>tfw I2 meme has faster initiatiative than da Orks Oh the irony.
Tyler Hernandez
Not enough spikes for that. Just a very stylized Chaplain.
Xavier Cook
Fuck 2 initiative, what kind of "close combat" army has 3 strength? ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC.
Chase Sanchez
ORKS IS BEST!!!!!!!
Gavin Davis
>Veeky Forums what happens if a squad of FMC's needs to make a grounding test? Does only one get grounded, or the entire squad? Or do they take the grounding test and die instantly since the rest of the squad is swooping?
Who gives a shit, you stupid nigger? There's no FMC squadrons in the game.
Christian Lee
It has a sword so it's definitely not a chaplain and look at that spawn mask, definitely corrupted.
Easton Diaz
I have Death Masque and Warp Spiders, what else would be good to flesh out a strong Eldar army?
Oliver Jenkins
Magnus, Magnus, can't you see Wolf and tau need to hang from trees
Kayden Young
Caplains don't need to use their Crozius. They can take other weaponry, just like any other high ranking Marine. Also has the bone toes on the feet like the Terminator Chaplain has.
Ryder Reyes
Reposting this from the last thread since I didnt get any replies:
So from lurking around and playing some kill team at my local store I know the new rules are coming out for Eighth Edition.
I've played two games of Seventh with my friends Dark Angels and I enjoy Kill Team.
Usually I borrow teams from my friends or the other regulars that are all good people.
I want to start collecting Dark Eldar as I like fast armies and I understand they arent doing too hot right now but am I safe with buying models or do some go obsolete with the change of core rules?
So far I have 5 Mandrakes to try my hand at painting and making my own Kill-Team but the shop's owner said he would sell me the Start Collecting box and two boxes of Reavers for $110USD which is a pretty nice discount compared to Games Workshop Prices.
Not sure if I will pick up the codex until the new edition but so many models should take me forever to paint.
Ryder Mitchell
Thoughts on using an Imperial Knight to shore up the weaknesses of a Grey Knight list? (Weak against vehicles and blobs)
Ian Kelly
Gun
Ethan Jones
Yes there are.
Aiden Allen
On a scale of 1 to 10.
Does this look like a 6?
Charles Stewart
The Emperor only hears devotion, not excuses, heretic.
Brody Bell
Model count my dude
Grayson Russell
A friend of my boyfriend also fudges the dice. We let him get away with it because he doesn't really have an army outside of a few Tyranids, but it's always funny that he thinks he's being sneaky throwing the dice into the buildings and such so we can't see. Especially because other people are occasionally standing behind him watching.
Also, I asked last thread but no one responded. How do DKoK play differently than normal Guard? Or is it mostly just a model change?
Landon Taylor
If I mixed Guardian and Kabalite bits would that pass for counts-as-Corsairs? I really hate the FW Corsair kits.
Parker Jenkins
Also that. But I like low model counts.
Makes it easier for the quintessential /Your Dudes/ experience
Ayden Morris
Help me decide, what do I do next?
World Eaters, or Skitarii?
Elijah Bailey
>take knight >its blows up turn one >every fucking time loving every laugh Start collecting box is ok, you always will need warriors and raider, bikes will probably be even more meh. Also box comes with formation.
Kevin Powell
I wish renegades had some models that didn't look just ruined and dusty. I get that they're supposed to be the 'bad guys' but that doesn't mean everything needs to look bad. Like, shouldn't they look like normal Guard for the most part? It's not like their equipment just vanished.
Hunter Perez
Save your money and buy 3 knights, then run them with a Librarius conclave or Psykana division with Commissars.
John Ortiz
Shit, is it that much of a distraction carnifex?
I guess it should be obvious, then
Jonathan Martinez
Well, what do you want to play?
They're pretty much different ends of the spectrum.
