A scenario in my mind is that humanity makes it into the stars with genuine human ingenuity and grit while the other races did it via magic/godly intervention. They have "gods" due to magic bs and said gods adhere to the alignment scale.
Pic related, spurred the idea forward.
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The problem with the aliens is that they rely on magic too much, to the point of where EVERYTHING they use is atleast slightly enchanted.
Bump for potential
(Ain't about to see this archived without a reply)
What are Eldar?
>Humanity can use magic, they just never knew how
>Make it to the stars with technology only to find every other race is there with magic
>Begin to learn from the other races
>Things that totally defy physics, but still follow some laws
>Using magic from a scientific perspective gives us a massive edge
>Other races see a spell that creates heat as a way to make food
>We discover that it pulls heat from the surrounding area, work it into cooling loops to increase efficiency
again, helped inspire the idea, just think eldar that got hit with the nerf hammer too hard and a humanity that can compete with them tech wise without the magic crutch.
Ugh, HFY is shit.
Humanity is anti-magic and basically blanks from 40k and the aliens have a collective shit fit when they realize that some stupid animals hard-counter them.
>other races see it as a spell
>humanity sees it as a way to clauterize wounds and torture people by slowly boiling them alive
>Any thing 40k.
No.
Wasn't thinking down that road but sure.
>Reverse Gravity spells are calculated with extreme precision
>Sheer forces slice enemy ships/buildings/people in half
>Same with teleportation spells
>Anti-Magic fields go from being super deadly space mines to a weapon against all other races.
>We can fire large spells out on torpedoes
>The spells then detonate at a preset distance
Son, where do you think you are?
>turn simple light spell into pocket flashbang
>use a spell meant to alter gravity slightly to alter an asteroids course to hit a planet 10 years after casting to get rid of threats without looking like genocidal maniacs
>posts on Veeky Forums and dislikes 40k
>posts on a hfy thread and dislikes 40k
You lost or something?
>The power of runes is determined by how accurately they're drawn
>Factory lines allow for extreme precision
>Instead of a simple light spell carved into a stick, hundreds of thousands of them are carved into a small piece of metal
>The resulting light is known to blind
>Humanity begins to think on larger scales, carving rune patterns into the surface of asteroids using swathes of nanomachines
>Not only does it steer itself towards a planet it also impacts as though it were several times larger due to the increased gravity
>Humanity's planets are now surrounded by innumerable anti magic satellites
>No other race can get close
>Even their gods can't touch the planet
>Our conventional weapons prevent them from using asteroids against us at this point
This.
Return to Reddit, you HFYfags, and stop trying to bring that shit back here.
Don't equate us HFY oldfags to the utter shit that's on reddit.
>the races find humanity and learn of its barbaric past
>try to change them and make the peaceful
>fail to realize that humanity is constantly trying to make newer ways to kill stuff
>give them the means to make runes and tell them that it's a very sacred practice
>humanity nods and starts making factories designed to produce runes
>corners the market on time products that are 100% better and 100% cheaper
>the races and gods don't like this and tell humanity to cease and desist
>humanity: Lolno
>races tell them the guardians of magic will come for them
>humanity: lol k
>guardians of magic come and threaten to destroy humanity if they don't stop the bastardization of magic runes
>humanity: Lolno
>guardians attack earth
>humans MAC cannon them to oblivion
>humanity: eat shit space hippies
HFY oldfags are the worst pieces of shit, even worse than the faggots on Reddit, because you are the dumbfucks that took a bad idea and turned it into something truly terrible.
HFY is something that should have died in infancy, and yet you put a collar on that crippled babe and dragged it through the slums of the world until it died from every worst disease, and now here you are, still pulling that bloated, maggoty corpse along like you think you're doing it a service.
Fuck you, fuck HFY, and one more fuck you for being pretentious about how much of dumbfuck you personally happen to be.
