I'm in a pickle, folks

It doesn't matter if it would devastate him. The consequences are coming from actions that HE is responsible for, not you. Don't put your players at risk or end a game they're enjoying just because you're feeling bad for someone who made their own bed.

Fuck, I'd be pissed about the guy not telling me up-front and the fact that he was in my house without telling me about those kinds of offenses first. God help me if I actually had kids or younger siblings. (I knwo you said you don't, but that begs the question as to whether he actually knew this or not, and whether your players might have anyone like that who tags along with them some day.)

Well as long as he doesn't play cleric.

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strangers on the internet shiting all over someone's past mistakes

also ITT
Veeky Forums defends pedophilia

your move user

Soft boot would be as bad tb. Players are not idiots (most of the time).

Honestly, the dude is doing therapy and he came out to you honestly. That at least counts for something. Don't cut campaign short, observe for now.

Shitting all over someone's past mistakes is perfectly justified when those mistakes put the safety of those and people close to you in danger. Employers refuse to hire people arrested for theft, it's perfectly fine to refuse letting a guy convicted of sex offenses into a fucking game of pretend.

OP needs to kick the guy out and pray to god he's not some clingy stalker who will keep begging to be let back in. There's no "soft boot" with issues like this, you need to remove those kinds of people from your life cold-turkey and let them be someone else's problem.

I understand why you might not feel super comfortable with this, and maybe It's just because I'm a sucker for a redemption story, but I personally feel you should give him a chance.

Firstly, you said there's no children, which is priority one, so that's good. Secondly, you said he's legitimately cool and doesn't act like an asshole, which is priority number 2. If he's not acting like a complete creep, there's no children around and he's making a legitimate effort to get better, why punish him further?

People get into some weird headspaces sometimes. He might have been really depressed, and somehow his only vice may have ended up as fucked up, illegal porn or maybe he was born with some twisted predilection that is now ruining his life. What's important here is that he's seeking therapy and is also going out and doing something exclusively social and productive. If this man is willing to change the last thing you ought to do is oust him over something that doesn't personally affect you. By the sounds of it he didn't touch the kid so he (hopefully) hasn't scarred anyone for life.

Your moral stance is up to you but I think if you would be decent enough to give him an environment where he isn't judged and he can get away from how shit his life must be now that'd be good for him at least. Maybe encourage him to address it to the rest of the group eventually.

I agree with this user. Dude's already paid his price.

If he was convicted then there is basically no chance his sister didn't know what he did. Even with no physical contact or previous awareness, this sort of revelation could definitely scar someone for life.

Yeah, there's no way she doesn't know. He doesn't live with his family any more, he lives in a group home for people like him.

I wouldn't have him around, and I'd probably tell the rest of the players too honestly. If it were a game in a public place I'd probably be more lenient, but I would never risk having an actual pervert pedophile in my house.

As long as he dosent do or say anything "pedo"-y.

If he's trying to honestly change, don't give him another reason to relapse.

Like said, remove these people from your life and let them be someone else's problem, like the therapists or the prisons. There is NO justification for ever taking advantage of children, and it's not the kind of "mistake" you should ever forgive as a mistake.

I'd pretend I didn't know, if no 12 year olds are around/coming.

IIT people who should never have or be responsible for children ever.
For both the sake of the kids, and the gene pool in general.

I'm surprised at these responses. You all are really going to cast stones?

That analogy does not work. A store manager doesn't want to hire somebody convicted of theft because he's placed in a position where he's tempted to steal. If there aren't any young children in OP's group, then the pedophile won't have any temptations.

I guess it would be different if he made a little girl character or tried to rape girls in-game, but obviously that would be boot-worthy. And if he hasn't done that already, it's unlikely he'd be retarded enough to start.

Don't tell the rest of the players unless he says it's okay. That's betraying the trust he placed in you as a friend, and will inevitably lead to drama. The state already publicly embarrasses him enough. You don't need to make his social life any worse.

If he really creeps you out that much, then just talk with him and be upfront about it. But I don't think it should be that big of a deal if he's otherwise a nice person. It's not like he's violent, or a threat to you or anybody in your group.