Hudson Bell
Personally I run mine under Bloody Handed Tyrant as blood pact and use DKK models then shave off any imperial markings and place the tiny khorne symbols from the etched brass sheet on their helmets.
Jose Green
Also, their stat lines are baseline lower than cultists'. There's a reason they look so scruffy.
Brody Lewis
The infantry is basically fearless against shooting, and can hold out alittle better as a tarpit. Deathriders are actual worthwhile rough riders. And then tons and tons of artillery.
Atleast for the siege list, i have no experience using the assault brigade list.
Nathaniel Fisher
Krieg stubborn platoons with fnp ws4, artillery in heavy support and elite, no transport Guard anything you want
Nicholas Wright
>bikes will probably be even more meh Could you elaborate?
I was really hoping to have a more jetbike heavy army as painting the Radiers seems like a nightmare and they aren't my favorite models.
My friends are playing:
Dark Angels (Mostly "Greenwing" Tacticals and Devastators with some "Ravenwing" squads supporting them with bikes and speeders.)
Orks (With well over twenty bikers and Meganobs in their Battlewagons)
Imperial Fists which is really similar to what the Dark Angels run only with Centurians instead of the landspeeders.
Nurgle Daemons/CSM (mostly daemons but again rocking bikes)
There are other players but the above are the people I will mostly be playing with and if they arent playing kill-team they stick at 2000pts.
The only armies I havent seen at the store are the two Eldar factions and Tyranids.
My friend has the Eldar half of Death Masque he was going to sell me for $75 but I told him I would wait and see and he isnt in a rush to sell them.
Liam Cooper
Reaver jetbikes are the best unit in a pure Dark Eldar army.
Joseph Wilson
Back in 4th ed Chaplains, at least BT chaplains, could take any power weapon to count as their Crozius so you could have one that used an Axe as their badge of office. It didnt matter since they were all "power weapons".
Carter Williams
How long until based Duncan delivers me from suffering? I'm too scared to paint guilliman on my own.
Alexander Harris
That's because the codex was out of date and released before power weapons were divided by type. The fluff since day 1 however is that a chaplain always has a Crozius and a Crozius is some sort of mace.
Camden Brooks
I love the berserker aspect of World Eaters and their close combat prowess, but I love the theme of Skitarii and their Cyberpunk feel to them. I can't decide
Christopher Phillips
Thoughts on Custodes inc to 40k?
Love the models, and they're pretty cool in general, but it feels like they'll get most of the same strengths and weaknesses of grey knighs (sans psychic stuff and daemon hating), just turned up to eleven
Anthony Phillips
Furious Charge
....ass
Colton Walker
Reavers literally the worst bikes in game. Bikes were buffed hard in 6ed, and will be probably nerfed in 8ed. One knight pretty useless. Only when there 3+ of them, they become serious threat. If you survive first turn, maulerfields, termies and dreds will shit on you in melee. Even fucking tac squad with fist is threat.
Eli Howard
World Eaters are far easier to paint but older models and you want FW berzerkers rather than plastic ones.
Skitarii are awesome but hard to paint.
Tyler Roberts
So strength 3.
Ayden Bell
How should I equip Boyz?
Charles Stewart
With guns. Since orks aren't a cc army.
Lincoln Mitchell
Make your own Khornate warband with some Dark Mechanicus bits and kitbashes?
Dark Future Gaming has a stunner, just Google 'Dark Mechanicus'
Camden Parker
Yeah world Eaters are more tipping the scale for what I want to do. If I were to start them, what should I buy first?
Brayden Gonzalez
Dammit, why can't the Dark Mechanicus get their own rules?
Angel Torres
>Furious Charge Blood Angels have Furious Charge *and* a Strength above 3 :^D
Brayden Stewart
There's Dark Mechanicum stuff coming for Horus Heresy, at least.
Cooper Hughes
They do have rules.
in 30k. Use those.
