Warhammer 40,000 General

>y point is that at S8, Tau can't instant-kill T5 models and have relative trouble dealing with AV14.

You dont have to, Tau has so much firepower you can glance AV14 to death and drown T5 in wounds considering your basic gun is S5. Besides melta suits and piranhas can eat AV14 after they deep strike.

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This thread needs BINGO!

there's some flash on the left foot

>Every post literally says "I don't know the BA codex, this is just general advice"
Why are you surprised that I don't know what BA has? I've never even seen a BA player. My locals have Eldar, Nids, IG, DE, Harlequins, and one Space Marine player who literally only fields fucking Dreadnoughts.

Did I say Tau were bad or underpowered?
Did I say BA are on equal footing or better than Tau?
Am I defending the Tau codex or claiming that their units are okay?

I did none of that. A BA player asked for help and, as a Tau player, I'm telling him what I feel are my codex's biggest weaknesses so he has an idea of what he can do against it.

Why the fuck are you responding to a discussion about BA with non-BA advice?

Your advice is fucking terrible anyways because you don't know shit about the game other than Tau and think Tau power levels are the norm.

Herp derp one zero I got an idea, my beepboops! What if we, like, /burn/ space? No hold up, wait, I mean it. Like, them sneaky fishes just fly through space right? They don't know warp. So like, what if we just set their road on fire?

Fuckin right? Ok! Lets do it! Fuck yeah, that was sweet.

Oh hey, look, two transmissions from Beli-motherboard fucking saurus rex! It says, "News from the front: We done fucked up. that necron bitch must have known I'm a fucking hack cause the moment I let him turn that shit on Celestine fell out of the sky and CADIA FUCKING BLEW UP. PS: Don't use the space burning weapon, cause it'd be bad."
Ohhhh fuck oh fuck oh shit. Hold up, calm down. Cycle your processor. Maybe the next one is good news. "I SAID 'DON'T' USE THE SPACE FIRE OMNIDAMNIT! NOW THE FUCKING DAEMONS ARE JUST WARPING IN SPACE FIRE EVERYWHERE! MOTHERBOARD FUCKING DAMNIT, YOU BEEPBOOPS HAD ONE JOB."

I dig it, but you've gotta neaten up those highlights.

Your advice was to take AV14 against an army that has more melta slots than SoB.

I know, I have very shaky hands and it's very difficult for me but I'll keep trying. And thanks.

>tfw after an evening of gaming at the local GW with FW models that no one can tell are fakes

lovin' every laff

>sentient daemon fire warp storms

welp i need to go start a metal band so i can copyright this name

>telling him what I feel are my codex's biggest weaknesses

Land raiders and big critters aint Tau weaknesses, your army can deal with almost anything most armies can throw at it.

Angle your brush and go back over it with the base color to neaten it up.

>Why the fuck are you responding to a discussion about BA with non-BA advice?
Because the question wasn't
>How do I play BA
it was
>How do I beat Tau
which I tried my best to answer.

>Your advice is fucking terrible anyways because you don't know shit about the game other than Tau
Was any of my advice wrong? Did I say something that was factually incorrect?

>and think Tau power levels are the norm.
Where do I state this? If anything, the post you're quoting indicates the opposite. I know you have a (justifiable) hateboner for Tau, but no one here is discussing whether or not Tau are one of the stronger factions in the game. We're discussing what the faction's weaknesses are.

Riptides don't have melta unless they take Fusion secondaries, but even then I don't think a RIptide's going to be within 9" unless it has to.
You're right about Crisis Suits having an easy time of that, but AV14 was a singular piece of advice out of a relatively long list of Tau facts.

Nice going there fuckplug. Your plan of "lets burn the space" turned into giant, sentient and demonically possesed space-firestorm. Very nice. Can you just do something useful? Go watch over that most important bastion-world in the galaxy and please, try not to blow it up will you?

>more melta than SoB

C'mon now. Let's not get silly, here.

I washed the basecoat with nuln oil before highlighting so it's going to be a pain to get the right shade. In fact the highlight on the red side literally is the base color.

That's just the talon on the heel at an odd angle

When are Orks going to get a fucking update so I can get back into this shitty moneysink of a game?

Remember that Farsight Enclaves has 6 troop slots per CAD and every single troop can take two fusion guns.

>>How do I beat Tau

AS BA YOU STUPID FAGGOT HOLY SHIT

>Where do I state this? If anything, the post you're quoting indicates the opposite.

