/STG/ - Star Trek General

Nah their doctrine is everyone fires at the same time, so what we're seeing here is a momentary pause whilst everyone charges back up.

They like to keep it nice and organised like that.

Players of Star Trek RPGs whatever they may be: What new uses have YOU invented for the deflector dish?

Our GM wanted to teach us a lesson, so when we tried to disable a cargo ship with a tachyon beam we accidentally created a subspace tear. Turns out the entire deflector array had magically become misaligned.

So naturally we kept it as it was and went around destroying klingon cruisers by letting subspace devour them. We eventually went full pirate and decided to demandtribute from all worlds that we passed.

The lesson is, you can take the players out of Rogue Trader but you can't take the rogue trader out of the players.

>The lesson is, you can take the players out of Rogue Trader but you can't take the rogue trader out of the players.

I wonder what faction in Star Trek would be best for a legit Rogue Trader-esque experience. My gut instinct is to say Ferengi but I feel like the relentless quest for profit is only half the package.

The extensive Mudd family/clan

A Romulan Senator's personal retinue and his Merchant Cutter.

Federation free trader.
>be human
>comfy life transporting goods inside the federation
>Starfleet doesn't scan you because you're human and humans that aren't admirals/gunning for admiral aren't naughty :^)
>buy weapons from Ferengi for your ship/crew
>go outside Federation borders with your new dakka
>blow up faggets
>get rekt by faggets
>cry to Starfleet when rekt so they take out your enemies
>i dindu nuffin i swears

>Relentless quest for profit
Remember Daimon Bok? The guy who must have spent a considerable amount of time, money and effort to recover the Stargazer, clean it up, and set an elaborate trap so he could take revenge on Picard for killing his son?
Tell me that isn't a Rogue Trader revenge plot. Why track down and shoot your enemy when you can drive him insane and make him attack his own crew?

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That is a pretty good revenge plot. I suppose the thing is that in addition to grandiose schemes and profiteering, Rogue Traders are also high-ranking government officials with particularly enormous powers once outside of their home realm. Which I suppose could work for Ferengi too, but I don't think that fits your average Daimon.

>>computer, simulate Counselor Troi and increase her bowel elasticity by 300%
>>insert 4 Romulan death lobsters into her anus
>>safety protocols off

Torpedo Tennis

Orions, then? They seem like the right type for the occasional psychopathic romp through a star system.

this guy makes it sound like the federation doesnt give a crap about keeping law and order within its space

Ooh, that's an idea.

Klingons. Go on raiding parties. Fuck shit up. Bring back the spoils for the glory of the Empire. Semi-autonomous nature of the House system means hey can operate with impunity as long as they don't bring dishonor to their House, or more accurately, as long as nobody knows about it. Blood feuds and vendettas are all over the place and not only tolerated, but encouraged. And Klingons for all their talk about honor have been know to deal with sneakiness and treachery plenty of times.

Sure Klingons aren't supposed to fight for "profit" but they can definitely fight for "honor" while enjoying the spoils of war.

Unless you're supplying the Maquis. In which case they'll imprison you in New Zealand for a few years.

Would there be any tactical merit to volley fire over a continuous stream?

Well you're more likely to beat down a target's shields and cause hull damage. They might move and change shield facing or get time to get the shield back up otherwise. But you risk not doing any damage due to missing/evasion/whatever. It's an all-or-nothing approach rather than staggering out opportunities.

I suppose if you want to target one ship at a time, that one ship would be hard-pressed to resist that much firepower all at once.

why did rodenberry hate the jews so much

They ran Hollywood and kept canceling his shows.

Is that why the Ferengi were originally supposed to be the TNG big bads?

Something that has bothered me for awhile, but who was Odo's contact in "Improbable Cause"?

Some high ranking officer in either the Obsidian Order or Central Command. My personal theory is Gul Madred.

The informant was Ruskin's only Cardassian role, so it wasn't anyone previously seen. Not even soft canon says who it is. A possibility is Gul Russol, who was one of Odo's contacts, who was never seen on screen.

This makes the most sense. I can live with that.

That's only if you're an admiral's son. Otherwise they just hand you over to the spoons and wish you luck.

Is it true that Voyager had a race of aliens so stupid that they managed to blow themselves up trying to figure out a replicator?

Is there anything in the world who's vision is actually based on movement?

The Kazon. Although it didn't wipe all of them out.

Fair, but that's still absolutely amazing.

>Kazon

How were Space Somalia supposed to be a threat?

Voyager, if captained by somebody sane, could have maintained a steady speed till out of their territory.