This is why HFY died in the first place.
here's a better version
>the races find humanity and learn of its barbaric past
>try to change them and make the peaceful
>fail to realize that humans are constantly trying to make new ways to protect themselves
>to humans protecting yourself means killing the other guy before he can kill you
>give them the means to make runes and tell them that it's a very sacred practice
>humanity nods and starts making factories designed to produce runes
>corners the market on time products that are 100% better and 100% cheaper
>the races and gods don't like this and tell humanity to cease and desist
>humanity: Lolno
>races tell them the guardians of magic will come for them
>humanity: lol k
>guardians of magic come and threaten to destroy humanity if they don't stop the bastardization of magic runes
>humanity: Lolno
>guardians attack earth
>humans MAC cannon them to oblivion
>humanity: eat shit space hippies
> humanity meets magic users
> we break out the bomb
> the first time we use it, it works and the effects are just as horrific as you would imagine.
> the second third, and fourth times the bomb fails to detonate. We don't know why for years.
> After the war is over, during peace talks, we ask how they stopped the bombs from going off
> "Really? I mean, don't get me wrong. Its a really powerful weapon. But you put all your eggs in one basket. A simple counterspell neutralized the whole thing."
> "But... its not a spell. Its not magic."
> "You split the fundamental building blocks of the universe to draw forth incredible power, and you DON'T think that's magic?"
> "..."
> using swathes of nanomachines
Sure, why don't you just include time travel and dyson sphere while you are at it, since this is apparently post-singularity humanity'. All hail our infallible AI overlords!
Another user, and most people on Veeky Forums dislike 40k. 40k fans are just an obnoxious minority on this board, obnoxious to the point where they created a myth about how they feel like Veeky Forums was made because of them without an ounce of proof.
I'm still working on my grammar, English is complicated and I refuse to go on 2chan. But yes yours is better 100%
I respect your opinion.
Here's your (you), nice try
That's a fair point.
Though from my perspective if humans can use magic, we could easily overcome the issues of power and heat dispersion that come with making smaller and smaller machines.
>most people on Veeky Forums dislike 40k.
Fair enough, but Veeky Forums and 40k are synonymous in the same way as Veeky Forums and DnD are. Everyone has opinions.
>guardians of magic come and threaten to destroy humanity if they don't stop the bastardization of magic runes
>humanity: Lolno
>guardians attack earth
>humans MAC cannon... nothing. Shit, why isn't the MAC cannon working? What happened to the runes?
> "Because were are the guardians of magic, you stupid fucks. Why would you think you could use magic against us?"
> "But thats not f-f-fair"
> "We're taking our runes and going home. You are on probation. In 10,000 years, if you have learned your lesson, you can have magic back."
> "Also, we are imposing economic sanctions against your planet."
> magical races and gods be all 'we told you, bro. We warned you about those guardians of magic.'
You do know that MAC cannons use magnets, right? They are just fuckhuge rail-guns.
What if humanity couldn't use magic and the races either pitied them or saw humans as animals?
>Humans are just really fucking confused why their MAGNETIC ACCELERATOR CANNON is stopped by them taking magic away
>Fuck it, lets just nuke them
How do you think magnets work?
I remember reading a piece of HFY with this same premise, with the difference that humanity knew magic and used it extremely well in biblical times and other races locked humanity into a Sol system wide anti-magic field out of fear, humanity advanced as usual, explored space through technological methods, found the satellites that kept up the antimagic field and disabled, forcing the aliens to show up while humanity very suddenly found what they were actually capable of.
Double fix'd
>the races find humanity and learn of its barbaric past
>try to change them and make the peaceful
>fail to realize that humans are constantly trying to make new ways to protect themselves
>to humans protecting yourself means killing the other guy before he can kill you
>give them the means to make runes and tell them that it's a very sacred practice
>humanity nods and starts making factories designed to produce runes
>corners the market on time products that are 100% better and 100% cheaper
>the races and gods don't like this and tell humanity to cease and desist
>humanity: Lolno
>the Not!Klingons come and threaten to destroy humanity if they don't stop the bastardization of magic runes
>humanity: Lolno
>Not!Klingons attack earth
>humans MAC cannon them to oblivion
>humanity: eat shit space hippies
>Aliens spoke directly to gods and interacted with magic powers.
>All of their scripture and literature stem from direct descriptions of things that actually happened. Their myths all have the moral "Trust and obey out gods, for their wisdom is immortal". Their knowledge of "spirituality" or "symbolism" is just "this shape means 'fireball'".
>Their idea of "art" is very garish, and begins and ends with "pretty to look at".
