Last thread hit bump limit and I felt there were some good discussions going on.
Old thread >Playing at my LGS, running a Christianity deck with Joseph Smith and several Golden Plates.
>Opponent says that they are homebrew bullshit and refuses to continue the game.
Wut do?
Screw that guy user, it's just as valid as any other Christian deck.
It's like those haters who don't want Scientology decks to be legal. I would totally run one but I can't afford to get OT VIII which I hear is a must have to run the deck effectively.
>christian deck
>x0 Only Son of God
>x3 Pyramid Scheme
>x2 We Wuz Reversal
>"the polygamy and fraud set were bootleg cards, even though they were included in the Joseph Smith flavor text"
Am I the only one finding it hard to get into the Hindi decks? There's way to many legendaries I don't understand how anyone is suppose to use it when there's a limit to how many you can run per turn.
I do. The reactions when I play him are glorious. You not only get the Russian Civil War cards, but you can use Tibetan set cards as well! Then playing reincarnated War God always makes someone have a bad day.
Don't use all of them.Play a specialized set (Tridevi, Trimurti, Mahayana if you want to splash Buddhism, or something on Ramayana or Mahabharata depending on your local meta). "Who thinks Himself a Killer" is some of the best available consequence-free removal you can get and "Nor Is It Killed" makes whatever you decide to play a lot more viable.
Wont most of those get stomped by muslim conversion decks running caliphate?
transition to modern ethno fascism, duh.
>every deck running polish cards can be demolished using "Polish-speaking brigand community"
I like the mechanic of it being shuffled into enemy's deck after playing "purge the elites" with virtually no counterplay.
Once he draws it you basically won because it'll cause self destruction, or weaken the deck so hard that international communism wins against it
When did you guys start playing? I started with the Roman Kingdom Set. To this day my favorite will always be Romulus Aggro.
Though it´s a shame that Epirus never catched on. Must be because of that Pyrrhic Victory card that needed to be played.
HI LUDWIG WITTGENSTEIN HERE WITH THE NEW EDITION
FROM NOW ON THIS GAME IS CALLED "PHILOSOPHY: THE LANGUAGE"
WE STREAMLINE EVERYTHING BY MAKING ALL THE PAGES OF ALL THE BOOKS EXCLUSIVELY TALK ABOUT LANGUAGE IN THIS LINGUISTIC TURN
I've been playing since the Reformation expansion but my favourite format would have to be Post-Modern.
YOU FELL FOR MY TRAP.
Now I transition to Totalitarian deck with newspeak running that taps all your energy to me!
>4x Hilary Clinton
>4x Bill Clinton
>3x Jake Sullivan
>3x Madeleine Albright
>3x Leon Panetta
>3x Tom Donilon
>4x Madame President (Win Condition)
>4x Ad Hominem
>3x Celebrity Endorsement
>3x Energetic Electioneering
>3x Rig the System
>3x Scapegoat
Okay, I know it got wrecked at the 2016 championship but I swear, it can totally work, it just needs the right pieces.
Any suggestions?
You're missing compulsory public education and big media.
put in personal income tax to counter homeschooling and private tutors.
Energetic Electioneering might've been a good choice with Hilary Clinton back in 2008 but after the errata, putting those two cards in the same deck is just self-sabotage.
Just lost like a dozen consecutive games vs Error Theory+Normative Nihilism combo with Intuitionist Aggro, the deck might be the real deal folks. Not even Moorean Facts off the sideboard helped.
You should add a few copies of radical feminism and BLM
Look it's just not happening, Madame president was a fun card but an overhyped deck and it got destroyed. Wait for the next set where they'll print Tulsi Gabbard and then you might have a shot but until then anyone playing Clinton needs more espionage cards and a different win con.
How do I get BLM to work when I don't have any black followers or a self-sacrifice engine to feed them to?
"False Flag" and "24hr News" Cycle my dude.
Huh. False Flag to put the first sympathy counter on Black Live Matters and 24 Hour News to put another counter on a card at the start of each turn.
You'd need to defend both BLM and 24 Hour from removal but theoretically, this should work as a funky grinder deck.
I want to run an Anarchism deck but can't find any good guides. All I found was videos of dudes flipping tables.
What brand of anarchism?
Some can maybe work, others are pure meme decks.
I know you'll be all roasting on me for posting this, but I built this deck and it's fun to run.
1xDiogenes the Dog
4xPlucked Chicken
4xBehold! A Man!
