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>Lore Resources
[The Imperial Library] imperial-library.info/
[/r/teslore] reddit.com/r/teslore/
[UESP/Lore] uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Main_Page
[Pocket Guide to the Lore] docs.google.com/document/d/1AtsWXZKVqB4Q825_SwINY6z4_9NaGknXgeOknOCDuCU/edit
[Elder Lore Podcast] elderlore.wordpress.com/
[How to Become a Lore Buff] forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1112211-how-to-become-a-lore-buff/

>General Rules
This is NOT /tesg/ minus waifus, so behave properly.
Keep the squabbling to a minimum.
No waifus/husbandos except for Malviser

Previous Kalpa:

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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagon
imperial-library.info/content/interviews-skeleton-man
en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal,_v_7
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

How does it feel, when the lore of your games is decided by a braindead mainchild going: "Man, wouldn't it be cool if vikings fought dragons"?

I'm protected from their petty magicks by my enchanted C0DA gear.

>Destruction Edition
Glad to see Alteration is being mentioned, the vastly encompassing school that it is.

IsTamriel round? Does its people know it's round?

>channeling entropy = effecting physical change
Take your straw man shit elsewhere, faggot.

Nirn might be, but based on the field of view over the Imperial City during the destruction of Umaril's soul, Tamriel isn't. I recall reading about an astrolabe that appeared in either Arena or Daggerfall that implies that at least some people believe Nirn is round.

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What if the Dreaugh are part of the Hist, which actually stretches far into the ocean? Think about it, they're both said to be from a previous kalpa, dreaugh and argonian both go through stages of metaorphosis varying between beast and humanoid. The draugh are also found only in the south of Vvardenfell and the south east of Cyrodiil in the games (idk about TESO).

"Dreugh"

There's a free weekend for ESO incase any of you are interested

There are Dreugh around Sheogorad.

Why is the Sheogorad region called that way? Does it have anything to do with Sheogorath?

Why is Azura's coast region called that way? Does it have anything to do with Azura?

Why is Dagon Fel called that way? Does it have anything to do with Dagon?

The answer is sort of."Malacath, Mehrunes Dagon, Molag Bal, and Sheogorath ... Through time they have sometimes become associated with local enemies, like the Nords, Akaviri, or Mountain Orcs." I'll look more into it.

The Shrine of Azura is located along the southern reach of the coast.

Also, the Dunmer who named the regions worshiped Daedra. Vvardenfel is a rough place to live - of course it's going to be associated with the Daedra.

Way I see it, it's a mockery of Azura. Note how it's the same biome as Azura's coast in spite of Solstheim-latitude similarity and thus should be colder, yet Sheo makes it exactly like Azura's Coast. Like, "fuck you bitch, I'm painting my house the same color and landscaping my yard the same way."

So is Dagoth Ur a reanimated puppet that the Heart is using to construct Akulakhan via Dreamers, utilizing corprus as a way to gather material for its soft tissues?
If so, is the Heart trying to revive Lorkhan, or an independent entity that plans on ruling Tamriel with Dagoth Ur as its voice and the Sixth House as its army?

I just figured it had to do with wind currents, like how weather in Europe is different than in places in America with similar Longitude.

Either way, naming the rocky barren coast filled with iconoclastic wizards sounds a bit like an insult, were it not for the fact that Telvanni are most like Seht who is Azura.

Dagon has some relation to fish. I'd wager that the name translates to something like Fish or Fishing village.

Heavy daedric influence in religion, even under ALMSIVI. Peoples, especially earlier cultures have a habit of naming things after their beliefs

Nah, Ur is using the Heart for his own machinations. The Big L acts through his Shezarrines and the Void Ghost, but the Heart belong to the Wheel.

It doesn't have exactly the same plants, or quite as much dense foliage at least as far as I felt.

It may be that the coast is so rocky and hard to navigate it drives sailors mad. Or literally it's Sheogorath's.

I really like all the Daedric ruins in Vvardenfel on that note. The respect the Dunmer have for Daedra and the sheer hostility of the environments around them have let them stand when other provinces would have torn them down.

Dagon has relation to fish IRL. Mehrunes Dagon has no relation to fish.

Fel means City, so the literal translation would be Dagon City.

The fuck? Why would Nirn be that shape?

It's CHIM I ain't gotta explain shit

Does Tamriel have porn pictures or is it just the Lusty Argonian Maid?

Pornography is pretty normal for any society that doesn't actively repress it, and I'm pretty sure the Imperial Cult doesn't give much of a shit. So I would assume there's porn.

The followers of Dibella have got you covered.

>filled with iconoclastic wizards
How exactly are Telvanni iconoclastic?

But they only do lesbian stuff. What if I want to see straight porn.

you fuck off back to /tesg/

this

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagon
>Proposed representation of "Dagon, the fish-god

but it's only the /teslg/ that has porn, not /tesg/.

why couldn't the tribunal beat dagoth urs goons when some bumfuck adventurer could?