>Their idea of "weighty" or "significant" only involves how big and flashy its magic effect is, or how much a god approves of it.
>Humans have no magic, and no gods.
>We've developed advanced artistic techniques in order to communicate and evoke thoughts and feelings we'd be otherwise out of touch with.
>We have rich traditions in literature, culture, and philosophy - all of which stem from our early mythologies and the desire to find comfort, reason and humanity in an otherwise silent cosmos.
>This, combined with our sophisticated knowledge of the natural world, differentiates us from all of the dickwaving magically powerful aliens who have no words equivalent to "empirical" or "poetry".
>Some see us as unfathomably mysterious, but extremely wise. Others find us to be sinister, and our arts to be unhealthy distractions at best and unnerving portents at worst. Yet more see us as godless, wishy-washy and "degenerate", too focused on abstract matters to comprehend the concrete salt-of-the-earth enchantments and orizons they make great use of.
Probably not a popular direction for HFY, but one I'd like to see more of. It doesn't matter how many rhyming incantations and diving mandates you have memorized. Having real, ubiquitous magic and gods to answer everything for you means that your mind and spirit will be woefully undeveloped in most other ways.
I remember a different HFY similar to these, except the sol system was an anti-magic field.
>"diving" should be "divine"
I've had a long day.
>Probably not a popular direction for HFY, but one I'd like to see more of.
Agreed. I like the "human smash good" HFY as much as any other, but this is the truly good and interesting stuff.
>Humans are treated with disdain
>Race of Not!Elves takes pity and lobbies for them to be treated somewhat decently
>End up with the scraps left over from the other races
>Planets where magic can't work or that didn't have the resources for spells on it
>Humanity continues like they always have, spreading wherever they can go
>A large war explodes between the gods, dragging their respective races into it
>Due to their planets not being valuable, humans are mostly ignored
>Not!Elves end up asking us for help, after taking several heavy losses
>Humanity arrives in the war with entirely different tactics
>Normally spells are fired off at enemy ships
>Humanity simply has the Not!Elves slap the strongest anti-magic fields possible on their ships and charges the enemy
>As they get close they disable the enemy ship and then board it, fighting them with firearms
>Something something, humanity wins the war
>Not!Elf Waifu, what do?
So you presumed that a railgun, the bargain bin weapon of scifi, would just naturally be enough to deal with the guardians of a reality warping force that even gods have to keep on the good side of?
I literally can't count the number of ways that magic could be used to render a MAC completely powerless or ineffective.
>Humans are treated with disdain
>Race of Not!Elves takes pity and lobbies for them to be treated somewhat decently
>End up with the scraps left over from the other races
>Planets where magic can't work or that didn't have the resources for spells on it
>Humanity continues like they always have, spreading wherever they can go
>A large war explodes between the gods, dragging their respective races into it
>Due to their planets not being valuable, humans are mostly ignored
>Not!Elves end up asking us for help, after taking several heavy losses
>Humanity arrives in the war with entirely different tactics
>Normally spells are fired off at enemy ships
>Humanity simply has the Not!Elves slap the strongest anti-magic fields possible on their ships and charges the enemy
>As they get close they disable the enemy ship and then board it, fighting them with firearms
>Something something, humanity wins the war
>Not!Elves take all credit, they were manipulating humans the whole time
fix'd
So...your such a bitch that you identify as Otherkin or something? I identify as one of the great human war machines, you may refer to me as an Apache Attack Helicopter, this/that pronouns. Feel more comfortable now (you)?
>Not!elf waifu, wat do?
HOMOED
If you don't like it, hide the thread and move on. There is literally nothing forcing you to come in here and trying to ruin others' fun. Doing so is just kind of dickish. It might not always live up to it, but Veeky Forums has always had the ideal of at least TRYING to not be shits to each other. If you don't like this thread, just leave it be. Remember the golden rule of the board. Just be excellent to each other.
