Previously, on /5eg/: What's your favorite setting that doesn't get enough love nowadays?
Dominic Mitchell
I'm playing an arcane trickster and my gm just said I could take my spells from any 2 schools of magic instead of just illusion and enchantment.
What spells/schools are worth considering? I don't normally play casters, so I'm at a bit of a loss.
My character's ideal is "I'm a thief, not a murderer", so try not to recommend spells that have no other use than to fuck someone up.
Caleb Nelson
Oh god not this again
John Kelly
Ayo hol up
Isaiah Myers
Transmutation and conjuration are always helpful and versatile, which would be useful for a thief. Honestly, illusion is of least use to a rogue because he can already do a lot of that sort of stuff without using magic.
If you want something to not come up again, why drag it into a new thread instead of leaving it in the old, dying thread?
Leo Cox
There are other ways of learning spells other than being a murderhobo.
Justin Miller
Sorry guys. One more thing before I go to sleep cause more hospital appointments...
What's the recommended Read Order for all the books?
Assuming I'll be dipping my hand into DMing that is.
Starter Set Rules (I assume are the same as Free Basic Rules?) --> PHB --> DMG --> MM --> SCAG --> EE --> Volo's?
If I'm not, will the Starter --> PHB --> SCAG --> EE ---> DMG ---> MM ---> Volo's be best?
Or does it not particularly matter? Or should it be Starter --> PHB and then any order after t hat?
Thanks in advance.
John Russell
Hold person
Daniel Gonzalez
What do you dislike about the vanilla rules allowing spell learning through killing stuff user?
Josiah Hernandez
This isn't relevant to your question, but has anyone ever tried playing the opposite ideal? "I'm a murderer, not a thief." That seems like it would be more interesting.
Gavin Adams
>Starter Set Rules (I assume are the same as Free Basic Rules?) --> PHB --> DMG --> MM --> SCAG --> EE --> Volo's? This
Xavier Johnson
If you want to be a DM, the first one is the exact order.
Asher Powell
>This isn't relevant to your question, but has anyone ever tried playing the opposite ideal? "I'm a murderer, not a thief." That seems like it would be more interesting. I ran an arcane trickster that was an assassin. Spells focused on inflicting pain and getting into/out of areas unseen.
It was fun.
Gabriel Diaz
>I'm a murderer, not a thief
So, just a regular PC then?
Daniel Harris
how much does it cost to pay a dude to identify some magic objects?
Easton Bennett
I'd say PCs are more of a "why not both" type situation
Connor Powell
regular PCs wouldn't balk at stealing things.
I'm talking about a guy who sees nothing wrong with murder, maybe even takes pride in it, but will absolutely refuse to steal anything.
So like Krombopulos Michael but with one moral compunction.
Aaron Watson
Why not just spend an hour with the item, and automatically identify it?
Wyatt Allen
>Honestly, illusion is of least use to a rogue because he can already do a lot of that sort of stuff without using magic. Blur and mirror image are pretty decent for a rogue
James Perry
Thanks lads.
Wyatt Davis
That's what I mean by "play them up".
No create food and water. Lesser restoration has expensive components added (possibly different prices for each type of effect). Remove curse only removes one curse at a time, and is not free. Resurrection spells cost more, or have some non-financial cost such as those mentioned in 3.x heroes of horror.
Make the ways of ignoring those issues less easily had.
Is that a bad idea for a survival heavy campaign?
Colton Sanders
>Is that a bad idea for a survival heavy campaign? Ask the group if they want it. Some people are into it, some aren't
William Baker
CoS game coming up soon.
Should I conspire with my fellow players and have us all make monstrous races character sheets unbeknowns to the DM and drop them all on him at the start of the first session?
Kevin Phillips
That's kind of shitty of you guys.
t. a DM.
Austin Rivera
Other than PAM, what can I do to get some good bonus actions on a Barbarian? Storm Herald.
Jayden Sullivan
I don't get it
Oliver Howard
What's a good module to run for new players? I wanted to run CoS, but it seems like it's probably too unforgiving for them.
Robert Sullivan
>planning on running LMoP for strangers on roll20 Someone talk me out of it please
Luis Morgan
shield master GWM charger
Lucas Rodriguez
Lost Mines.
Gavin Campbell
...
Kayden Long
I'm doing lost mine into curse of strahd for my new group
Austin Lopez
No game is better than a bad game.
Oliver King
sure if you want your DM to have you all remake characters, thus wasting that session.
Samuel Cook
>midori akujin
Jason Fisher
>Only have a session every other week >It only lasts 2-3 hours
Jackson Gomez
Most fun fighter type?
Thinking monster hunter or samurai
John Evans
>supposed to have a weekly session >winds up being every other week because someone always fucks up their schedule the day before >only 2-3 hours because someone has to go to bed at 8 fucking pm every day
Jayden Harris
Battlemaster is the only fun Fighter.
Jace Richardson
What's the most fun type of character to play in 5e?
Lincoln Martin
>Half the party didnt even show up even having one session per two weeks
Ryan Allen
are you my group?