>Don't tell the rest of the players unless he says it's okay.
H O L Y S H I T

If my DM ever pulled something like this on me, I'd never play in his games ever again. If you're going to bring a fucking sex offender to our sessions, you sure as hell better be letting me know about it. There's a reason the state has to tell people when this fucks move into your neighborhood.

OP, do NOT keep this a secret from your players. For the love of human sanity, don't knowingly deceive them about something this serious.

Quit being a bitch about it.

This passive aggressive crap is bad for DM's. Either be upfront with the guy and talk to him about it a bit more, or hard boot him.

If he isn't "That guy" as a player, there's no reason to boot him. He's there to play a game, just like the rest of you. The only game i'd keep him away from is that wandering loli brothel greentext one.

Unless the other players actively bring their kids to games what kind of asshole would even do this or you do it at someones house where there are kids, there's no problems. Just look out for any children characters you bring up.

Thes guys are correct OP.

If you're uncomfortable with him being there kick him. If he's not being a problem then you don't need to kick him. Plain simple

You need to calm the fuck down.

Bring it up with your players. Have them vote to kick him out. Everyone deserves a second chance and hes just trying to enjoy his fucking hobby but hes still a sex offender

This. It should be a vote by the group.

Eh, there's being a bitch and there's getting opinions about a tough situation. I'm leaning toward continuing play with him and letting him tell others in his own time if he wants to do so. We're all twenty-something dudes, nobody is going to have kids around. It also seems obvious to me that he would just GTFO of a situation with kids around.

Then again, and this is me of course being totally pedo-ist, what if I leave my desktop computer unlocked and he "goes to the bathroom" which is next to my computer room. His internet traffic is heavily monitored at home, and for all I know, he's itching for the chance to look up shit unmonitored. He said himself he was (is?) addicted. I could suddenly be in a heap of shit for some dude I can only barely consider a friend.

Speaking of opinions- damn, this thread is split right down the middle.

>Legitimately telling people who are upset over pedophiles to "calm down".

I bet you tell people they should calm down and forgive murderers too.

This might differ by state, but in mine level 1 sex offenders don't have to tell anyone.

>all these fucking assholes who know best

He paid his debt to society and continues to

He isn't interacting with any children

This is valuable socializing for him

Unless you game with children it doesn't matter

And no the other players don't have a right to know

Sex offenders do that user. Unfortunately, some people have all the awareness of a wild boor that got smacked across the face.

If you aren't using the internet, just shut it off. Or talk to the guy and be clear you don't want any of that shit on your internet. He was willing to tell you, which means he's ready to be told that kind of compromise.

Once again, he is there like the rest of you to play a game. Take measures to make sure his actions don't negatively affect your group or you, which seems to amount to talk to him about using your internet, and just play the game.

You are not the police, the courts, or the criminal justice system. You are not his KPA group, nor are you in any way obligated to even CARE about his shit.

Just play the damn game as if he hadn't said anything.

Kick him the fuck out user.

Man, the guy is admitting it was an addiction? I'm not sure what else you really need as far as convincing?

Yes, the risks are minimal, yes the social interaction is probably good for him, yes he's (supposedly) getting help.

All that being said, it is not your responsibility to help him. AT ALL. He's got an addiction to something that is morally disgusting, you don't need to compromise your own morality to be friends with him. Any consequences are entirely his fault and there is no reason to feel guilt over it at all.

The only reason the OP knows was because the guy shared the information in confidence. It would be betraying his trust for OP to expose him.

Even if you think he's an irredeemable bastard, he's still a human being and should be treated with that modicum of respect. OP should upfront with him and deal with it person-to-person, rather than making it into a goddamn witch hunt.

"Tier I Offenses (Level 1 Sex Offender) are typically of a non-violent nature with persons of the age of majority."

This guy isnt even a kiddie diddler, hes just into that hot teenager body and had a willing reciprocate since he didnt force them into anything

How would you feel if you fucked some 16 year old that might not have even told you that they were 16(because guess what, youre male. Youre expected to ask otherwise youre guilt) only for her to regret fucking some mid-early 20's dude, tell her parents and then youre 100% fucked.

Legitimately, how is it putting the other players at risk? It's not contagious.