Oh she here's an idea
>the magic Aliens rely on magic for everything
>including wars
>whole wars fought with barely sentient golems and magic constructs
>the victors either have more golems or better golems
>suddenly humans
>the races find them and are confused as to how they fight wars as they can't make golems so they assume that humanity is peaceful and try to conquer them and attacks what they think to be a colony
>nb4 it's a military controlled planet
>ships send down golems in waves
>golems defeated with basic tactics (flanking, guerrilla warfare, etc)
>race finds out that humans fight wars with human soldiers and not golems
>humans find this out too
>humans out match the aliens physically
>humans invade civilian planets with little to no resistance because they didn't think this could happen
TL;DR, aliens use magical constructs to fight and use little to no tactics and attempt to fight humans like this and lose horribly
>Reality warping powers
Obviously we just teleport behind them and stab them with our katanas.
Nothing personnel user
Idk man it was the first thing to come to mind
That could be fun. NotElves and other assorted races teleport everywhere. Humans just shoot our asses out from orbit in drop pods and HE missiles.
That would also explain the disdain/pity part. We have to physically travel places. They can just warp across the galaxy.
It boils down to magic vs. science, NotElves! and others are inept at anything that dosen't involve magic while humans are reverse. The NotElves! and co. are close to the gods because of magic while humans have no connection to them because they can't use magic. This could be rendered down to logic vs. creativity, logic being humans who had to work for everything and came out better because of it and theNotElves! and co. get most things handed to them with magic and rely too heavy on magic.
This would be fucking awesome, what kind of races might try to talk to them, does Pun-Pun get pissy at them, or does he try to make friends too?
...
Our gods are dead. Ancient human warriors slew them millenia ago, they were more touble than they were worth.
But what about the not dwarves? Don't they matter too, or do humans have to go on a galactic road trip and "rescue" races on the magic4life fuckers shitlist? Gnolls are made into roman style legions working alongside humans, maybe for belly rubs and/or ear rubs, Dwarves would be the techmasters that man large gun barges or something, what other races would be on a magic gods and as sundries shitlist?
It's more "humans win because aliens rely entirely on a powerful weapon that falls apart against a hard counter"
So they have actual war games while humans do the real thing? Could be fun.
This basically
This is good.
This whole thread is a gold mine of good ideas!
Except these. these add nothing to the brainstorming.
Funny, and a cool concept for a campaign, I'm gonna use it, but not the point of the thread.
What would the gods think of humanity? Would they fight over them like children over a new toy to get them as worshippers? I'd think humanity would have none of that shit. Thoughts?
Maybe Elementals? They could be enslaved to power spells. Humanity has no need to imprison them and thus they get along pretty well.
And, not even going to try and disguise your circlejerking?
Those ideas are "meh" at best, but they must seem like gold to any HFYfag since your standards are so low.
Found it. Here you go.
>humanity finds aliens
>hfyshithappens.jpg
>war shit happens and elemental slaves join humanity
>humanity has no need for them and the elementals just want to be treated like beings and not power sources
>war ends and terms include freeing elementals
>elemental flock to human space to live
>they coexist and elementals power shit exept it's treated like a job and get payed for it
>all ends well
Elemental waifu wat do
>AIR ELEMENTAL BLOW JOBS
>HFY
>bad idea
HFY was supposed to be the opposite of standard SciFi films, with humans being notably smarter and stronger than other races instead of weaker. The original idea was good. What sucked is that it turned into the same shlop that it was supposed to subvert.
If you want a hugbox where your crap ideas are free from being criticized, you should head over to Reddit.
If your idea of fun is repeating tired, dead threads, and to avoid being criticized for regurgitating the same uninspired tripe that cycles through these threads, then it might be time to learn how to have fun with something that actually involves a speck of gray matter.
Being excellent to each other means telling you your shit stinks when you dump it on the ground and tell people to come and take a look at it.
Here, take the (You). I have many to give.
Stop repeating this same stupid shit, you fucking retard.
The standard for SciFi has humans always winning in the end. HFY is not supposed to be the opposite of that, it's hardly supposed to be anything except a loose idea for idiots to wank to.
There's some faggots who go through the "Wah, humans are boring" bullshit, and then they go on about how to do HFY, when all they're doing is making new races, calling them human, and then jerking off to how great they are.
Your idea is equally retarded, because it stems from the kind of person who's only seen the movie Avatar and feels fucking frustrated as shit. If you've actually read enough science fiction, rather than just pretended to while hamfisting anything where humans win under the umbrella of your shit concept without understanding that any decent writer would call HFY a mindless simplification of humanity, you'd have long ago recognized that humans are given premiere status in science fiction. They're either ultimately the strongest, or presented as heroes triumphing over the odds.