Every fucking week, we start at the same time, on the same fucking day. Every god damn time "sorry guys, had to do some stuff." It's like BITCH WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR THREE YEARS NOW! HOW HAVE YOU NOT LEARNED TO SCHEDULE SOMETHING THE DAY BEFORE OR AFTER?
Wyatt Evans
This is why I'm making a campaign and I don't care who the fuck shows up late or not at all. Did you have to go make dinner for gram-gram? Your character got left at the fucking inn. Were we in the middle of a dungeon last session? Your character has crippling diarrhea or something, or we're playing a completely different side-adventure right now. >D&D Gaiden
Mason Gray
>2 sessions a week >each 5 hours
Austin Bailey
Why
Jacob Parker
>on a flying beetle in a cave with my party >tendrils come down from the ceiling to grab most of us >I get out of it because DM rolled a 12 and my AC is 15 Feels so good when that happens.
Sebastian Watson
Best is always personal prefrence
Mason Bailey
Why do you try to hurt me
David Bailey
>Longest campaign: over a month OVER A MONTH YOU SAY? WOOOOOW
For you. Lots of players like EK. I've even heard rumors of a Champion who enjoyed the game. Couldn't verify them, though.
Charles Phillips
I've experienced this and while it's not ideal it certainly beats micromanaging 3 afk PCs between us
Michael Brown
>grappling against AC
Wyatt Young
People who like EK also enjoy playing Champion, because that's exactly what they're doing. They are playing a Champion without extra crits, and the only time they ever cast a spell is when they get hit so they can say "no that didn't hit me" or "i have resistance to that damage".
Find me an EK that doesn't have Shield and Absorb Elements. Pro Tip: YOU CAN'T
Sebastian Morris
obviously they were sticky tentacles that passively ensare things you think some cave creature is just blasting sonar or staring into the inky darkness so it knows every time something is near its tendrils? fuck no biology, son
Michael Bell
But it had sonar to know you were there to lower the tendrils. Internal logic 0/5
Jacob Harris
>Find me an EK that doesn't have Shield and Absorb Elements. >Pro Tip: YOU CAN'T
Shit user, when you're forced to choose between shitty evocation and highly synergistic abjuration what would you choose?
Jose Moore
That's how most NPCs do it, usually as part of another attack.
Isaac Fisher
No, it heard the beetle.
Kevin Rodriguez
It's like that for many monster attacks.
Leo Thompson
Yeah, but doesn't it usually have a saving throw?
Bentley Lewis
Good god.
If you're not ever going to show up, then you're not invited.
If I don't have at least 4 players I won't run a session. So I try to have at least 5 players, but showing up is a fucking necessity.
I'm also not a fan of when you get that player who won't build their own character or never levels them up, and expects someone else to do it for them so they just have to show up on game day and not actually do anything themselves.
Bentley Morris
Nope. Usually it's auto-grapple on a hit with a set escape DC if the target tries to escape later.
Andrew Perry
it really works like that?
Logan Morales
Every god damn week: >hey guys gonna be late today, my parents needed help moving a couch from one room to another
A.) They couldn't move the couch on sunday? 2.) Why did it take three hours to move the couch from one room to another?
Bentley Peterson
Had to check and seems I was wrong.
Jason Carter
Tell them they can't keep everyone waiting. Put their other shit on a different day. If they can't, tell them as far as your concerned they have shown themselves to have a scheduling conflict with the game and are effectively unavailable on game day, and they can't continue to make everyone wait for them, it's very inconsiderate. Either find a way to fit the game into their schedule or find another game.
This goes double if you're not friends with them outside of gaming.
Kevin King
not the DM, sadly.
Hunter Morgan
Which maneuvers should I take as a battle master? I'm gonna be the party's tank and main source of melee damage. Should I go sword and board or two handed weapon? It's my first time playing a fighter
Josiah Edwards
Ugh. Talk to your DM about it and tell them how frustrating it is to everyone else.
Is the one holding up the group the dm's girlfriend or something?
John Flores
Trip, if your party is heavy on melee. Parry, if you're the only thing approaching a tank. Disarm, if you think you'll be fighting plenty of humanoids. Riposte, if you're the big damage dealer. Lunging, if you're Bugbearmont. Pushing, if your DM will facilitate your environmental shenanigans. Precision, if you want to spam GWM / Sharpshooter. Menacing, A L W A Y S . Commander's, if you have a Rogue.
Cooper Howard
nah we're all bros, but shit some of those assholes are unreliable. Problem is, when one asshole does it, fine we play without them, when two assholes do it, or when one person actually has some real life shit to deal with (hey it happens) then we get screwed.
For the few times that i did run a game, we started promptly at 3, anyone who wasn't there, wasn't there.
Robert Davis
>tfw I was about to type this out verbatim again Thanks, bro.
Grayson Green
I'm thankful to you for making it in the first place. Especially since it's very æsthetically organised.
Christopher Campbell
One of my players is fond of the Catapult spell, which raises a question in my mind - I was thinking of using a Flesh Golem next session, and their damage immunity says they're immune to B/S/P damage from nonmagic, non-adamantine weapons. Does this immunity extend to bludgeoning damage from the spell?
