Warhammer Fantasy General

I'm pondering if i did the right thing or if i were coerced into wasting fate points during our WFRP session.

I got a mutation that would have to be removed asap to avoid suspicion, instead everyone insisted i should burn a fate point and get another mutation. I did that and got one that was even worse but i could still choose among those two. They still insisted i should aim for another because the choices were between shit and more shit.

I felt i had to go along and go for third try and got something manageable but now I'm down to zero fate points in our deadly adventure. I can't tell if I'm just being moody for having zero get out of free jail card left or if everyone else fooled me into wasting FP (which I'm not sure if they intended since were all good friends and haven't done anything similar)

Feelings are such strange things i should just suck it up and carry on but still.

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>Karl's middle name is Leonard

Thanks, I'll look that up. I forgot to mention Dragon Ogres as well.

Looks like all four examples are Chaos related.

I come bearing gifts. I created an Errata'd Career Compendium. It's quite minor, considering that there actually weren't that many (Career Compendium) careers to errata.

It's mostly things like Skald getting Read/Write, Warlock getting a (necessary) Speak Language skill, and Riverwardens getting Swim. All Errata/FAQ stuff, not homebrewing or anything.

Second is the Official Web Enhancement for the Career Compandium, a "Master List of Career Entries & Exits". In the Career Compendium, Entries & Exits are often wrong, because they didn't update them when they listed all the Careers.

In most cases, they just listed them as they were originally printed, meaning that older careers doesn't refer you to newer careers. This fixes that.

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Basically, if you are part one thing, and part another, then major Chaos fuckery is involved. So Chaos is your best bet.

Well, except for animals I should add.

They are still able to breed some crazy shit that way, although I bet copious amounts of magic are involved.

Actually, fuck that. Here's an even better version:

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Not only is it an Errata'd Career Compendium, but I simply folded the official Web Enhancement with the Entries/Exits Master List into it, so you have all the correct career information in a single document:

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>Do Centaur exist in the Warhammer world?

Well, no. All the faun/beastmen stuff are.. well.. beastmen, or similar. Doesn't mean that it's not a cool idea, but canonically, we'd be talking Beastmen or the Bull-/Boar-centaurs of the Chaos Dwarfs.

Could you not have copied and pasted the revised OP user?

Probably could've, but the old thread didn't show up on a search, so I grabbed an old copypasta. I haven't been around in a while so I wasn't sure if there was an ongoing thread or not, so I just went with it. Sorry 'bout that.

Dhar mutates the living right? Could it be possible with Wellspring of Dhar, warpstone, and a sufficient Magic characteristic to try to manipulate the way Dhar mutates the living?

Like the way Greater Necromancy works but without the thing being dead and ending up brain dead once brought back?

Anything is possible. Is it probably, though? No, not really. All magic is essentially Dhar when it enters the world, after all, after which it crystallizes and separates (and then, sometimes, melds together again, on purpose or not).

Dhar is just a term for uncontrolled magic or undiluted raw "force", or magic that is polluted or mixed. A Hedge Wizard that is pulling on whatever winds of magic is available, the life-force in the trees on a good day, or from the fire at the heart at the same time, is technically using Dhar.

Humans (or at least The Empire) generally avoid the random nature of Dhar and mutations by focusing on a single wind. This means that they only have to consistently resist and control that one aspect, and are "mutated" in a controlled fashion, which is why Imperial Wizards take on aspects of their winds, not just physically, but also mentally. Arcane Marks, the thing that gives Bright Wizards red hair and makes Amber Wizards go feral, are really just low-key controlled mutations.

If you want to do specific mutations, you're going to have to pull on specific strands of Dhar, and at that point, you're not really using Dhar anymore. And if you've got such a mastery of it that you can pull on specific strands and then weave them together to achieve something very specific, using the exact right amounts of the various constituent forces of Dhar, you're not really using Dhar at all anymore, but Qhaysh, High Magic.

>probably
*probable

Also, let's be clear that Dhar doesn't just mutate the living. Dhar and Chaos mutates absolutely fucking everything it can, even if it's a doorknob. It just takes longer. It's why the absence of chaos elves and such is such an absurd notion. There's places in the Chaos Wastes that grow spikes straight out of the ground, and we've regularly seen entire buildings grow spikes and fangs.

Dhar is one hell of a drug.

I'll forgive you.

Are there dark elf player characters in WFRP 2e?