4xOut of the Sun (needed removal)
4xPublic Masturbation
4xSniffing the Bread
4xCynic Retort
2xEnvy of Alexander
4xCanine Shapeshift
4xDefecate
4xMarketplace (couldn't afford dual lands)
1xSinope (gotta spam some insect tokens)
20xBarrels
Looking to get into this game. Where should I start? Probably gonna build Daoism or Epicureanism.
I've been playing all the way since The Republic. Soft locking someone with Socrates and Aristotle with Plato as a finisher never gets old.
How the fuck am I supposed to deal with We Wuz. This card is so stupid.
Takes control of all of my Culture and Works cards and lets him use it without having the tribe requirements. This is so dumb.
Where's Anarcho-Facism? :^)
>Not running Honest Man's Lantern
git gud scrub
Cool thing about old cynic decks is everything has a low cost to get out there, you can probably ditch a few barrels.
I'd drop 1 BAM and 1 Chicken because they're pretty much the same thing. Put in a few The Emptiness Is Up There and A Socrates Gone Mad. If you're playing in unlimited there's a bunch of punk cards you can use too. Rich Kid and Its Not Just A Phase works really well.
Not in Modern. There are issues with the Mughal decks but you do fine against Lodi Khan. If you're playing a historic you need to drop a lot of the caste system stuff or run Caste-Equivalency stuff to introduce the Muslim Castes. In Modern you can grab some cards from the Gandhi set (Scheduled Castes) to minimize the 'convert the poor' strategy and you'll do OK.
Rise of Islam set. I was super salty when Shura Council got errata-ed out and the meta decks were all standard Monarchy that minimized religious leader chances for an entire goddamn dynasty print.
>I'd drop 1 BAM and 1 Chicken because they're pretty much the same thing.
You cheeky fuck
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I play a homebrew deck with my friends, never defeated
Other fag here.
I am trying to run Anarcho-Capitalism, for i like it lore-wise, but it plays too similiar to Despotism. Any idea how to fix that? Or is that intenat?
I was thinking about adding Bleeding Heart Libertarianism for emphasizing the difference, but that itself is shit.
This was discussed in the last thread, try to get the singularity win condision, though flavorwise ut might seem more like a trans-humanism deck
For anti-aggro Childsoldiers or international Waters - privateer combo
Does anyone else hate those new Chaos/unaligned cards that came out in the newest "Return of the Old Ways" expansion. I mean, yeah I get that there need to be some counter to the Controlled Opposition and Cultural Debt cards that WLD decks seem to love, but they're virtually immune to all identity based cards, negating an entire field of play. I wouldn't mod so much, but ever since the 2016 championships made Meme Magic decks the new hip thing, I've been seeing them every where! Seriously, Chaos needs to be nerfed soon.
Behold, the ultimate Salafi burn deck.
>4x Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab
>4x Abd al-Aziz ibn Baz
>4x Muhammad ibn al Uthaymeen
>4x Call to Prayer
>4x Call for Jihad
>4x Invoke Hadith
>4x Issue Fatwa
>3x Book Burning
>3x Enlightened Ignorance
>3x Sharia Law
>3x Petrodollars
I've never found a Western control deck which can survive more than four turns against this, let alone beat it.
And no, this isn't a fucking Wahhabi deck. There's no such thing as Wahhabi burn, so stop fucking calling it a Wahhabi deck.
Daily reminder Aristotle is an overrated shit
x Sharia Law
x Petrodollars
it has Wahhabi all over its name, if you want Salafi you run ISIS deck (toyota cavalry+internet propaganda+CIA subsidy)
>Madame president was a fun card but an overhyped deck and it got destroyed
For almost twenty years they had fucking "Iron lady" Thatcher and she was "god" tier card but they hated to use it because she work in their socialism deck. Let them suffer
I'm fucking telling you, it's not a Wahhabi deck, it's a Salafi deck.
People don't call that cancerous Brexit combo a "Theresa Mayan deck" or CIA lockdown a "Brennanian deck." So don't fucking call it a Wahhabi deck just because it's got Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab and a few Saudi staples in it.
And please, those $20 ISIS decks don't compare to true Salafi decks for a second. They're leaving the meta at this very moment.
Was moral relativism a joke/bootleg/experimental card?
It's fucking bullshit, why does it allow the enemy to do anything including taking my own cards while i can't do shit about it.