Xavier Rogers
Just speculation here, but maybe this whole Cawl&Girlyman fun time on mars thing is actually something to deal with the spread of the warp? I mean that's what the pylons were for right? And the eye of terror needs to be stopped, it's not enough to just get bigger marines.
Jayden Jackson
I play CSM and have tried for a long time to play a world eaters list. As in classic world eaters (zerks+kharn) While the new formations are good, you're still bringing a knife to a gunfight. And in the end, not THAT big of a knife, especially if you stick to a no psyker khornate doctrine. So either go for KDK, and accept that you won't probably be playing a zerkers list ever, or wait for 8E to see if melee gets some kind of buff. (if you want to see what I mean try the world eaters from Traitor legions, double formation kharn+decurion with some spawn. Then run it against any generic tau gunline with supporting fire and markerlights shenanigans. Laughable.)
Jaxson Ramirez
Sisters of Silence are the real breadwinners from the Prospero kit.
Josiah Myers
All-or-nothing deathstars.
Josiah Hernandez
Deodar are rarely updated, 1.0 codex was from release to 2010, the 3.0 codex came out in 2014. The only real update in rumors is that all Eldar will be merged into one book in 8e with the force org charts allowing you to take different sub-factions...and save paper/bookshelf space.
I will remind you this faction requires you to know your stuff just to play adequately.
As far as what to start with: two boxes of kabellites, two venoms, one raider, and one box of reavers. When making label liters you can cut up the shredder and blaster pistol to make an extra blaster.
From the above you should have two squads in venoms, one squad in a raider, and three jet bikes. This is a good and vanilla starter 500pt army that isn't too hard to figure out how to use and the units will see use a lot of use in larger points games.
From that core...just experiment and come up with things while playing around with the modeling.
Jonathan Lewis
I dunno. Grab the CSM Codex and Traitor Legions, then write up a list. Can't go wrong with basic CSM though.
Chase Gutierrez
Lass.
Ryder Baker
I think I'd rather run a chaos warband for world Eaters since basic marines have furious charge, rage, fearless and adamantium will
Christian Foster
Imperial Armour 13 because CSM are shit without FW stuff.
Angel Perry
The models that FW made for Renegades were meant to represent an ill-equipped militia force. You can totally use more normal guardsmen units with some head-swaps. I actually use Tempestus models with minimal modifications for my Veteran grenadier troops.
Liam Nelson
I'm also going to second the start collecting box. From that all you'll need will be an extra set. of kabellites or wyches if you feel adventurous/need more difficulty, and some venoms to make a 500pt starter.
Owen Adams
A noose to hang yourself
Wyatt Rivera
>Another bro who uses Bloody Handed Reaver My n word.
Gabriel Roberts
Um. How?
Nolan Moore
>Making gun models wow nobody's ever done that before. Come back when you've graduated to knives :^)
Austin Long
Welcome to Veeky Forums, newfriend! Sometimes we say nigger here!
Mason Watson
I didn't make it, I just found it on google.
Benjamin Morris
I'm hearing a lot a about renegades... Are they any good?
Brody Perry
Shootas are Assault 2 S4 for 1 point each, so they don't seem that bad. Gain a shooting attack in return for a melee attack. I dunno though, 18 versus 36 attacks on the charge with WS4 versus BS2 is something to consider.
Brayden Brooks
Given the Ynnead-Aelf climate going on, is it a silly idea to start a Slaaneshii Daemon army?
Luke Barnes
>is a consistent tournament winner good?
Jaxon Mitchell
I'll give you one hint as a friend. The Realspace Raider detachment's real bonus isn't the shitty inferior cover save you get. It's the fact that you can take 6 FA units. If you're not doing that then just take a CAD instead and enjoy fast obsec skimmers. Remember, you're not getting stealth, you're just getting a 6+ or 5+ cover save that doesn't stack with jinking. Your venom already has 5+ invuln so that's wasted. Your reavers can jink for 3+ at any time and they're not really shooting units anyway. Your kabalite warrior raiders are the only thing really getting the advantage, and even then it's only for one turn and is still slightly inferior to jinking. You're giving up Obsec so you can have your raiders get one turn of full BS shooting from your raiders.