End Times

No, Black Industries was fucked by GW and FFG took over and canned WFRP2 before the planned Elf and Dwarf supplements were finished. They were planned, but they never materialized.

There's general rules for general elves in the Empire, though. It's nondescript, and could be used for any kind of Elf, really, but it's also not expressly high elf, wood elf, sea elf, or dark elf.

It's somewhat implied to be wood elves, though, but could just as well be high elf if you're playing a spellcaster.

I always wanted a united dwarf (mountain/chaos/norse) supplement, and a united elven supplement. Alas, it's unlikely to ever be.

How would you justify a Dark Elf PC anyway? Don't they hate just about everyone? And they certainly aren't well liked.

Could have been cool to have dangerous parts of the Warhammer world fleshed out more. Imagine getting to roleplay being one of the first slaves to ever escape from Klar Kalrond or something.

Yes. Centaurs are Chaos creatres. Either Centigors or those things that Chaos Dwarves have I forget their name

Save Pegasus and Griffins any kind of fusion animal will be Chaotic.

Pegasus and Griffins are 'chaos creatures,' in that they're creatures affected by Chaos warping things a bit. Doesn't mean that they're Chaos creatures like Beastmen though.

So is T9A any good or what? The unit pricing scheme seems pants on head retarded, especially since MSU lists seem to be dominant (for Lizards anyways). They seem to have nerfed the shit out of the Slann, which was one of the biggest draws to the faction for me.

>How would you justify a Dark Elf PC anyway?

I honestly have a hard time understanding that they prioritized a Vampire supplement, a full Chaos supplement AND a Skaven supplement, with rules for playing Vampires/Skaven/Chaos, as well as no less than three fully human-centric full supplements (Empire, Kislev, Bretonnia), before they made an elven and/or a dwarf supplement.

That being said, however, how you would justify playing a dark elf PC goes about the same as how you'd justify a chaos PC, or a skaven PC, or a vampire/thrall PC. It's for a completely different type of niched campaign separate from core assumptions of the game.

I could arguably see a dark elf PC being in a somewhat regular game, though, as an individual, but at that point, he's just an elf of a specific cultural background, a pretty far cry from the archetypical dark elf, who violently despise the lesser races far beyond what even high elves/wood elves (or sea elves, for that matter) do.

I just really wished there'd been more stuff for them. I'm not the one that wants to play a dark elf, though, I would've just wanted that to be a small part of a big supplement dealing with the elves and inter-elven relations.

I'm convinced that hadn't GW buttfucked Black Industries and the hacks at FFG taken over, we would've eventually gotten supplements for Cathay and/or Ind and/or Nippon, Lustria, and maybe even Albion or the Southlands.

What are the best Warhammer novels? Is Gotrek and Felix series really the only notable ones?

They mustn't have taken much of this into account since the 6th edition BRB is pretty bland inside.

Malus Darkblade is pretty good.

G&F was kind of like the Horus Heresy for Fantasy, it was the franchise that started small and became so popular that GW kept releasing new stories even after King moved on.

Nigga, what?

Do Dwarf slayers use throwing weapons? Or does it vary depending on individuals?

Forgive me for being melodramatic but the saddest part about this whole fiasco over the last decade is Fantasy in another timeline could have been and continued to be a great success. But they shit on it and then killed it off for an abomination of a skirmish game.

I savor the images in this thread for we will never see its likeness created again.

Seems like WFB is really taking off in video games the past few years. The times haven't ended yet.

Warhammer Fantasy is probably my favorite high fantasy setting ever. It's the perfect mix of traditional fantasy, grimdark, and trope-breaking.

My favourite part of it is the over-the-top detailing that they put into the lifestyle of things - the horses, guns, armour, clothing, it's great. You don't see that in other stuff.

Apart from that one image.

GW will bring it back in some form eventually...

The question is if we should go back or tell them to fuck off after they basically ditched up for the age 4 - 10 crowd.

>tfw no whfrp2e games on roll20 run by not-retards

If you want to be a player get friends (if you have none), run a game for them, try to be an ok GM, then they will be inspired to run their own games.

Im pretty sure "chaos creatures" are all malicious things actually made from evil energies, which pegasus and griffins aren't

Tell me I'm not the only one who would have preferred Nagash to be normal sized?

>Forgive me for being melodramatic

No. Fuck off forever you miserable cunt.

