Is this the worst official SM paint scheme that isn't a 30 year old meme from Rogue Trader?
Logan Lewis
>Emperor's Shields more like the emperor's jesters
Jeremiah Wood
Why are autocannons so best?
Gavin Parker
Who's tougher? Plague marine or Rubric marine vs one wound stuff?
Also if you're hit by a d3 damage, you don't get the +1 right? As you resolve saves before damage even if later it does 1 damage?
Anthony Edwards
How do I get a looted Knight?
Parker Wilson
Are they? What makes them good?
Brayden Gomez
Yes.
Jeremiah Gomez
I don't have the rulebook and am trying to make a list, how does power translate to points?
Robert Ortiz
...
Isaiah Gomez
How are Mutilators now?
Benjamin Harris
what legs are these?
Grayson Brooks
nth for Tau WAACfags BTFO
Luis Perry
>exposed missiles everywhere for no reason
Nolan Allen
One powerlevel is about 20-25 points.
Adrian Green
Why did they fuck psyker heavy armies? Why does GW hate variety?
Jacob Allen
48" range, 2d3 shots, S7, AP-1, d3 damage
David Thomas
This is a good thread, don't bring that ilk in here to trash up the place.
Hudson Hall
>grey knight librarians can't take grey knight gear
Are you okay
Do you have brain damage
Oliver Baker
Best nid HQ?
OOE or Swarmlord?
Julian Barnes
r8 my leman russ tank names pls
some of them probably arent fitting for a lemon so I need help whittling them down
>bonus points for working out the type of lemon the name belongs to
Most of them are loosely themed around a guard regiment working alongside the Howling Griffons.
Names:
A Moments Penance Pride of Mancora Oathsworn Chaperone Last Judgement Bittersweet Baroness Pride Before Fall Bondsman of Dennar Emperor’s Gauntlet Paragon’s Folly Honour’s Bounty Gertrude Insult and Injury Bane of Cowards Mancorian Jester Stalwart Dawn Two Drink Minimum Dagger in the Eye Wrenched Wench Belay That Order Bulwark of Intent Staunch Refusal Barking up the Wrong Barrel Backhander Full Fathom Five Better than Valour Scythe of Damnation Old Man of Mancora Ready or Not Clobbered Renegade Villein’s Vice Bush Beater Traitor’s Remorse In Ceramite Clad Three-Inch Fool Despair’s Visage Lady’s Protest The Big Fella Heretic’s Doubt Harbinger of Piety On Bended Knee Lawbringer
Robert King
To be fair, they promised you can field anything you want. You can't field 3 Riptides now and not expect to lose.
Cameron Carter
>It's a slap in the face to all players with 3 or more Riptides to nerf them so hard.
Fucking disgusting Tau players. What else is new?
Ayden Scott
The more I read the army lists and point costs the more confused I get, and more convinced that they are filled with mistakes I get.
Typhus costs 164 points including wargear. Lord of Contagion costs 185 points including wargear.
This is despite the fact that Typhus is the same or markedly better in every single way (ie, same stats, better weapons, an extra aura, is a psyker!!), there are no areas where he is worse as far as I can see. And this is just one thing, there are plenty others similar.
It really concerns me that the points costing is so broken, because that means the balance of the game will be broken. Am I missing something? I feel like I must be.
Jaxon Allen
>pt. 2
Judge and Jury Above Reproach Sow of Discontent Fealty’s Reward This End Up Graceless Fiend Kraken Cracker Baron of Mancora Griffon’s Aerie Where Griffons Dare Thou Doth Protest Saint & Sinner Rough and Ready Bunch-Backed Grox Mercy Denied Imperator’s Impasse Wyrm-tongue Mancorian Kiss Humble Pie Taste of Reckoning Just Desserts Plasteel Lining Ardent Prayer Sanctified Fool Say My Name Dogged Squire Ever Faithful Two Birds One Tank Flower of Defiance Steel Thunder Ogryn’s Kiss Lance Held High Offense Taken Tyrant Fodder Purest Purpose Point of No Return Never Say Martyr Beyond Gallantry Warden of Dennan Heart of Dennan Last Greased Gasp Dennan Stout Two For Flinching Shield of Dennan Erred Errant Ride Unto Ruin Light of Dawn Gratified Resolve Long Time Coming Hand In the Cookie Jar Cawl’s Crackpipe
Tyler Rodriguez
Pre-6th Minotaurs scheme.