>our firepower ONLY CAPS OUT AT S8 OH WOE IS US RIPTIDES ARE SO EASY TO KILL

> Second time playing Kill Team: HoR
> Second time playing Warhammer, period
> Pick Dark Angels, roll with 250 points of Scouts and Veterans
> Split into 3 squads of 5
> Enemy goes with Craftworld Eldar, decides to go with 3 Shining Spears and the rest a mix of Howling Banshees and Dire Avengers
> We agree that objective is to reach 3 out of 5 wounded warriors and either kill them (Eldar) or rescue them (Me)

> Eldar wins initiative, all-out sprints towards me with everything he's got
> By the end of t1 movement phase, he's within spitting distance of my Veterans with his Shining Spears
> Banshees and Avengers are moving around to the south to flank my scouts
> Decide to target his Shining Spears with heavy weapon in the Veteran squad
> Snake eyes
> Veterans quickly get surrounded by Howling Banshees

> Scouts wreck his Eldar melee specialists with Overwatch and Grim Resolve
> Scouts succeed on every Armour Save. Every. Fucking. One.
> Scouts annihilate his Exarch with massed bolter fire
> Scouts pick off his Shining Spears with a few precise shots from 20" away
> Scouts vault through cover like gazelles and rescue the wounded warriors by the end of t3
> At that point, 3/4s of his army has been wiped out, and all he's managed to do is lock my Veterans in assault and pick off a couple with his shuriken catapults
> mfw a bunch of interns did what hardened veterans couldn't

Is every game of 40k this exciting?

Here's what 1850 points of Tau meltas in a CAD look like, for a total of 66 Fusion Blasters.

>implying

What, do you expect people to confront you if they know they're fake? How do you know everyone just didn't say anything? For all we know you could have walked in there with such garbage paintjobs and shitty conversions, everyone in the store knew you were some poorfag who was experimenting with cheap recasts, but was just too polite to say anything. And trust me, this has happened, just lurk any WIP thread long enough.

Dat feel when 95% of chinacast models are indistinguishable from real forgeworld. But nobody can actually tell the difference.

> Mfw someone asks if any of my shit is from china, and I make them guess which models are from china
> Mfw they immediately try to guess that the actual legit models in my collection are the chinacasts

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OVER SIXTY FUSION BLASTERS!

You know the sad thing is this isn't meant to be like a serious list. And yet it is very close to what an actual tau list could look like. Swap about half those fusion blasters for plasmas and maybe one or two flamers per squad and you've actually got a powerful list against basically anything.

And Tau players still don't get it.

>mfw recastfags are so pathetic they have to make up fake stories like this to wank over and feel good about themselves

but y

These days you can pretty much just say any painted army is fake, because nobody paints their fucking armies and you'd spot recasts immediately unpainted so only recasters paint their shit

>b-b-b-b-but they don't have any markerliiiiiights

I love when those dumbasses think Riptide Wings need markerlights or that Riptides have no offensive firepower and are just punching bags.

>Order a hammerhead from the chinaman
>Half the price of actual GW plastic including delivery
Worst model I've ever seen in my life, so much fucking slippage, bubbles everywhere, even at half price it wasn't worth it.

>>we can't kill other OP things, so just take Riptides and Wraithknights to beat us in your Blood Angels army!
yes? ally in a knight

monstrous creatures are something that needs to be taken aware of in the modern game, I don't like it, but this ain't third ed

t. DARK ELDAR fucking player

Uhhhh... hi?
I didn't mention riptides or makrerlights, got the wrong response?

>AS BA YOU STUPID FAGGOT HOLY SHIT
And my very first post said
>Tau player here. I've never even glanced at the BA codex, nor do I even know anyone who plays it.
>Here are tips for beating Tau
Should I apologize for trying to give generic advice? Was it wrong of me to list the main weaknesses the faction has? And again, did I say anything that was factually wrong or incorrect?

Someone asked for help, I gave a list of weaknesses he could apply, and this apparently triggered you even though we agree on how strong the Tau codex is.

>our firepower ONLY CAPS OUT AT S8 OH WOE IS US RIPTIDES ARE SO EASY TO KILL
Did I say this makes Tau weak? Did I say Riptides are easy to kill?