I found my own copy, and rematch ended with a fist fight, wtf.
It's designed to limit the meta and keep cancerous decks under control. It encourages Christian decks to go Catholic and run Pope Benedict XVI and brings Ccassical decks into the limelight with Socrates, Plato and Aristotle all being able to debunk it. Hell, Protagoras used to be run all the time in early classical control and he was Moral Relativism on a stick.
I think it was serious attempt, but i agree it's mistake. I hope they will do something about it soon.
Call me an edgelord, but I want to run Leopold von Sacher-Masoch and Marquis de Sade in the same deck.
Any advice? I have no idea what other cards to put in. What about the win condition?
>doesn't know Moral Relativism is key combo with Meme Magic False Flag
You're right, how could I not see that.
Next time I'm gonna build a Misogyny deck around Schopenhauer. I want to control and counter Female Emancipation decks, while ramping up my mana with Ascetism for a final swipe of the board.
As usual, doing it for the lulz.
Any suggestions?
You don't really have to bother countering female emancipation decks. They don't have any staying power against anything that uses cultural hegemony. And everything uses that. Even strict 1st wave decks take themselves out by trying to play Rich White Lady like it was a good idea.
Watching people try and play anything after that, 2nd, 3rd, 4th wave all counteract each other and are super vulnerable to Target Markets in WLD, Family Values in Meme Magic, and reprints of Patriarchy in all the new muslim sets. They can all splash misogyny anyway. Fuck, 3rd and 4th wave splash it internally.
Schopenhauer probably does some weird synergy with ascetism and pessimistic nihilism. Might give you invulnerability to a bunch of social cards. Makes you mad vulnerable to violent materialists though.
>They can all splash misogyny anyway
You can easily use every card with misoginy against feminists action if total power of your cards is equal or bigger than enemy's.
Local Meta is all ISIS/Salafi. Putting together Islamic retrofuturist deck to fuck up next local tournament.
> 4x Sulaiman ibn Abd al-Wahhab
> 4x Divine Thunderbolt Concerning the Wahhabiyah
> 4x Call to Prayer
> 4x Suhaib Webb
> 4x Invoke Hadith
> 4x Issue Fatwa
> 4x Arab Spring
> 3x Zaid Shakir
> 3x Political Martyr
> 3x Transhuman Theory
> 3x Natural Selection
Vulnerable to the idea and project removal that almost every ISIS and Salafi deck runs.
How do you plan to stand up against Book Burning, Denounced Heritage and Noble Savagery? The last one especially, if you've got anyone that runs North African ISIS.
Whoops, Arab spring is sideboard.
You let them kill the project the first time, progress while it's removed with Hadith, and burst Thunderbolt/Sulaiman/Transhuman Theory to push past it (Thunderbolt for the tribal protections, Sulaiman to either Martyr or counter Splashes). They can force shutdown in North African but you can switch to Islamic Enlightenment once their removals gone with Shakir and Fatwa. It's finicky but reasonably reliable. You have suggestions for a switch?
The main weakness is western decks but I shouldn't run into them until other people start playing this.
Anyone else seen this leaked? Could be a major buff to WLD or even a traditionist deck, but it seems to need a lot of set up. Still though, provides a hard counter to cultural marxism, nihlism, and seems like it might be a runner up against the current globalist consumerism, with surprising synergy with both regular Christian decks, and Meme Magic.
Sort Yourself Out, and Life Is the Antidote to Suffering, and Internalized Gods seem to be wicked strong.
Anyone else seen this leaked? Could be a major buff to WLD or even a traditionist deck, but it seems to need a lot of set up. Still though, provides a hard counter to cultural marxism, nihlism, and seems like it might be a runner up against the current globalist consumerism, with surprising synergy with both regular Christian decks, and Meme Magic.
Sort Yourself Out, and Life Is the Antidote to Suffering, and Internalized Gods seem to be wicked strong.
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I find myself thoroughly disappointed by Communism decks. Everything works great on paper but then when I start the game I just can't draw well and it seems like I get starved fro resources way too fast.
I'm very iffy about decks that only work once in a lifetime if you draw your hand in the perfect clandestine order and your opponent is asleep.
Plus I hate how pretty much every archetype beats it. Liberal Democracy tempos you out, Fascists just steam-roll you, Quantum and New-Age decks control the shit out of it and more traditional decks, although lagging behind still have these alternate win-conditions they can just get away with.