Dominic Rodriguez
>It's a slap in the face to all the players with 3 or more Riptides
Christopher Perez
I mean, they're kinda right that it's been chunked down to the point of not really being worth taking at all.
Nerfing something to the point where it's stupid to spam it is good, nerfing it to the point where it's pointless is p bad game design.
Carson Young
Don't play Matched
Oh, I thought you meant regular Autocannons Yeah the Predator one is pretty great
Aaron Lee
Plague most likely. >Depends on AP and if cover is a factor, and the Strength of the gun.
Can Plagues use their "FNP" vs Mortal Wounds?
Jordan White
Nurgle Daemons can in AoS
Jacob Fisher
I think they can
Dominic Foster
I swear to god, I read through the entry like 5 times before and never noticed that line My bad, you're right
Justin Fisher
>only two dakkas and one choppy bit Yu's muckin about.
Leo Rivera
Yes.
Joseph Young
Then Plagues hand down as their FNP is better than an invulnerable save as Mortal Wounds can't ignore it.
Jackson King
Look like Fire Warrior legs with human feet.
Blake Evans
How many fucking tanks are you fielding?
Liam Jenkins
Wonderin' dat meself.
We don't have allied detachments anymore. What do?
Nathan Ramirez
>It's a slap in the face to all the players with 3 or more Riptides Too bad it wasn't a boot in the ass
Josiah Diaz
I mean you can but it would have to be in a high point game and they sure as hell wouldn't do the work they used to.
Henry Scott
I'm this user. Here's a sergeant I finished recently. I'm happy with how he came out, except for the face.
Jordan Bailey
Are Tau still forbidden from using their own squad's markerlights? there's no information on the section whereas it was there in previous editions.
Also, are Coldstars viable now? Movement seems to be massive and being locked into the BRRRRT cannon isn't as bad due to having even more shots now.
Nathan Gray
Thanks but is there a definitive answer for posterity sake?
Liam Moore
>Most of them are loosely themed around a guard regiment working alongside the Howling Griffons.
Gavin Thomas
The "one faction" rule is only for matched, narrative and open lets you do whatever
Still 7 layers of bullshit that Tyranids get Leman Russes before Chaos and Orks do
Cooper Brooks
Yeah the index point costs are a mess. I'd assume when the first balance wave hits the point costs start to make sense again.
Isaac Phillips
That is the definitive answer you stupid fuck
Adrian Sanchez
...I got a little carried away this afternoon.
I have 10-15 lemons and a few chimeras plus a Knight and maybe a Baneblade.
Cruddace pls no
Joshua Morales
Im so glad I only ever bought 2 of them.
Adrian Parker
It's much less effective than an invuln against multi-damage weapons though.
Anthony Rodriguez
Click the first link in the OP and get the rules.
Cooper Nelson
How much is a Tychus model? I'll bet that GW is in it for the $$$.
Hunter Miller
No. There is no direct powerlevel to points conversion, they are calculated in different ways.
Austin Davis
No user, Crud plays 2 armies Guard and Howling Griffons, you are the Cruddance
Wyatt Taylor
What a time to be alive.
Zachary Jackson
not enough.
Liam Stewart
>Still 7 layers of bullshit that Tyranids get Leman Russes before Chaos and Orks do
Chaos should've got the same clause GSC got.
Orks should have gotten, any AM vehicles can replace Imperium tag with ORK, and and reduce BS to 5+
Ian Martin
>tfw stop by my local GW store Tuesday >have a great time chatting with my fellow fa/tg/entlemen >Subject of 8th comes up, redshirt talking about how some people are salty online >we all chuckle about it, though noone says out loud that its the Taufags >conversation moves on with me mentioning that the new dread skipped leg day Love my local community, gonna stop by tomorrow for the big day.
Nathaniel Bennett
We're gonna need a re-stat for 8th.
Benjamin Gutierrez
No, Power doesn't include Wargear, so converting points to power is hopeless
Julian Nguyen
If someone started Death Guard due to the starting edition, would you look down on them?
John Torres
You don't "Use" markerlights anymore, you just get an effect when targeting that unit relative to how many markerlight hits you have on it. The assumption is that everyone can use them
Tyler Russell
So far it seems like they can use their own markerlights now. It's pretty essential thing for sky ray whose whole point is to be able to fire its own missiles independently. With new point costs crisis suits got hit hard and point-for-point commanders trump them hard.
Aiden Johnson
>expecting top 3 NOVA armies to stay at the same level in power rankings These are bandwagoners obviously and have no clue how edition changes work nowadays
Daniel Nelson
Can you explain how?