Your masturbation does nothing except take the worst parts of science fiction, and replaces any facet of exploration with a foregone conclusion of that humans need to be the best, as if the mysteries of the universe are a dick-measuring contest.
It's pathetic, idiotic, and the stories that result from this ass-backwards creative process have proven to be shit because of how crap your HFY writing prompt is.
Hell, at least the people who are open and honest about how HFY is just a circlejerk for people to shout HUMANITY FUCK YEAH and run head first into walls aren't pretentious about its "purpose."
You know, if you don't like this, no ones forcing you to be here. You can leave.
It would really depend on the story. I'd have it so that each alien race sees as sort of savage and backward, since we have no magic and as such can't contribute much to their societies. Earth itself would be considered like a quaint shithole third-world country.
Their gods would similarly see us as beneath their concern. Some would pity us and offer magical help if they don't need to go out of their way to do so. Others would view us with contempt and take offense at the very thought that we'd try and contact them or their flock races as equals. Some would be apathetic, not minding as we do our thing while they do theirs.
Nonetheless, barring actual moratoria on immigration, I would imagine that each alien race would soon come to find that at least a few humans have come to visit or live on their worlds. We'd do this out of curiosity, or hopes to find a better life with the aliens, despite being an underclass among them. Some would see our technology and natural sciences as having some use. Divine healing spells would no doubt be heavily controlled, but surgery would be open to anyone who knows a human. A race's Fisher King would fall into a depression, so one or two poorer aliens would buy a car to travel in instead of the once-potent magically fast horses and shit they were once able to use. A recidivist criminal who has turned away from their gods' teachings is denied spiritual succor by their priest, so instead turns to a human psychologist for some cognitive-behavioral help or talk therapy (I doubt our psychiatric drugs would be reliable for magical aliens, and I doubt they'd let us conduct clinical trials on their kin). Etc.
Of course, some would see value in our arts and philosophy, but have trouble comprehending them. Different races would appreciate different genres or types, but only on the most basic levels. I'm out of space, but I want to see what others can come up with off of this.
>magic aliens find human
>they observe them for a bit and find out they don't use magic
>decide to uplift them because what's the worst that could happen
>fast forward a few years
>humans are given anti-magic fields
>a race decides that humans are not worthy of space travel and attack colonies
>humans deploy anti magic fields and target ships with focused beams of null
>normally anti-magic dosen't work on ships as they're insulated
>the concentrated beams break through the insulation
>ships just shut down completely
>power, thrusters, shields
>and life support
>humans unwittingly make a WMD
>races collectively lose their shit and scramble to find the specs of the weapon
>as it turns out the weapon emits a kind of radiation that is named "null radiantion" as any race with even a hint of magical connection dies after exposed for a prolonged period
>humans become a new super power of the galaxy.
Ignore him, he'll leave eventually.
Someone write this in story format
God OP comic/pic always triggers me.
It's like the OP has no concept that several thousand things can be as powerful as nuke in the fantasy realm. Including magic.
And from the the art style ins't is that one artist that is always posting Tolkien shit? (I'm unclear if that elf is suppose to be a Tolkien character or just generic elf). Shouldn't he know better?
Agh! Just agh!
Dubs has spoken
Look man, I found the pic, and I thought it looked cool and fits hfy and was somewhat funny, take your complaints elsewhere as we don't really care.
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Locate city: nuke
Also fucking hell I never see the errors until after I post
If you don't like your shit being called shit, then stop spamming it and then bumping your gay threads with half-assed "c'mon everyone! help revive this dessicate corpse!" conversation.
You can always return to Reddit and just console yourself with the same story told again and again about how those wacky, wascally humans won again.
Or you could ignore this thread and stop posting on it, if you don't like it fine, that's your opinion and you can have one just don't tell us that we shouldn't like something because you don't.
I'm telling you in clear terms why HFY is retarded, and you are retarded for trying to spam it here again.