The fact that Tau weapons almost all cap at around S8, and that their only source of D weapons comes from LoW options, IS a good thing to know when building a list to deal with them. I'm sorry your BA codex can't take advantage of that like most other codexes can, but I prefaced all my posts with
>I don't know what the BA codex has, this is just generic anti-Tau advice
so I don't know how you can genuinely hold that against me.

Aside from "girls can't be space marines", is a chapter based off the Celts, led by Boudicca IN SPAAAACE a shitty idea?

> Mfw chinafags actually care about the hobbyist side of 40k
> Because well-painted models hide the minor defects

Surge you, fleshy. I've been reassigned to Cyraxus. They want me to council some of the old Automata. At least I'll never have to see those stupid fucking Tau ever again.

>Knights
>against Tau
>whining about Blood Angels by mentioning Knights

Kill yourself, you don't even deserve your 5E plastic update.

storm wardens

Yes. Boudica is a meme.

The Storm Wardens are a cool chapter though.

female inquistor hanging out with marines is alright

It says Independent Characters pass Look Out, Sir tests on a 2+. Does that mean that character can take a hit for another model on a 2+ or another model can take the hit for the character at 2+?

This is why I tell people not to buy recasts of plastic models. If you can't afford FW, then fine, whatever, but all these morons buying recasts of plastic is stupid as fuck, especially when most plastic models are very cheap on eBay new on sprue. I guess I can understand Knight and other big model spam players doing it though since they're like $100 a pop and they need a bunch of them.

But just yesterday I saw some dumb nigger talking about buying recast Death Company and not knowing the difference between plastic and resin because he kept thinking I was talking about FW when I called him out for buying recast PLASTIC.

well if you're not going to try and adapt, why are you entering tourneys and playing competitive matches with a low-tier army?

52 points buys the tau player model with two meltas and he can get nine of them per squad.

AND they're jetpack models

AND they're 3+

AND they're t4

AND they're multiwound

AND he can put more stuff on top of those models

He can do the same thing with flamers for even cheaper.

Sorry but Tau out sister the sisters easily.

Those aren't fucking weaknesses, which is why it's shit advice and you should stop fucking posting.

Here's a weakness you can exploit: OUR GUNS ONLY GO UP TO S8!!!

No, you dipshit, that's not a weakness. Other armies can barely get more than a couple S8 guns in their entire fucking army without making weird builds.

Another model. Characters are the ones who take LoS tests.

look out, sir! pushes wounds off of the character onto the chaff. he cant take a hit for someone else

This isn't even tourney discussion you dipshit.

Ah alright. Thanks

>barges into a conversation midway through without even knowing what it's about
>thinks Taufags don't go full WAAC at even the most casual games
>doesn't even know this conversation is about a casual BA player trying to beat obnoxious Taufags in a casual setting

Kys faggot like seriously

Not the guy you're replying to, but why are you so upset about something that only matters in competitive settings? Are you such an autist you don't know how to request a casual game with friends?

>codex: Judge Dredd

Does anyone know the exact height of a Space Marine? So far I've seen people say that they're 7/8/9 feet tall.

Not that user, but I'm a Taufag and my Blood Angels buddy keeps taunting me, saying that my army can't stand against the light of Sanguinus.

Our first match is next week and I don't want to table him.

I just watched the new dawn of war 3 trailer, I did not know that imperial knights could deep strike!

>Those aren't fucking weaknesses, which is why it's shit advice and you should stop fucking posting.
They're not? Here, I took a screenshot of my original post. This is all shit advice? None of this is applicable? Nothing here is useful?

>Here's a weakness you can exploit: OUR GUNS ONLY GO UP TO S8!!!
Yes, not being able to instant-kill T5 units and having to rely on Crisis Suit meltas to hit AV14 are things you can take into consideration. I don't know what that Tau player's specific list is, but if he's fielding multiple Riptides, Stealth Suits (OSC?), at least one Ghostkeel, and can afford drones on his Command squad on top of that, he probably doesn't have too many Crisis Suits in the first place.

Again, for some unexplainable reason, you're attacking me as if I'm saying a S8 cap is a WEAKNESS that makes Tau WEAK, when I'm just saying it's something you can take into consideration. You're purposely misinterpreting my post because you get triggered by a book detailing rules for plastic figurines.

Even if, hypothetically speaking, S8 didn't matter and you're genuinely saying that players shouldn't consider the Strength-average of a codex, that doesn't magically invalidate everything else that was posted, and it absolutely doesn't warrant this sort of buttblasted reaction to general advice on how to beat Tau coming from someone who AGREES with you.