RAW it seems not, but I'm not sure if that makes much sense to me. On the other hand, it already gets advantage on the save, and there's not a lot of options to hurt the thing since there's only one magic weapon in the group (though two have access to Shilellagh).
John Cooper
>and there's not a lot of options to hurt the thing since there's only one magic weapon in the group (though two have access to Shilellagh). there's always fire user, good ol' fashioned, american fire.
Hunter Wright
Fair point; the golem doesn't ignore fire damage (which it did in 3.5 even if it Slowed the golem).
Adam Morris
To those who were less than impressed by Wizard's efforts, how would you design the classes or what would you keep or change?
Asher Scott
Sorcerer getting unique magic.
Chase Cook
Sorcerer getting more meta magics
Brayden Collins
All martials have access to maneuvers Barbarians-access to some melee AOE/CC Monks-d10 hitdice, give them choice in stats (class powers choose between one of two stats) Sorcerer-spell points by default, sorc exclusive spells
Jack Brown
>melee AOE Isn't that stepping on the rangers toes?
Gabriel Myers
Thanks m8!
Lucas Foster
Giving sorcerers a smaller spell list
Liam Moore
Not him but fuck rangers
Jacob Rivera
>Isn't that stepping on the rangers toes? Doesn't everything?
Mason Robinson
Barbs don't need to hit or be hit every round to maintain Rage. Fuck that noise.
Sorcs get a few more SP and can spend one to change the elemental typing of a spell; major energies (fire / lightning / acid / cold) can be exchanged for each other, negative / positive can be exchanged, but force and thunder are stuck as-is. Sorc-only spells.
Fighters have an ASI at 10; Extra Attack x3 moved to 18, an actual capstone given at 20. Some kind of general utility ribbon that isn't linked to archetypes, given at a relatively low level (5-8) so they can fucking do something out of combat.
Monks to d10 HP, Charger for free at some point.
Remove Pact of the Blade from Warlocks so those fuckers stop trying to melee. No one wants you in their party. STOP. "Required" invocations that buff Eldritch Blast given for free. EB scaling fixed so none of this "lol I took one level of Warlock and now I have the best damage cantrip in the game at full power forever" shit.
Rogues get the Thief's Fast Hands by default. Replace the Thief's thing with something else.
Remove Bard.
Ranger spellcasting operates like a Paladin. All spells are known, and you can choose to memorize X each long rest. Why the fuck do they have one of the shittiest spell lists AND the shittiest known/mem/cast scheme?
Wizard players must wear a post-it note on their forehead that reads "DON'T LET THIS FUCKER GET AWAY WITH EVERYTHING" or their spells don't function.
Noah Torres
>Remove Bard.
FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS
Gabriel Fisher
>Remove Bard.
Jaxon Peterson
>Barbs don't need to hit or be hit every round to maintain Rage. Fuck that noise.
You probably know this, but just in case you don't, it's important to note that a barbarian doesn't have to hit. He just has to *attack* (or take damage). So you can miss your attacks all day as long as you're making them. And it can be any attack, so if you keep some darts or javelins ready, you can throw one to keep your rage going if you can't get to an enemy, and the damage isn't horrible since you can use your Strength on it.
Nolan Johnson
For example?
Why?
Brody Ward
>Barbs don't need to hit or be hit every round to maintain Rage I recently found out that they only need to make an attack (which can also be a grapple or shove attempt) in order to maintain rage. Makes it a lot more bearable. This also means they can throw a rock or weapon or whatever at an enemy at disadvantage just to have it persist if they're too far.
Nicholas Collins
Remove sharpshooter Remove GWM Make all martials do slightly more damage to compensate
Angel Rodriguez
>as I turn the capstan to open the portcullis, I verbally attack the concept of trickle-down economics and let our foes know that the Laffer curve was debunked the day it was scrawled on a napkin
Xavier Adams
Bards are stupid and casting spells by strumming your banjo is retarded. Sorcerers, wizards and druids already represent the archetypes of magical prowess and bards just get magic "because". A guy whistling real good shouldn't be able to rain down meteors.
Jayden Cooper
I feel like letting all martials use battle master tactics, but I feel like that would dissuade people from fighter even further. Is there anything else I can give battle master to make him better, or is this just a bad idea all together?
Joseph Stewart
>(You)
Aaron Clark
>Bardfags falling for such an obvious Vicious Mockery This is why I have the most (You)s
Angel Anderson
>A guy whistling real good shouldn't be able to rain down meteors. Fuck you.
Adrian Ward
>not playing a Path of the Proletariat Barbarian THE TRIBULATIONS OF THE WORKING CLASS FILLS ME WITH RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION AND A DESIRE TO SEIZE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION
Asher Long
>Not wanting to play a lone ranger like character who uses a hand crossbow, knife, and a harmonica to use magic
It's like you don't want people to have fun
Anthony Hughes
Make him a goddamn battle master and let them switch up their abilities on long rest?