ARMS AND ARMOUR THREAD

All Japanese primary sources claimed a kill count of tens of thousands to several MILLIONS to "every single one of them". That is, enough to kill the entire Ming army at Korea several times over.

So jarring, that even the most conservative estimate (from the Japanese side) is till 6000 (more than the total number of Ming troops present)

>But they look nothing like the Osprey picture.
>The "Northern Song round collar" you posted is actually opened at the side. Notice how it has a front-back dress instead of a left-right one like the osprey.
That's my entire point,the Osprey robe isn't the round collared robe but the coat shown in

If you read my previous replies I've already addressed this >The Tang era round collared robe you linked has no visible frontal opening and has a side split.

As the Osprey doesn't actually quote the source they used either they are using a source such as Jun Qi Tu Shuo or they happened to make a mistake that turned out to match a different source.

>says that the Ming elites suffered more casualties
No,we don't actually know the amount of Ming casualties because Li Rusong purposely under reported and the primary source(Jinglue Fuguo Yaobian) also states that alot of the missing men were able to regroup with the main force.

The Korean source(Seonjo Sillok) is a second hand account by a southern Ming general who never actually participated in the battle.

The Japanese sources are completely unreliable,they over inflate their enemies as well as the amount of Ming dead(Just as the Ming did to the Japanese).

It's actually far easier to calculate Japanese casualties,Nihon Senshi has a headcount of Japanese soldiers with the Tachibana suffering heavy casualties.
historum.com/asian-history/46431-chinese-contribution-imjin-war-overlooked-29.html

>No,we don't actually know the amount of Ming casualties because Li Rusong purposely under reported

That's what his superiors accused him of, anyway. No real way to know. Still, every account seems to say that the Ming ate it worse than the Japanese did.

>All Japanese primary sources claimed a kill count of tens of thousands to several MILLIONS to "every single one of them"

Not all of them, actually, just the ones from later on in the Edo period. The contemporary ones for Byeokjegwan actually only claim 6,000 killed. Then there's a later one with an absolutely *hilarious* figure of 20,000. Damn near two thirds of the *entire fucking Ming force* in the theater.

Most of which were probably Korean civilians and Korean Soldiers under Joint command of Ming China/Joseon Korea.

Actually some later battles show a much higher number of Ming troops than Korean auxiliaries. Like, the 1598 siege of Sacheon involved around 21,000-30,000 Chinese troops and only about 2,200 Koreans.

>That's my entire point,the Osprey robe isn't the round collared robe but the coat shown in

I think I get your point now, although I still maintain that Osprey robe look nothing like it is supposed to be.

That is some extreme fabrication right there.

>Not all of them, actually, just the ones from later on in the Edo period.

As far as I am aware, the most conservative 6000 kill count come from 19~20th century history books, not contemporary accounts.

>The Japanese matchlock out-ranged the Korean bow & Arrow.
While the statement is generally true, it is not "Japanese" arquebus that outrange "Korean bow". It is "arquebus outrange bow". Period.

Korean pyeonjeon still outrange arquebus though.

The Japanese arquebus is more accurate, has longer range, greater penetrative capabilities and reloads faster (Apparently), according to Japanese and Korean records.

>Korean pyeonjeon still outrange arquebus though.
But can it pierce Japanese armor and inflict a deadly/crippling blow at that range?