It's a damn shame you're too retarded.
the point of hfy shit is to try a new concept where humans aren't incredibly outmatched my other races and only win by the skin on their teeth. We want new(ish) stuff to work with that's it.
Just ignore him, he'll go away eventually
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You know when a person loses an argument when he starts calling you and your opinion 'retarded'.
It's more "Humans win because they have a more powerful and smarter alien backing them"
I know, but it's just so fun to fuck with trolls
God I love it when arguments devolve into calling each other retarded
Wow, I didn't know you faggots think ideas that were done to death decades before you were even born are suddenly somehow "new."
Really? Trying to sell human not being outmatched by other races as something new when other HFY faggots spend all their time arguing about how the decades old Star Trek and Starship Troopers is HFY?
Fuck off, you retard. It's a dumb writing prompt for idiots who were upset about one occasion in a hundred where humans didn't come out on top to channel their frustrations into.
>this is what retards actually believe
So, that's how you preserve your ego?
>Rune magic designed to create more runes
>Every rune is double the size of the previous
>When the runes overlap, they explode
>Use it to nuke planets
Continuing on my own:
I doubt the nobility or upper classes of the magical races would see much in our arts and cultures outside of finding them an academic curiosity. Those aliens who are disenfranchised or rebellious might come to appreciate human art and philosophy to an extent. They'd identify strongly with "Beggar to Beggar Cried", but not really know why. They'd just root for that poor beggar who's on his way to get those things he wants, or think "yes, this is like me" and want to learn more about the specific human the poem was clearly written about ("My family is older than the stars. Maybe he'll be distantly related to me!", they'd think). Some would listen to some Kanye's songs, approving of what is clearly his praise for immense power ("See, there's more to these humans than most say. Like us, they have an innate understanding of why magic like ours is important, even though they've never seen it in the entirety of their history. It's astonishing, really!"). They'd like our painters' still-lives or self-portraits ("Ah, yes. Careful replications of the details found in everyday objects. If only my apprentice rune-painters spent such effort practicing control and precision") or they'd like the more abstract stuff ("These splatters are pretty. They remind me of the virulent spellfire in the sky above the Battle of N'aeriti."). When not hyperfocusing on magic, they'd probably seek to emulate or teach the behavior of fictional characters ("Pay attention to this Ishmael fellow. He's very good-natured and has nothing but respect for his betters. If he'd remained in his role as a schoolteacher, he never would have risked drowning in such a horrible calamity" or "This Javert is a model warrior. He makes good use of every resource and never shirks his duty. I'll have a set of claw rings like women's fingernails commissioned when I get back off duty and can wear civilian dress.").
More to come about the detractors who dislike us.
Well that's what happened, yes? He ran out of ideas and switched to "you and your opinion is retarded"
>the point of hfy shit is to try a new concept
It's not new. Off the top of my head, fucking Star Trek meets this handily. Starship Troopers (the book) had humans winning the war against the Arachnids. Humans dominate the Star Wars galaxy in all its eras.
The granddaddy of all science fiction, John Carter of Mars, is entirely centered on how superior a human is compared to several different races of Martians.
Humans appear to be the dominant force in The Fifth Element.
Even in Avatar, the piece of shit movie that more or less started HFY, there's no question that humans are superior in every measurable way to na'vi when both species are taken as a whole. It required a lot of special circumstances, including limited numbers, an innately hostile world, and HELP FROM HUMANS, for the na'vi to beat humans.
You're complaining about a problem that never existed.
A fairly decent knowledge of biology and chemistry makes me particularly hate the whole "we breath poison! We drink a corrosive liquid!" thing that pops up. If there's alien life out there, it will almost certainly be carbon-based, and therefore breathe oxygen and drink water just like we do. That's just a chemical fact.
HFY is an okay writing prompt, but it should be focused on genuine human strengths, and it shouldn't need to turn us into Goddamn supersoldiers compared to everyone else, as though other alien races won't have their own shit to deal with on their own homeworlds.
PDF related. This is actually good HFY.
runes that make runes to explode sounds dangerously stupid, but damn me do hell if it isn't hilarious
>explained why something is retarded
>"stop calling it retarded because you don't like it"
>it's retarded because of these reasons, you retard
>"ha! you called me a retard! You lose, because those are the rules!"
Sorry, but you're still a retard