>This guy isnt even a kiddie diddler, hes just into that hot teenager body and had a willing reciprocate since he didnt force them into anything

"So- do I kick him out? I've never really taken a moral stand like this before but turns out this dude's been in jail for taking pictures of his 12 year old sister without her knowing."

>The state publicly embarrassed him
This is the worst fucking thing i have ever heard in my entire life. M8 he embarrassed himself with his actions and by extension the entire human race when he decided to make CP INVOLVING HIS OWN SIBLING. I honestly believe in redemption to a certain point but sometimes their are stains on your soul a stint in jail and therapy can't remove. If it were me I'd just shut the game down and learn a valuable lesson about inviting fucking randos to my residence for D&D.

>turns out this dude's been in jail for taking pictures of his 12 year old sister without her knowing.

yeah, no

It's odd watching Veeky Forums of all places ostracise someone for a mental illness.

Why should you fucking care? Did he misbehave while you were DMing that you know of?

Why do you feel the need to add your justice sauce to his slice of hell? As long as he doesnt offend, why should he be punished? But if being a holy paragon of virtue is your kick, go for it.

It's one thing to have a mental illness, it's another to act on it.
Regardless of urges this man chose to do what he did.

This, level 1 is not likely to repeat either.

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It's frankly no one's business.

The guy was under zero obligation to even tell the OP, he did it as a courtesy. If he hadn't told him, OP's game would continue until the end and no one would know the difference.

The fact that people might react the way you are is EVIDENCE that it should be kept private.

I wonder how hot his sister was, honestly.

It's odd watching Veeky Forums of all places defend actual legitimate real-life pedophiles.

So it's a crime that much worse than murder? Because fucking murderers don't have to go through the social ostracization that sex offenders do.

And has never raped anyone else it would be higher. Likely it is "only" his porn habits.

They arent defending pedophilia. They're defending the right of a human being to live normally.

He's in therapy and isnt assaulting anyone as far as we know. Why should anyone bring mob justice to this guy?

Or should life for any sex offender be a living hell 24/7?

Kind of funny this guy is a lifelong felon for taking pictures of what a good 50% of this board has jacked off to in drawn form

Yeah it is.
At least Murder in some cases is justifiable, child fucking is unredeemable.

Sexual offenses scar victims for life, some of whom never recover, so in that sense it IS comparable to murder. The only difference is we usually don't let murderers back into society.

The dude literally admitted to taking pictures of his little sister. This isn't some weeb who wanking off to anime girls.

True, but he has not done that.

Im pretty sure the vast majority of people consider rape worse than murder.

This is a sex offender that hasnt even touched anyone at that.

Listen to yourself. You are actively defending CP production to a certain extent. I also didn't mension anything of murder but i also wouldnt want a fucking murderer that i dont really know at my dnd table.

Didn't say he did, I was just pointing out reasons why this is less acceptable.
Honestly the pics of 12 year old sister is unredeemable as well because it isn't justifiable meanwhile murder in some cases is.

Playing with you probably means a lot for him, I doubt there's too many people around who don't hate him. It might help him be a decent human being, and it doesn't sound like he actually did anything physical.

Then again the other players will hate you too if they found out that you were protecting a pedo.

So? The justice system already took care of him. You have no business persecuting a person on your own just because you feel like your self righteousness is enough to be judge, jury and executioner. Fuck off user.

>The only difference is we usually don't let murderers back into society.
Yeah we do. Only the worst serial killers don't. Some industrialized first world countries don't even do life sentencing, too.

>The dude literally admitted to taking pictures of his little sister. This isn't some weeb who wanking off to anime girls.
Still aint rape. Its a shit thing to do. But rape it is not.

This is simpler than we're making it, but it is still up to the OP:
Imagine someone you respect and whose opinion you value.
Now imagine yourself explaining to that person why you continue to spend time with and game with a pedophile of his caliber.
How do you feel about yourself and your explanation?
There's your answer.

I believe in redemption, but unless I was willing to defend his presence to others, I'd have a hard time justifying spending time with him.
But that's me. I'm here and not in the situation.

One thing is clear though, unless he told you this in the strictest of all confidences, and probably even still then, you should tell the group so they can decide for themselves.
Otherwise, they could find out the hard way, which is worse for everyone.