>Im pretty sure "chaos creatures" are all malicious things actually made from evil energies, which pegasus and griffins aren't

Chaos creatures are mutants and daemons.
Pegasi and Gryphons are mutants.

I'm also on that side. While I enjoy big monsters like behemots (terrorgheist), I dislike humanoids made big, just for the purpose of being big. It's so boring and unoriginal. He would have been a great normal sized necromancer/lich.

But Nagash is a mutant Lich being normal sized doesn't fit him at all.

Same as Magnus, just another reason to shill a massive kit rather than a reasonably sized gaming piece.

web.archive.org/web/20071107065409/http://www.blackindustries.com/pdf/articles/skaven-characters.pdf
here you go mate

I suppose he has constructed the body from various sources and making it large and intimidating has a purpose but Ogre sized rather than Bloodthirster would have been my preference.

Will there be humans/orcs/beastmen/etc in the New World campaign for TW:W 2?

Yes to all three.

Estilea has settlements in Lustia.

Orcs are everywhere.

Beastmen exist in the north of Naggarond.

So my box of Empire of Dust skellies arrived. The metal bits are nicely cast, aside from some trimming needed to get them to join with the plastic legs. And the shields are separate pieces as well, which is always nice. Will post photos once I get some done. Should be excellent TK replacements (once I swap the shields).

Only gripe is some excess pewter in shitty places, like chunks inside of hands. Damn near broke one of the little bastards trying to trim it.

Alright, lets start some sort of discussion:

Whats your favourite faction and why?

Whats your favourite sub-faction within that faction and why?

and finally,

What do you like most about fantasy as a whole?

I always find the thing with mantic models that lets them down is the awful paintjob by whoever the guy is that they hire to paint them.

They look like really nice models just the paintjob is holding them back.

How many did you end up buying by the way?

Cool, I'm interested to see what they look like unpainted.

I don't know if it's just the paintjob on the website but the detail looks a bit soft on them?

Just bought one box of 20, didn't want to buy a shitload and then hate the things.

And yeah, Mantic paintjobs are really hit or miss. The detail is good though - not up to GW's standard (on most models, of course, and it's not Forgeworld by any means), but definitely good enough for $28. Still not sure on what paintjob I'm gonna go with, but it wont be shitloads of blue, that's for sure.

Now we just need some chariots and my Tomb Kings dreams will come true.

Neat. I hope Estalia gets fleshed out a bit instead of being Empire clones.

Does anyone have the 'Skaven behind this post' image? It's important.

Honestly, I don't know how to feel about WHFB. It could have been great, but at the same time, I just don't think it could have been a success, even if they pumped as much effort into it as they do AoS.

Taking a look at the more popular games on the market today, nobody really seems all that eager to play Rank and File games like WHFB. If that was true, 9th age and KoW should be highly relevant; but they're not.

On the other hand, it is a dam shame about the lore. Age of Sigmar, even at its best, is a travesty. But it is clear that the tone they have for AoS is nowhere close to that of WHFB's, and I think WHFB on a whole would have suffered if they tried to blend the two together.

Can you take some pics user?

Well, they'd probably look something like this, so it shouldn't be too hard for a modder to do something with them.

Here's a pet peeve, why do some people portray them as 17th century Spanish when all the info suggests they're less technologically advanced than the Empire?

>Beastmen
>Skaven
Is Estalia pretty much instantly fucked in the new TW: W 2 map?

Once the roommate gets home, I'll take some pics of the sprues and the one I've got ready to basecoat.

I'd use the camera on my phone, but it's less than one megapixel, and it'd end up looking like impressionistic art.

Glorious, thanks user. That's going in my Blanche archive.

They threw the baby out with the bathwater.

Save rank and flank for 10-15mm but keep the landsknecht.

If you modded TW:W with a faction and unlocker and played them, they were already pretty much fucked - beastmen herds were rampaging around your three cities from the start of the campaign. Not to mention Tilea is comprised of antagonistic dickbags, Brettonia is RIGHT FUCKING THERE, and then you've got Naz-I mean Wood Elves within marching distance as well.

Estalia is hard mode.

Here's my homebrew again with even more editing. Would you use it? I'm thinking of adding various war machines as well since a few of those have been given weapon profiles.

Well, there are two distinct cultures in Estalia - the north is more Bretonnian-friendly, though I don't know what differentiates the south. It could be that they are both less technologically advanced, but also 17th century levels of tech, depending on if you are in the north or south. Or maybe it's a matter of fashion rather than technology.