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varies but the average is about 7-7.5

in canon its ~7ft.
people talking 9 ft is just fan wank.
Though there are some 10ft marines they're mutants of one of the cursed founding chapters (black dragons).

i'm pleased to see guardsmen
too bad they probably won't be playable
being an IG player is suffering

the imperium can deepstrike whole churchs if it wants to.

IG always goes playable in the second expansion. DoW3.1 is probably going to add them and Chaos in, if Chaos isn't saved for 3.2.

At this point I'm just hoping we get Dark Crusade/Soulstorm-level of factions. DoW was a disappointment, even if they had Nids.

I can hit 68 meltas in that list, and can make that number even higher with combi. I was just memeing 60 multi meltas

Im so willing to bet that Cyraxus will be such a fucking shitfanfest.

Has any Thousand Sons player gone up against Tau here, or vice versa?
That would be a game I'd like to see.

I loved Dow 1 and 2, I really hope they don't fuck this one up

How do Orks fare against Tau? A buddy of mine and I are getting back into the game, and those are his main armies. He also plays Space Wolves, but I refuse to go up against them with greenskinz.

>the Tau player shoots 20 T4 3+ models off the table on T1

What a game

Okay, thanks guys.

Badly.

poorly
very poorly
orkz got hit hard with a nerf bat for no particular reason

What do I do?

Should I just go ahead and start that Necron army I've been planning

Canonically 7ft.

play anyway, just request your friend to not be a fucking cheesemonger

just ask your tau buddy to lube you up before the rape show

Thoughts?

This is literally the first list I've ever made and I have only a middling idea of what I'm doing. I just need a final list so I can order and paint what I need and start actually playing the damn game.

>This isn't even tourney discussion you dipshit.
so why are we getting so butthurt about people bringing stronger armies if it's a casual game

you can TALK TO YOUR OPPONENT BEFOREHAND and ask what kind of match you want to have, if you're not bringing a competitive force and just want to have a fun match SAY THAT TO YOUR OPPONENT and if that's not the kind of game he wants to play, simply find someone else to play

the amount of people who can't cope with simple fucking social situations is mindblowing

What will be the stormcast eternals of the 40k reboot?

>40k reboot
stop this meme

Oh, and for those who don't know, the Hunter Cadre rules are a 12 inch Supporting Fire (Units within range of an assaulted target can overwatch) and the ability to shoot after running/flatout.

I played against a thousand sons player and he could reroll everything in the psychic phase. Huge pain in the balls but I did streamroll him since he 20 units in a 1500 point game and I just pretty much pelted him to death by turn 4

I read the first book of "The Beast Arises" series and while the characters and action were great. I couldnt help but feel like it was like playing a game that gives you blue balls. Is it worth reading the other books or should I just go ahead and drop it? I mean the introduction of the orks was pretty cool and it is interesting to see what is going to happen from there but its like 12 books...

>mfw deep striking 2 great unclean ones into a tau gunline

I love watching the blueberries panic

Vectored Retro-Thrusters aren't as good as they sound. Same with Shield Generators.

You'll have a harder time against vehicles without Fusion Blasters, but Ion can deal with it fine.

There's no reason to have two 10-model squads of Fire Warriors. Your Fireblade's squad should obviously be more full for the Volley Fire, but you can split one of those into two five-model squads. Having two smaller squads means you can fire at two separate targets, move to two separate points, and your opponent will have to waste at least two shots to wipe it.

Drones are very bad units if they're not attached to a Drone Controller or if you're not taking a Drone-Net formation, but the latter is too expensive for a 1000-point game. Tetras, Pathfinders, or a Sniper Drone squad should be a better choice.

If you do stick with the drones, remove one of the squads from this list and make a Hunter Contingent instead, using the Drone Network to fulfill your Auxiliary requirement. With the Contingent, you can boost your BS by 1 with coordinated fire and better capitalize on your Markerlights.

>hur dur it's okay if the army is strong since it's a tournament it's not like this is a casual setting
>HUR DUR WHY ARE YOU GETTING BUTTHURT ABOUT STRONGER ARMIES IN A CASUAL GAME

Are you fucking retarded? Which is it?

delet this or i delet you

Sort of like how you were too retarded to know what the conversation was about? Why are you still talking? The fucking irony lost on all these morons.

You are a faggot