>Not justifiable

Fucking casuals

A large group of people would want him outright dead.

Another would want him in jail, at least.

And another subset wants to be a living lynch mob.

They won't even stop to consider severity. As soon as the words "Sex offender" were brought up, all of the above immediately jumped on board because they are some white knight group that feels some form of righteous vindication in lynch mobbing a guy that can't adequately defend himself anymore.

There's a reason you need to go through so many hoops to get a place in the justice system (aside from being a juror). Its because the average person isn't tempered enough to stop the lynch mob mentality.

Yeah, it's not your place to play judge & jury. The judge and actual jury did that.

It's also not your job to play therapist, his therapist is doing that.

Keep some perspective. You're playing a make pretend game with grown ups. The dude's life outside his ability to show up and roll dice without causing incident shouldn't be anyone's concern.

That said, it's useful knowledge if you plan to have children NPCs, maybe... don't.

And if the knowledge literally makes you uncomfortable to be around him, and reconciling that discomfort isn't something you want to do, then yeah remove him. Courteously.

I'm convinced half the people in this thread (if it's not 1 or 2 trolls samefagging) are defending the CP stuff purely for the sake of trolling or playing devils advocate.

I'd really really like to believe people aren't ACTUALLY stupid enough to buy into the arguments defending this.

>implying you shouldn't be able to decide who stays as a member on a make believe game you host

Hes also not suggesting persecuting him, hes suggesting not to associate with him, which hes very much not obligated to do.

If he's not a problem, don't kick him.

I don't know why he'd even tell you about this. Might be part of his therapy or something, but honestly, really should keep that shit to yourself.

I wouldn't want to know, as GM, but if a player did tell me this, and I thought they were a cool person, I wouldn't kick them.

In my online group (which certainly doesn't carry nearly as many risks, to be fair) I've got a sex offender (not a pedo, admittedly, though I know he browsed CP back in his middle school /b/ days like 8 years ago and give him shit for it all the time), a white supremacist, and worst of all, a Jew.

Murder, by legal definition, is unjustified.

Yes, people find taking advantage of children to be disgusting and inhuman because of "white knight" mentality. Yup, that's it. Keep telling yourself that.

Knee-jerk mob justice reactions are precisely what keeps pedos who haven't hurt anyone (yet) and want help from getting it. Which in turn drives them closer and closer to hurting someone.

So remember next time you want to start screaming "HANG THE PEDO!" that you're actually part of the problem.

No, i'm saying their lynch mob bullshit is white knight mentality.

You aren't a judge, a jury, an executioner, or a therapist. You are literally nothing in this equation and should treat yourself as such. They already did their jobs, you just keep playing the fucking game you set up and do yours.

>legal definition
>same legal definition that says theft is wrong but steals from its citizens

>Honestly the pics of 12 year old sister is unredeemable as well because it isn't justifiable
What if there was a medical emergency and he needed to take the pictures to show them to a doctor?

Thats because justified murder is often considered manslaughter

>the father beat his daughters rapist to death, we cant possibly hold him fully accountable but he still took another mans life

No one is defending him. I am just pointing out that he has not kidnaped a kid, put his penis inside of said kid and done it several times.
He has wanked off to a picture of his sister that he took without permission.

Thats not the same and everyone in this thread is disrespecting the victims of the former.by comparing them on the same grounds

I guess then it's justifiable but in this context it is not.

>collecting a portion of the money that you print, mint and distribute in the market that you established, protect and regulate is theft
Holy shit fuck off

Urinating in public can be prosecuted as a sex offense.

Teenagers sexting can be escalated to "production and distribution of prohibited material".

Well hey, if we're using moral relativism, then my morals say posting on Veeky Forums should be punishable by death.

Yeah. No. Dont be stupid.

I'm also not obligated to run a game for or associate with a person who did something that makes them sub-human trash in my eyes, just because it might "hurt their feelings". It's not my responsibility to pretend to be their friend because everyone (rightfully) hates them over a bad decision they chose to make.

I'm defending him because the guy had admitted he has an addiction and has already been punished by a legal system that is really fucking hard on sex offenders of all types. Anything OP does is excessive, and given his classification and crime he wasn't required to tell OP in anyway.

