word Bearers user, where is the "Betrayals of the Space Marines" story? I have to know what happens to Marduk.

I'd agree for the Rip variants, but the Skathach is really damn good and you generally take an Eldar CAD anyway for the obsec bikes.

I'm just saying show it's effects on regular guys, making them absolutely crazy and mad. You don't have to explain the hive mind, just show the effects of how horrifying it is and why it's such a major threat

>I'm not talking about fucking warhound titans, that shots for Apocalypse
These are a meme. Any Titan that isn't the Warlord or MAYBE the Phantom will get stomped by its points in tailored cheese, and yes, said cheese can be pure GW and do just fine.

i hope he keeps making them larger to fuck with you

Mate, I not going to break the law and pirate every single fucking book just so I know how much of a fucking I'm in for when some fat prick puts down his overpriced toys.

I'm not going to play against armies containing anything forgeworld, feel free to play against someone else but if you've come to my store I should warn you everyone feels the same way.

Is the skathach the one with the melta guns or the one with the 7 inch rend net?

>and pirate every single fucking book
So did you pirate every single GW book, or did you buy them all?

Will they actually have them in on Saturday? I thought the first batch was completely gone, and my local GW manager seems uncertain.

I phoned up yesterday and asked him to reserve one for me, and his response was "It depends on if we get them in or not."

>scared of pirating
What are you 12?

If you don't know what something does then fucking ASK you beta faglord. ASK YOUR OPPONENT TO TALK YOU THROUGH HIS ARMY AND WHAT IT DOES.

>if you've come to my store I should warn you everyone feels the same way.
>my meta is the only meta!
Nice generalization, also I'm British anyway which is why I don't give a fuck about FW so I highly doubt I have ever or will ever visit you. I'll have fun with my FW-accepting group, thanks.

>breaking the law is cool and adult!
*tips fedora*

OOPS, sorry, it's called

TREACHERIES OF THE SPACE MARINES is a collection of short stories

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It's in Anthologies

>Not understanding how copy right laws work
>Thinks having those digital book is piracy

What else GW has reasonable prices?

>ahahah I live in england so it's neither overpriced and I can walk in and purchase it

>but you should all bend over backwards and accept me

fuck right off then ya jobber cunt

you can feel free to buy whatever you want but that doesn't mean anyone has an obligation to play with you

You could refuse to play against Harlequins because you don't have the codex and haven't read it, and that would be 100% your right as an individual, but it doesn't mean we won't think you're retarded.

Rend Net/Hellstorm

It can choose either.

Well feel free to think I and my entire store is retarded but if it means keeping away people like you let me be the first to say we're PROUD to be retarded!

Fuck you!
Fuck forgeworld!
Fuck off!

Thanks, man.

What actually is your deal? Why is FW any different from some GW shit?
>it's broken!
Not any more than GW
>I don't have the rules!
Are you telling me you own every GW codex?
>it's too expensive and this factors in to the gameplay somehow!
Then don't buy it? Just because you don't want to pay doesn't mean you should despise anyone who does.

Your store sounds fucking awful.
Do you all own each codex and each data sheet (even the ones only printed in products) or do you refuse to play against opponents who play armies that you haven't bought and memorized the codex to?

You sound like a help group for people suffering from brain damage.

>Implying England and Britain are the same thing
>Implying things aren't overprice in GB in the wake of Brexit
>Not simply asking someone about their army

Fucking sperglord Ameritard detected.

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt.

It's neither cool or adult but if someone charging me out the ass for a book. Ill take a digital copy illegally any fucking day.

> let me be the first to say we're PROUD to be retarded!
Holy fuck I'm laughing so hard

10/10 bait. I at least hope this is bait because I dread to think players like you exist.

Well that makes you a criminal and you didn't even break the law over something respectable you broke the law over children's toys.

Your parents must be so proud of you!

>Proud
>PROUD

Kek.
You shouldn't be proud you fucking sperglord baby. I bet if I walked into "your" store and called you a retard, all your "friends" would agree.

You're just the kind of self-deluded tard who believes everyone who thinly veils their ire likes you when nothing could be further from the truth.

You are fucking backwards, have fun with that.

Oh no user are you going to get me arrested? My parents are already dissapointed in me about other things so i dont really give a shiet

I have no idea, but its worth a shot I guess. Need to grab a couple paints anyway. Gojng to need a second Cawl for converting, but that can wait until the eBay prices are down somewhat.