Do you even lore?
Several 'bumfuck adventurers' died trying to be the Nerevarine.
The one off the boat got lucky. And btw, read the fucking material. The Tribunal couldn't replenish their divinity because Ur and friends ambushed Seht and Ayem last time they tried. The Nerevarine was the last hope as the Tribunal weakened and Ur grew stronger.

Because Dagoth Ur needed the Nerevarine to bring Wraithguard to finish Akulakhan.

Who is the Nerevarine? Like in the context of CHIM and the godhead?

An adventurer who fulfilled Azura's prophesy. A person born under certain stars and signs. While obviously not story accurate, he could've died just like anyone else

>Like in the context of CHIM and the godhead?
What is it with loretards needing everything to fit into their perfect coda CHIM godhead enantiomorph bullshit?
The Nerevarine was a role Azura kept pushing until it stuck, a tool for vengeance against the Tribunal, a tool turned against the Sixth House, and a vengeance in spirit against all those who murdered or might-have-murdered Lord Indoril Nerevar.
The Nerevarine was an adventurer and a tool who saved Nirn and then fucked off to Akavir because it was inconvenient for future stories for he or she to hang around.

Mehrunes Dagon isn't the same as IRL Dagon, you retard. Mehrunes Dagon doesn't have anything to do with fish, Dagon from IRL mythology does.

Replaying Skyrim right now, so if I get it right, one of the initiates of the Chantry of Auri-el infected the Arch-Curate?
Also how come some of the falmer seem to have wing sprouts

>falmer seem to have wing sprouts
Wut

Oh they're from Dawnguard, I haven't played that...

>Also how come some of the falmer seem to have wing sprouts
Because they evolved from the kwama, but the cold of skyrim doesn't let them float very well so they needed wings instead of reach high places.
I think it's a cool theory, and that's all that matters.

>instead of
instead to*

What ? how could farmer have evolved from kwama ?

Oh, I thought by "wing sprouts" you meant the chaurus hunter, since they have wings and sprout from their regular form.

He meant feral falmers which may or may not be vampiric

nirn is flat and cure disease potions cause autism

So tell me, /tgesg/, why do you not despair?

Begone, foul Daedra! Man's Mystery is not for you to understand.

You will wither and die, insignificant mortal

Elder Scrolls VI is gonna suck

Don't be silly, user. It's gonna have working ladders, climbable mountains, VR, and the combat system's gonna be very similar to For Honor. Why don't you pre-order it right now?

> the combat system's gonna be very similar to For Honor
>VR

Come on user, don't you want to use your dick as a sword and do an overhead attack on a lusty Argonian? In Virtual Reality? Are you a homo user? Are you a dream boy?

>It's e3 2017
>all of the events have finished
>people are about to leave
>suddenly the ground starts to shake
>a lone figure emerges from the shadows
>It's Todd
>and he's achieved CHIM
>he's come to grant us mortals one final gift
>the final elder scrolls game
>a game is not the right description
>more like a simulation of the elder scrolls universe
>climbable mountains every where
>all of tanerial us able to be explored
>can even go to lyg or akavir
>end game is the player actually achieving CHIM
>Todd was lorkhan after all

Toddposting outside of /v/ is the worst.

Idiots believing in the ''Yokuda is da past , Akavir is da future!'' theory instead of them being shards of the former Kalpas that landed on the current Nirn after Dagon tricked Alduin by hiding those places so they didn't get eaten.

Then Alduin ate Dagon and like Trinimac he ended up like shit after that.

A person born under the sign of the Serpent who may alter their future.

No really it's lore.
The serpent is the only birth-sign that isn't fixed and wanders among the other signs.
So someone born under the Serpent can also be born under the thief or lord.

But the same author is the one who said both of those things.

t. Todd

Take that back.

They are literally described as iconoclastic in Morrowind.

>"House Telvanni matches the disposition of my brother Sotha Sil -- iconoclastic, profane, unconventional." – Vivec

is there a good read about holidays and their meanings in tamriel?

>Why are many areas in Morrowind named after Daedra? Dagon Fell, Azura's Coast, Bal Ur and the various regions with Molag in the name, and Sheogorad all seem to be related to Daedra. Do the Dark Elves have some relation with the Daedra, possibly involving the Tribunal?

>Coewryn Shelly, Breton Scholar, Center for Provinicial Religious Studies, Caldera:
Daedra, like Gods to the other cultures, are sacred to the Dunmer. They even consider Boethiah as the first of their kind. Well, I should say some of the Daedra are sacred and some are not and some enjoy the nebulous positions of being Adversaries. These Adversaries are also known as the "Four Corners of the House of Troubles," and a special place is reserved for them in the mythology of the Tribunal. At any rate, it is nothing really remarkable that many of their districts and quarters are named after the Daedra. I'll grant that, to strangers, it may seem odd that the Dunmer hold the darker powers in esteem; rest assured, though, the Morrowind is not a heathen den of demon worshippers.

imperial-library.info/content/interviews-skeleton-man

Educate yourselves.

Also, seeing that High Rock 3E427 from Project Tamriel suddenly got some more attention, give me your Breton headcanons.

no

I guess I just never heard the common definition of "iconoclastic."
The actual word if anything, implies the farthest thing from religious cynicism.