>Space Somalia

Oh man that gives me ideas.

Most of their tech was stolen from the Traje. So they could use weapons just fine, but actually learning about new tech was fairly hit and miss.

Or you're fugging the Captain responsible for patroling the border.

Not everything needs an explanation or would benefit from one.

It's like Q freaking the fuck out first time he sees Guinan.

TNG did that. It's one of the Season 1 episodes that the writers and actors disavow

Which episode was that?

S1E4 - "Code of Honor"

AKA "The one with the Ooga-Booga race that look and dress like Africans"

Seriously?

That one wasn't that bad. Don't get me wrong, it was fairly shit, but it wasn't as bad as a lot of others.

And I wouldn't have called them Ooga-Booga just because all the ones we saw were black and the fashion of the capital was sort of North African in technicolour tinfoil.

They had independently developed teleporter technology, were presumably a warp capable people, had developed at least one medical breakthrough that the UFP hadn't and seemed to be bound in a complex and not entirely unequalitarian set of laws to which they seemed to adhere to faithfully.

If we are going for shit spisodes that we need to for get about then Warp 10 Lizards, Wesley gets death row for breaking a window, O'Brian kills the bogeyman by shouting a fairy tale at it, psychic apple juice, Worf does pain sticks and Riker gets wizard powers all rank way, way higher on the scale of shit.

I know they definitely de-canonised "Threshold". They even have Paris state that no one has ever breached the warp 10 barrier in a later episode.

>And I wouldn't have called them Ooga-Booga just because all the ones we saw were black and the fashion of the capital was sort of North African in technicolour tinfoil.

Trust me - it's a noble thing, you trying to make excuses for the episode, and I do believe that you're doing so with good intentions, i.e., you don't want to believe that the intention was "Ooga-Booga". But it absolutely was, or at least it ended up that way.

The writer for the episode, Kathryn Powers, originally intended the Ligonians to be more reptilian. For budget reasons that wasn't possible, so they were humans. But the director, Russ Mayberry, decided to make them all black, for reasons lost to time and tide (but for which I cannot even possibly imagine a good justification). It's noteworthy that Gene Roddenberry fired Mayberry over this episode. And the entire remaining cast and crew of TNG are just utterly embarrassed by the episode.

Kathryn Powers wrote the Stargate: SG-1 episode "Emancipation", too, which was basically this episode but replacing black folk with East Asian folk (and is equally panned and hated). I guess she just has a thing for white women being kidnapped by non-whites.

No, turns out that's not true...which is sad.

I wasn't trying to "make excuses" for the episode. The episode was as shit as the rest of Season 1, props were shit, painted palace and backdrop was shit, costumes were criminally early 70s and therefore shit, writing was lazy and shit. I just didn't think it was Ooga-Booga.

I was fucking wrong, obviously.

Making excuses implies that the particular fault is recognized.

Relatively new to /stg/. What's up with these funky op pics. I've noticed them on Veeky Forums for a fair while now and I like them. Is there an user that does these or are they part of some other thing?

There is an user who takes screenshots from star trek online (or accepts screenshots taken by others) and then photoshops them or something to make them look like that.

Cool. Does he do requests? I'm not really into ST online and I don't really want to sink time and money into it to get screenshots. But if he had shots of the Galaxy class (I'm nearly certain I've seen one of those), the Prometheus or the Voyager-Daedalus I'd be delighted.

Those three happen to be freebie ships you get while leveling (well in case of galaxy and Voyager, you gotta choose either one or the defiant. The following tier you get your last freebie ship which is either a sovereign, a luna class, a OC star cruiser, OC escort, OC sci ship or the Prometheus class ship).

As for what he does, well, he does both pics he has taken and those other people have taken of their own ships, if he has a pic of galaxy or any other stuff, then you just gotta hang around and hope he comes around.

Sorry, I mean the Dauntless from Voyager. The mock up alien ship.

Well here's a Galaxy class

So how would the Star Trek Universe deal with threats from other franchises? Such as The Replicators from Stargate.

Phaser set on wide area? I mean a phaser can disintegrate material it's going to do way more than a P90

Here's the only edit of a Prometheus that I have, I think.

I actually don't have any of the Dauntless, it's on my to-do list, along with the Defiant and Luna.

this

Aren't Replicators immune to energy weapons? That's why the Asgard needed the Human's help in the first place.

inverted tachyon-pulse through the deflector array.

Shoot it with SCIENCE!

I would think it depends on the energy weapon. Do Asgard weapons completely destroy people leaving no trace (Wrath of Khan)?