Caleb Barnes
>3pt infantry that respawn on a 2+ and enter Ongoing Reserves with Outflank > Quad Mortars as Troops and Earthshakers as Elites
Yes
Adrian Williams
>tournament
but thats a forgeworld army
Camden Gonzalez
>trying this hard to fit in
Ayden Parker
What the fuck. How do I start Renegades?
Luke Turner
>using google image search wow nobody's ever done that before. Come back when you've graduated to making gun models :^)
Camden Morales
Which book are they in?
With FW pulling the majority of the books it's a nightmare to try and build their armies.
Imperial Armour 13, there was an older list but it's no longer legal.
And a lot of FW resin.
Keep in mind the artillery as troops and elites thing is no longer legal and doing it meant you didn't get aforementioned reserves on dead units.
Lucas Scott
pretty sure my mega nobs are strength 9 on the charge
...ass
Parker Anderson
What units would you use in a solid 2000pt Dark Eldar list?
>Bikes were buffed hard in 6ed, and will be probably nerfed in 8ed.
Well damn. I may need to rechoose my army then...
Matthew Turner
I'm a sad person.
Evan Lee
>I have an expensive CC unit in elites
So do IG, what's your point?
Jayden Allen
Why are they no longer legal?
Nathan Gonzalez
Not him but I would start with two CADs with 4 units of reavers, 2 Razorwings, 4 troops in raiders, 2 blasterborn and go from there.
Connor Martinez
>What units would you use in a solid 2000pt Dark Eldar list?
Not him but have you even looked for yourself? At the very least check 1d4chan for tactics.
Andrew Harris
The older list is still legal, and it is in fact the one with all the broken shit in it. Siege of Vraks, 2nd ed.
Nathaniel Collins
>tfw your favorite unit is crap Are there any ways to make Terminator lists viable as Blood Angels? We have the "charge out of Deep Strike or Shoot twice" formation, but charging straight out of Deep Strike feels a tad cheesy to me. Any other ways to make them half decent? I don't want to be a dick - I just want to have a chance.
>my Elites choices are just as good as your Scouts! Take that! Duly noted, shitposter-san.
Julian Jones
Oh sorry, my mistake. My local league just outlawed it based on the fact they felt the updated version of the list superseded it. As you were.
Andrew Howard
Terminators aren't good enough to make you feel bad about using the one formation they're good in.
Caleb Cruz
Only our ork player uses a flyer unless the Daemon Prince(s) count. So I could probably only bring 1 Razorwing.
Blasterborn are just Kabalite Trueborn with blasters? (I am guessing)
I like the Trueborn and I wanted to use Venoms more than Raiders so they will definetly find a place.
>Not him but have you even looked for yourself?
Not many people seem to bring pure Dark Eldar to tournament (though I guess I need to be open to Harlequins at 2000pts).
>At the very least check 1d4chan for tactics.
I was specifically told to avoice the tactics on 1d4chan because:
"It is just whichever ass hole that wants to spend the most time on the site's opinion"
Ive used it for fluff though.
Grayson Lee
Take the core formation that let's you deep strike first turn but not charge. Take the scout formation with teleport beacons as auxiliary. Your entire army will be terminators though. Very likely that you will end up with your whole army wherever you want them on the board turn 1, so if they survive the enemy's turn, then turn 2 will be a massive shitfight.
Dylan Perry
Yes blasterborn are trueborn with all blasters, you can put an archon with a Webway portal with them as a very expensive, but very effective drop pod if you want. You can mix and match venoms and raiders to your taste really. I personally prefer raiders for 3+ jinking since I mostly use them to capture objectives rather than shooting but both vehicles are great.