I swear one day I'm gonna make it work but for now it seems like it's missing some key cards.
Communism decks working is a pipe dream. You pretty much have to run a socialist deck and try and convince yourself it's communist. The only players still pretending it's a thing are really just running totalitarian dictatorship decks but don't call them on it or they'll sperg out.
I guess maybe around the kitchen table it "could" work but it relies on your opponent trying to help you out. Never going to work in a competitive setting.
Who else /KekDeck/ here
Wait until we finally get post scarcity expansion. Shit like fully automated production, self driving vehicles, inexpensive 3d printers and so on.
Once we have those tech cards, communism will become viable.
Isn't amazing who Commies keeping saying the same thing, "Next expansion!""Next expansion!""Next expansion!" and it never works out. What a joke deck, how far it has fallen is amazing.
The entire post-modernist expansion was a mistake.
A man can dream.
Part of me sees the real issue though, because if Communism was to ever become viable it would completely dominate the meta and make other decks obsolete. When the only response to a Communist deck is playing a Communist deck yourself just with maybe a few different cards like maybe Anarchy or Trans-humanism splashed in the game becomes a joke without a punchline.
If Utopia meta becomes viable, one can push the final frontier, unlimited energy and transhumanism builds to make an ultra individualistic deck to counter Communism anyway.
Yeah, but that's what I'm talking about when I say that the game becomes a joke. It's just variations of the same deck really. I don't know how that wouldn't get really boring really fast.
are any decks really different though?
I dunno, I kind of like my Buddhism deck based around cycling cards with Reincarnation effects and using Pain of Existence to deter your opponent while you set-up the Enlightenment win.
The trick is it's unclear by the rules, so certain tournies ban it outright because the judge can't really tell if you actually won or not.
Wonder if clarifying that out would make the Post Scarcity meta more interesting?
Then again the Post Scarcity meta will have so many new core mechanics we can't really tell how it plays.
They never printed the stuff to make it work. Educated Proletariat, Class Consciousness and Globalized Revolution all got left out because they didn't work with the game mechanics.
Modern Marxist decks have been trying to swing in with reprints of Christianity stuff, there's some accidental synergy there but its still vulnerable to anti-utopian everything.
You'll probably want to think about having some sort of counter in place against Nietzsche decks. I'd suggest putting at least one You're Literally Hitler in your deck. If you can play that before your opponent gets The Will To Power or Eternal Recurrence out, you're going to win, easily.
>4x Donald Trump
>4x Mike Pence
>4x Ivanka Trump
>10x Rally
>4x Small Loan Of A Million Dollars
>4x All Publicity Is Good Publicity
>7x Twitter Shitposting
>1x (K E K)
>1x The Wall (Win Condition)
Is this deck still viable?
Shadilay Brother! Meme magic Decks best Decks. I always love the face I see when some WLD or Globalist player uses Moral Duty, and just gets shut done by Not Your Personal Army.
>not running Tumblr decks and using double think set ups
Why the fuck aren't you running Bernie Sanders?
>running Straight up Tumblr Decks
>Only Psy-ops are Repetition and Artistic Expression
>Gets fucked by Chaos-aligned and anything with a hatred buff
>Gets negated by, and is objectively inferior to "Veeky Forums: Hive of Pariahs"
Tumblr cards are absolute dog shite on their own, and are only good for how hard they are to remove. That's why they're always splashed with WLD or Globalist Decks.
Although I have to admit, WLD Tumblr Feminism Decks are surprisingly good at bringing down islamic Decks with subversion.
>WLD Tumblr Feminism Decks are surprisingly good at bringing down islamic Decks with subversion.
It's not nice to bully retarded kids and boast about beating them in a card game.
Every competent player has the opposite result with all Islam decks stomping and usually the WLD player even helping the enemy out.
"If you lose, you win" was an april fool's card that doesn't actually work unless played on that day. check the flavor text with UV light
Fucking Nihlism decks ruined the meta. I'm running Existentialism so I should even be happy about this, but holy shit is it annoying when they pull out 'Nothing Matters' time after fucking time. Please nerf.
>Plays straight Veeky Forums decks
>Still refuses to admit that every single card is just another regurgitated "reactionary" card and "white nationalist" card with new flavor text and the exact same function
>Playing straight faction decks period.
Guys you know that you can build your own decks, right?