You are not a moral judge. You are not a legal judge. You aren't any kind of judge. So judge ye not, or be smoten

Assuming that he's actually enjoyable to be around, does not show signs of recidivism and you're okay woth running games for him, the only question you have to ask yourself is whether the other players would be happier not knowing.

Yes, sex crimes are terrible, particularly against children. But we as a society do not weigh them heavily enough to justify execution or life sentences, for the most part.

If you're going to release prisoners back into society, you have to be willing to give them a chance to go straight and experience the joys of a normal life or else you're consigning them to recidivism. If their daily lives aren't pleasant from time to time, or tolerable on average, they're going to go looking down the same path that got them arrested in the first place because it's the last time they found a reason to keep going.

"But I don't care if their lives are a living hell and they go back to jail," you might say. Tough shit; this isn't about helping them, it's about making sure they don't make more victims, and the best way to do that - short of executing them - is to rehabilitate them. Part of that means treating them like human beings even though you know what they've done.

If you can't stand having him at the table, fine. Try to ease him out of the group as gently as possible, because by your own words he's been a stand-up guy until now and you'd have loved to keep him around but for this knowledge.

(OP here)

He hid a camera to intentionally film his 12 year old sister changing. He also admitted to viewing and seeking out kiddy porn online. So, not the same thing.

That's the entire point, though. Those people aren't considered "murderers" except, maybe, by the prejudiced or uninformed. But the claim was that "some" murder is justifiable.

The comparison is playing DnD with a convicted sex offender vs. a convicted murderer, not someone who "just" committed manslaughter. Don't move the goalposts.

>that you print
>implying that all civilizations have printed their money when many in the past just used standard gold
>the market that you established, protect and regulate
>implying that inside any government other than socialist that they established the market
>implying that it's optional to choose this 'protection' which is generally slow and ineffective
>implying it's okay that to steal from your citizens to provide lackluster protection for them that's not even optional
>literally forcing someone to buy a service they may not even want or use

>Im pretty sure the vast majority of people consider rape worse than murder.
Such an idiotic mindset. Literally just a bunch of thirsty whiteknighting drones cucking for feminists.

Absolutely true. But one should strive for enlightenment, and some people here compare a level 1 offender with a level 3.
They are worlds apart.

Look, leave it another session, if it's still fucking eating you inside, you can ask him to bring it up with the other players, and if another session passes without that happening, you tell the players yourself.

You're clearly in a situation where the risk of FULL LIFE CONSEQUENCES are minimal, the crime isn't really that extreme, and this guy can't be unperson-ed for the rest of his life. If you immediately throw them in a furnace for being decent and telling you about it, odds are they just won't tell the next GM they find about it because it's too much drama.

Your players would certainly like to know as well, and are likely to have issues, but you literally just found this out, you shouldn't go fucking hysterical and tell them literally ASAP. Just make sure it gets brought up if it becomes relevant or there is an appropriate time, and in a reasonably timely fashion so you don't have to play the fucking secret-keeper or whatever.

Gossip can travel as slow or fast as you choose to allow it.

>"But I don't care if their lives are a living hell and they go back to jail".

Thats it. That's where the argument should end. Nobody is under any obligation to care beyond this, especially if they're sane and have any sense or morality, or even simply don't want to get dragged into the kind of shit that tends to swirl around people who have fucked up their lives like this.

I mean, it's a risk/reward thing, OP. On one hand, you have a relatively low risk of any of this coming back to bite you. On the other hand, if it DOES come back to bite you, you're looking at (potentially) hard time and having to tell your neighbors that you're a sex offender. Plus, if he IS a pretty cool dude, you can never just go to the movies or something with him, or chill at the park.

Honestly, I dunno if I could be friends with someone who wanted to fugg his 12 year old sister. Is the dude a creep? Is he deformed or something? You said the group was "mid 20's" but did this happen when he was barely 18, or was this 6 months ago?

>yes user, very good. People do not change, and criminals must never be allowed to escape

To be honest, even if it was "just" manslaughter I'd still rather play with someone who filmed his little sister changing. At least he wouldn't fucking kill me if he happened to get mad.