>then photoshops them or something to make them look like that
To make them look like what, shit?

I don't think we ever see Asgard hand weapons only ship weapons. Though there was a off-shoot that used hand weapons but they were always on stun.

There is a Jaffa weapon that does that and they didn't have any better luck against the Replicators which was being totally BTFO by them. Unless the Feds figure out how to go back to slug thrower they are kind of fucked.

They do have that rifle.

They seem to absorb every type of energy weapon used against them. Given that Goa'uld capital weaponry is stated to be in the megaton range and the asgard supposedly surpass them, we can assume that most conventional beam weapons are useless agains them.

They seems to get taken out by some sort of disruption beam. So that falls under the jurisdiction of Sciencey bullshit that spock pulls out of his ass at the last second.

If we're talking about ships then Starfleet can just use torpedoes all day everyday. If we're taking about on foot then they can dust off those TR-116s.

>The Enterprise's only hope is Worf running around swinging his Batleth at them

Worse, their only hope is Wesley Crusher

Psh, Stupid Adults

Thanks user. I'll be around so if you do make any with the Dauntless, I'd be grateful.

That still leaves me with the time drain. How long does it take to grind any of those ships? ill wager it's a long time.

The free ships you get through leveling up, which is pretty quick for an MMO.

The pay ships are what take a while.

A slow shooting rifle isn't going to be much good against a swarm of replicators.

Id say it will probably take you a week to get from 0 to level40 where you get your last free ships, then a short while till 50 and then it takes almost a week to get to 60.

That's a myth user.

All Paris says is:

>PARIS: I've never navigated a transwarp conduit. Any problems I should be aware of?

There has been to my knowledge and google-fu when this last came up, no disavowal of Threshold, nor has any writer, producer, or actor said anything more than "Yeah, it's shit." I'm honestly beginning to think that fans hate the episode so much they WISH it was non-canon and have just circulated that it is based on an improperly remembered line.

Neither Memory Alpha nor any amount of digging on the web has turned up evidence that Threshold was decanonized, but if anyone can find something credible, I'll be the first to bookmark it.

>Source: chakoteya.net/Voyager/403.htm

>But it absolutely was, or at least it ended up that way.

Then Mayberry was shit at it, because he apparently wanted Ooga-Booga and ended up with Wakanda.

Good thing they have plenty of examples of historical firearms in the database that they can easily replicate. Or just lure them into a holodeck and turn the safeties off.

Yeah, like that time Picard armed his security teams with machineguns instead of sending them back into the borg infested halls with phasers that had already been adapted to. Oh wait.

I've always believed that the Borg CAN adapt their shields to physical projectiles, and have even used this against an RPG crew who had that "lol stupid borg try adapting to hot lead" mentality.

It doesn't seem like a hard adaptation, everyone uses force fields to stop physical objects. If a force field can keep a shuttle bay from decompressing with the doors wide open to vacuum it'll sure as hell stop a bullet.

I'm not exaggerating when I say I just don't have that sort of free time on my hands. Especially for a game that's only appeal for me is pretty ships.

Thats a genuine shame

>We are Uncertain of Borg. Will you be assimilated?

>We are Dyslexic of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.

>We are Apathetic of Borg. You will be assimilated, or maybe not. We don't really care.

>We are Dishonest of Borg. You will not be assimilated.

Lets be honest. Starfleet would turn the Replicators into servants and then bestow sentience on them, forcing everybody to accept them as citizens of the Federation.

From the perspective of using the setting for an RPG, there is so much 'canon' shit that I would outright discard that Threshold is the fucking least of it. I'd probably make a full page+ list of shit that's retconned to work different or just didn't happen to make it less of a damn headache from a gaming perspective.

Which is totally fine. Not that you need my approval. But, in general, with RPGs, what is and isn't canon is an agreement between the GM and the players.

In my case, I'd scrap the TNG warp scale and go back to the TOS one. Yes, that means some ships will be traveling at like, warp 20. Don't give a damn.

I'd also scrap using pattern backups from the transporters, because it always made me wonder why they didn't have a special "transporter" that was like a those respawn tubes in System Shock 2.

Red Shirt died? Replace him from the backup. Getting too old? Replace yourself from a backup with transferred memories. I'm sure you can convince a Vulcan to do a mind transfer is necessary.

I'd also put psychics back in, because I like them.

>We are Lustful of Borg. Your ass will be simulated.

> we are Schrödinger's Borg...or are we?

>simulated
Well, good for them I guess.

SHUT UP WESLEY!!