Which is ironic, because Estalia's supposed to be one of the most peaceful places in the Old World.

Well, in Estalia they are because all their neighbours are friendly.

I bet in Lustria they're thieving from the Lizardmen.

Oh hey, looks like you adapted my house rules. Good stuff.

The only thing I'd point out on a brief scan is that two-handed mounted spears and lances seem a little unnecessary. I don't think I've ever seen a reference to a mounted warrior using a two-handed spear (or a two-handed anything actually, but that's a different matter).

I think people just pick it because it was an iconic time for the Spanish Empire.

But generally speaking in the context of Warhammer, Estalia appears to be the Empire but with Morions and no steam tanks.

True, very true. This is the only Estalia art I know of - notice the braided beard, and the crescent symbols on the heraldry shield.

Large scale rank and file combat in 28mm is just a terrible idea that was forced by GW and seemed to work for a while.

As you say, the loss is the setting. WHFB is by far my favorite fantasy setting and nothing really comes close in terms of great source material and great opportunities for Your Guys.

They aren't 17th century level. Their helmets and clothing are based on 16th century stuff just like the Empire. Also Spain was never more advanced than Northern Europe.

Historically, spears and lances on cavalry were used in a two-handed manner for far longer than they were used in combination with a shield.

That's basically what I meant.

The Battle of Rocroi was in the 1640's, and this is how a lot of people imagine Estalia to look (which is fine if you want them that way).

But all the evidence suggests they'd look more like , which is early 16th century, about the same time as landsknechts.

Not the greatest pics, but it's late and all I got's MS paint an roomies iPhone.

If you look at the skellie's shield hand, you can see a large chunk of flash that's proven rather difficult to remove. The detail is a bit fuzzy in the pic, but it'll be more noticeable once it's painted.

And no, that's not anything odd on the base, I just put some watered down glue to hold the basing material in place.

Hey that helmet looks familiar.

They looks miles better than the old GW kits.

I can see why you wanted different shields though. Shame nobody sold 28mm khopesh's.

I ended up ordering some of pic related from Crocodile games. Aside from the cowhide paintjob, they should work great.

And I think Reaper actually sells Khopesh's, but they were part of weapon packs, only came with a few, and were around $10. Wasn't really worth it. Gonna dig around my bits box, but I'm not hopeful - the things were rare enough in the GW kits.

Yeah should look good with a solid blue insert.

What game/list are you running user? In 8th it was rare to see TK skelly blocks.

Well, I'm not sure yet. I only ever played a few games. I love me some organized, well trained infantry blocks though, so I will definitely be making a few, if for no other reason than bunkers for my Heirophants. The lists I did build were always fluffy, though, for better or worse. Toying around with trying it with the 9th Age rules, as I really like them.

I did play one particular list with VC back in the day, titled "Kemmler and Krell's Necromantic Circus" full of as many skeletons as I could fit in a list. Which is a lot, by the way.

>9th age and KoW should be highly relevant; but they're not
Both of them suffer from being WHFB knock-offs. T9A especially needs to unshackle itself from some of WHFB 8E really shitty design decisions (the magic phase as a whole is especially terrible).

28mm is an awkward scale for ranked combat. 28mm is also a terrible scale for sci-fi combat, and 40k is doing great.

I don't think you could really mesh AoS and WHFB tone-wise, but you could definitely find a middle ground rules wise. A more gradual shift like what 40k's having could have also been attempted.

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Yeah big VC style blocks seem to be popular in 9th for TK.

> As many skeletons as I could fit.

Sounds... spooky.

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I'd laugh more if this apartment building didn't have walls made of wafers.

kickstarter.com/projects/lastsword/reichguard-knigths

Looks like this is ending.

32mm, but designed to work with GW minis. Pic related.

So CA caters to the fucking fur fags, and creepy scalies instead of the greatest race in the entire Warhammer multiverse?

They look quite good but I'm not sure what to use them as? Bretonnian style would have probably been more useful.

I just figure new Nagash isn't supposed to be a physical body, he's just a giant spirit. Like Death in Castlevania: Lament Of Innocence. He's giant, the stage is actually his cape.

If they gave him Ethereal it would have made more sense.

Chaos Dwarfs will be added in due time. Save the best for last? They better get missions to provide weapons to 'destruction' factions.