The Bretons of the northern Highlands are more Scottish. They invented the claymore, and having more Nordic/Nedic blood fits thematically.

Destroying iconogrophy? I'd be surprised if the people who hate religion and politics weren't the type to destroy religious and political icons.

I always figured the magic resistance came from the Direnni slavery, implying that the use of magic was used in part for controlling Nedic slaves.

We still don't know whether or not it's an innate genetic thing that came from previous conditions, or if "Weaned on magicka" is still canon and Bretic mothers cast illusions or pure magicka or whatnot on their kids.

Also, we don't entirely know what Dragonskin is. Nordic Woad is understandable, Orcs going berserk makes sense, Redguards having enough control over their endocrine system to produce adrenaline when needed makes sense, but what do Bretons do to activate Dragon Skin?

This fits nicely as I thought that forested area around Northpoint could draw inspiration from the Caledonian Forest.

The idea of iconoclasm, as the word actually came to be, is derived from the belief that depicting images of the divine is sacrilegious and against the commandments of god. It was driven by zealotry, not hatred for religion.

Islam is iconoclastic

>Also, we don't entirely know what Dragonskin is
An interesting question. I don't like Dragonskin personally, as it's just a stronger version of Woad you already mentioned, and doesn't have any lore-related reason to exists. What's worse, in Skyrim it got turned into Spell Absorption spell.

>some of the falmer seem to have wing sprouts
Feral vampire lords.

As with most of the racials, realistically it's just something the Hero has as a pronounced expression of their racial characteristics. I highly doubt all Nords can deliver an Icy Punch once a day.

I find it pretty useful in Morrowind and Oblivion, since I play mages who use Bound Weapons. It can mean the difference between life and death in a battle.

In Skyrim, being a Breton is amazing. Fighting dragons with Magic Resist, Atronach Stone, and Dragon skin on makes you a god. I never used it much, though, since I rolled Restoration and had free Wards that absorbed magicka for me.

Skyrim racials are hilariously imbalanced. Altmer get an insane 50 magicka, Bretons get one of the best passives and actives, and Orcs get the hands down best active.

Meanwhile Bosmer are stuck with a shitty animal follower.

Good, Bosmer deserve only the worst.

From the way they're described, they sound like pretty nice people. Down to earth, humble, scorning pretense, and living a simplistic life.

I'd much rather chill out and go fishing with a Autismer than an Orc or a Nord. Or god forbid an Altmer who complains that it's too hot, and it's too cold, and it's too rainy and that he might get zapped.

The way you describe it, the altmer sounds like they are french

Tell me about kalpas. Do they actually exist in-game or is it just more C0DA shit?

If you're coming into a lore thread already dismissing a lore source, then why even bother

I just think it's worth differentiating between something that appears in a game from something that one of the game's writers wrote about on reddit or whatever. Same way you wouldn't treat Rowling's tweets about demisexual basilisks the second way as something published in a book. Sorry if that bothers you.

I'd still like to know about the kalpas either way, I'd just like to know where the information is coming from.

I didn't know the French complained about their elemental weaknesses.

Agreed

>Player:"I need to stop Alduin."
>Paarthurnax:"Yes. Alduin…Zeymah. The elder brother. Gifted, grasping and troublesome, as is so often the case with firstborn. But why? Why must you stop Alduin?"
>Player:"I like this world. I don't want it to end."
>Paarthurnax:"Pruzah. As good a reason as any. There are many who feel as you do, although not all. Some would say that all things must end, so that the next can come to pass. Perhaps this world is simply the Egg of the next kalpa?Lein vokiin? Would you stop the next world from being born?"

Do you even lore?

Furthermore:
>[Presently] the half-Elf [showed himself] bathed in [Meridianlight] ... and he listed his bloodline in theAyleidoonand spoke of his father, a god of the [previous kalpa's] World-River and taking great delight in the heavy-breathing of Pelinal who had finally bled...
en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal,_v_7

Why is dragonstar in skyrim?

What's your favorite schools of magic from the games and/or in lore?

Alchemy was best game-wise in Morrowind but mysticism was the most interesting - you were manipulating ethereal forces to trap souls or cast mark and recall. Alteration was great, and another very useful school.

Other than the crafting skills, alteration was my favorite in Skyrim. The flesh spells were ok but paralysis was a way to unlock ez mode (though there were lots of ez modes in skyrim)

Overall I think alteration is the best, because you are literally altering reality by exerting your willpower on it

Everything is really just a subset of mysticism.

All magic school labels are arbitrary anyways

arbitrariness itself is a subset of mysticism

mysticism itself is a subset of mysticism.

Morrowind is Alteration or Alchemy

Oblivion is Alteration or Mysticism

Skyrim's a bit of everything, but less so with destruction. Alteration, Restoration, and Conjuration especially, but illusion has its uses.

Anyone have any art of Nibenese people? I'm wondering how they might dress.

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(Nibenese on the right)

Personally my favorites for both game and lore are Conjuration and Mysticism. I was really sad that they removed Mysticism in skyrim, was there ever an explanation for it most of the spells are in the game.