Fair enough, I Guess I should have said "better" rather than "good". I mean, Tumblr Feminism Decks are still pretty shit against Islam, but if you can somehow Survive long enough for your Psy-Ops to overcome the sheltered ability, you can pretty much steal half their followers. The problem comes from the fact that all of WLD argument by Violence cards require you to jump through a ridiculous number of hoops to deploy, so the tumblr cards lack defense for their physical weakness.
>tumblr decks
>4 chan decks
>meme decks
damn this game sold out hard to attract the kiddies.
Remember back in 2nd edition when including "dadaism" was considered way too far removed from the original concept? That seems almost retro now.
I agree Standard is a shithole. Does anyone else remember the Canaanite expansion?
Cards like Yahwist-El Merger, Mot Death Cult, Mulk Baal Sacrifice of the First Born were the shit.
Bernie Sanders is only good in WLD that splashes socialism. Although some of those Psychedelic ramp decks get away with running him.
Nah, it totally depends on the opponent's deck completely lacking any "national security investigation" cards they can play before the win conditions are met.
Now that everyone knows about its weakness none of the players who were rolling with that build can maintain a win streak anymore.
They're just rolling back to standard globalist builds and stuffing their decks with "PR friendly intervention" and "Plausible deniability" counters just to survive.
So, I've scrapped together a cheap Humanist control deck.
>3x Auguste Comte
>3x George Holyoake
>3x Felix Adler
>3x Julian Huxley
>4x God Delusion
>4x Blasphemy Day
>4x Discredit Research
>4x Celebrity Endorsement
>4x Amsterdam Declaration
>4x Felicific Calculus
>4x Eudaimonia
With the rising prevalence of religious decks, I figure it's a good idea to slot in both God Delusion to counter religious actions and Blasphemy Day for removal of religious ideas - even if it's a bit expensive.
Comte and Holyoake are the draw engines, while Huxley and the token celebrities from Celebrity Endorsement take the brunt of any aggression. Adler and Felicific Calculus build up areté counters on Eudaemonia for the win con. If it's a control mirror, I can always tap my token celebrities for areté counters for a faster win but in such an aggressive meta, it's better to use them to chump block. Any changes people want to suggest?
>Play oldschool Pope Urban II deck
>All these new wave kids always act super annoying
>One vapid girl with dyed hair just throws a little of every religion into her deck
>Always goes into a full-on sperg whenever a christian deck sweeps her
>Have to go against her in first round of friendly shop tournament
>She tries to pull some siege shit
>With muslim cards
>And is easily baited into taking my Jerusalem
>Non Nobis Domine.jpg
>Proceed to retaliate in a fashion so disgusting you'd think the ankle-deep blood was real, and coming from her battered snatch
>Calls me racist, asks why Christian players always had to "ruin the fun for everyone else"
>Look her dead in the eye
>"The answers is simple"
>"Because Deus Vult"
She stopped playing after that.
God above, I love me some Pope Urban the Second decks.
You running any gothic cathedrals in there? I've always found the follower retention too useful to slot in romanesque or baroque cathedrals instead
What? I'm not talking about retooling the entire deck. You don't even have to change much to run a few Bernie copies, just take out some Ad Hominems or Celeb Endorsements. You won't miss the lack of news cycle-speed rhetorics, and with a Bernie in hand you won't get globalistwalked if your opponent plays a Populist candidate.
That's pure speculation, we never saw a Social Democrat deck get into the finals of the 2016 Championship anyway. It was just Populism (not alt-right, why do morons keep calling it that) sweeping your typical WLD decks, including Madame President.
I'm not talking about a Social Democrat deck, I'm talking about splashing Populism INTO a WLD deck.
What? No. That's just... That's dumb. Populism will never be mainstream, its 2016 success was just a fluke. That deck's bad, it was just built to counter the meta.
>Populism will never be mainstream he says
>as a populist Deck has sweeper through the two main meta Decks in the champion ships
>as more and more people start building their own Ethnocentric Nationalism, Populism, and Meme Magic Decks
>as Grognards of the Suburbs treats the result of the 2016 championship event as part of its canon Lore, and starts pushing a whole new line of Populist Heroes from different realms, probably as an imitation of the real life heroes of the Jacetic league.
Populism is more than just a passing phase bucko. You can pretend all you like that your $20,000 Globalist Drck is still relevant, but it's happening.
What are you talking about, user? I'm certain the devs will rebalance the new set so that their customers won't have to buy more new cards to compete in the meta.