You have no idea how copy rights works or what makes something piracy do you?

You are going to tell me making a photocopy of a book is illegal now?

...Do you even know where you are?
My parents would be more ashamed for me being on Veeky Forums or me owning thousands of dollars worth of miniatures than me pirating expensive books. Not that they are ashamed mind you.

Also, who over 18 gives a flying fuck about being embarassing to their parents? Especially regarding their hobbies. If your parents would be ashamed you have shit parents fuckboy

my dad plays Orks and he uses the archive here to pirate all the codices :^)

Stop white-knighting for a company run into the ground by shareholders who don't give a fuck about you.

Here's the horrifying truth, spaghetti pockets, fucking nobody really likes you, everyone does illegal shit, and there isn't enough fucking money in the world.

Where I live letting your dog shit on the pavement and not cleaning it up is illegal, but people still fucking do it. You know why? Because they don't give a shit, the police don't give a shit, the government sure as fuck don't give a shit.

You are not going to get arrested for keeping your codex as an illegal PDF on your phone, so stop whining and wasting your time.

well, it technically is unless the book notes that you're allowed to make copies for personal use

>may as well ride the wave to 8th if you still can.
This past year has been great for GW. 8th edition isn't going to be a massive rules shake-up.

Fuck you, you dont know me or my friends you friendless loser.

We are the kind of group that does everything together.
We play games together.
We take the bus together.
We go for walks together.
Sometimes we share a bed together and give each other cummies and milkies.
We're all avid Tau players (except that one eldar guy but he's not a real friend) so we even collect armies together!

And then some internet loser comes at me demanding we introduce forge world for no reason.
Fuck
You

>Stop white-knighting for a company run into the ground by shareholders who don't give a fuck about you.

>one side of the arugment says fuck forgeworld they're overpriced garbage
>the other side is white-knighting forgeworld because it adds "variety" to the game

somehow you're calling the side which is flipping off GW and shitting on their business practices white knights.

kek

Yep, you have no idea how it works

Fair use works pretty much the same everywhere. Since it is a UK product. You photocopy it, print the digital copy and be fine.
It would be only illegal if you sell those digital copies or the photocopies.

Hell some places don't even care if the sold copies just cover the copy cost.

Top fucking kek

This is the most surreal 40kg we've had in a while

Can you explain why you hate that all it comes from england?

Holy Requisitioner Breachers with Cawl and the Memento Mortifex to let them armor bane flesh bane monster hunter and sky fire after deepstrike is fucking sex

>Hell some places don't even care if the sold copies just cover the copy cost.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>Yep, you have no idea how it works

You know what is worst. I'm not even sure if he is trolling.

I'm calling the side which is telling me I'm a criminal for downloading a pdf of a codex retarded, because they are.

Alright 40kg, what have you been painting lately?

Yeah well fuck you for being so lucky.

I live in an ethnic neighborhood in a violent, near third world country where people of my race get shot by the police for even looking at them sideways, I'm lucky I'm even allowed to collect 40k at all.
If they found out I pirated books they would castrate me.

And now that trump has been elected it's going to get even worse, fuck I hate Detroit.

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Me neither. Poe's law.

Could very easily be a child. Especially to be so butt devestated about expensive things and piracy.

Don't think Fleshbane is on the list, but that's still nice. If I attach a deepstriking character to one of the Breacher units, can be deepstrike in with them? Cawl can't carry the relic.

What size are Ogryn/Bullgryn bases?

forgeworld

>I'm not sure if the guy claiming to be part of an exclusively Tau-playing cohabiting sex club is trolling

Specially if he doesn't understand copy right laws

And laughs at people explaining that the world is bigger and countries have different laws.

I wouldn't put anything past a Tau player anymore.

My little termagaunts. They looks so cute

I'm an old fart, I've seen a lot of strange things. People going full cultist around a companies product would not even surprise me.

Specially in Veeky Forums related things. I've seen some shit user.

Get your shit together and get out of their senpai. Do well in highschool, get a scholarship or something and then fuck off to a better part of the country. Find work in a place that isn't Michigan in a city that isn't a murder pit.

So is Cawl worth taking to buff a Warlord Titan, or do diminishing returns apply here?

>Implying that was the same idiot

Dude I don't discount the fact that being black in Detroit is fucking awful, but good lord why are you playing the race card in an argument about warhammer?

It's really transparent