Isn't the options: Plague: Take Armour Save, if failed take FNP Rubric: Take 5++
Alexander Ross
The opposite! They're really cool models and more Chaos players are always welcome
Can't say the same for Primaris players though
Mason Sanchez
They still have decent weapons on a tough to kill platform. Try finding stronger (more armor, wounds, rending weapons) units at the same price point.
Jaxson Taylor
>it was me all along
oh no
Gabriel Davis
Take armour save, roll damage, roll FNP for each damage
Is that the new primaris transport? It will, in any case, struggle to turn with those big reactor and tiny skies in the front
Angel Roberts
Traitors arr rook arike to me.
Thomas Fisher
Then why the fuck does the list builder even exist when it uses power level?
Josiah Perez
5++ is better against shit like autocannons, lascannons and so on.
Chase Thompson
No, bugger off and get your own units. GSC an get more civilian funky conversions and Orks can get more KND level of scrap technology.
Sick of every other army having a way of stapling IG units to theirs with no downside, they even count as their faction when GSC do it in 8th.
Gimme my Imperial Genestealers you cunts.
Jeremiah Gonzalez
You're fucking retarded, user. I swear you are
You can switch to points with the click of a button right above Army Book
Isaiah Hernandez
But the Invulnerable is All Or Nothing? You either save and take no damage or Fail and take (say) 6 Wounds
Ethan Miller
It floats, whatcha want?
Jaxon Long
Power is for easy army comparison, the one with less Power starts first and you get a free re-roll for each 10 Power below your opponent's
Points are still for determining match sizes, same as before
Josiah Wood
>In this user's Headcanon: Guardsmen can't fall to Chaos, the Post
Bentley Williams
with that paintjob, more like harakoni shithawks
Thomas Richardson
>Eldar broken for 5 editions >no nerf >Tau broken for one edition >nerfed into unplayable
Adam Collins
T4 2+ 5++ T5 3+ 5+FNP Hit by a multilaser: (2/3)*(1/6)=0.11vs (2/3)*(1/3)*(2/3)=0.15 Hit by a heavy bolter:(2/3)*(1/3)=0.22 vs (1/2)*(1/2)*(2/3)=0.16 Hit by a bolter: (1/2)*(1/6)=0.08 vs (1/3)*(1/3)*(2/3)=0.07 Hit by a lasgun: (1/3)*(1/6)=0.06 vs (1/3)*(1/3)*(2/3)=)0.07
There's not really a clear winner, plagues do better against bolters and heavy bolters whilst 1kson do better against lasguns and multilasers.
Hunter Rodriguez
But then how does the order of firing work? It's still a Heavy 1 weapon so it must be fired, I assume, at the same time as every other unit in the squad. This means you can't fire markerlights, get the counters and then apply the buffs to the rest of the squad.
Joseph Kelly
Indeed, but stuff like melted can't reduce it. So plague marines are good vs mortal wounds, Rubrics vs heavy weapons and both pretty good vs small arms fire
Cooper Lee
Power level 14
S7 T8 W13 Sv3+ Turret - Heavy Lascannon, Heavy Stubber *Resolve shots with Heavy Stubber first, if the Heavy Lascannon targets a unit hit by the Stubber, it may reroll misses
Hull-mounted Twin Lascannon, swivels up/down and left/right
Rotor cannon is a pintle mounted upgrade
Missiles: Roll a D6 at the start of each fight phase for each enemy unit within 1", on a 4+ it takes D3 mortal wounds (slightly better Frag Assault Launchers)
Transport Capacity 7, can only transport Primaris Marines
Decays its Movement/BS/Attacks as it loses wounds Movement 10" BS 3+ Attacks 3 base
If you think that's bad, Chaos staples a shitton of Space Marine units to their with no downside either
Same reasoning
Isaiah Young
I'm doing it, sort of. I already have Nurgle Daemons, so I'm branching out to DG when they hit.
Elijah Cruz
>SLAP IN DA FACE Holy shit this brings me back to the old WoW days. What next - is someone gonna try to cast Bus Shock on GW?
Asher Bell
Balance in 7th vs balance in 8th: Eldar Jetbike with twin Shuriken Catapults? 17 points.
Eldar Jetbike with Shuriken Cannons? 27 points.
Relative point difference for the superior option: ~ 60 percent.
Eldar Jetbike with twin Shuriken Catapults? 30 points.
Eldar Jetbike with Shuriken Cannons? 32 points.
Relative price difference: ~7 percent.
Last I checked nobody was complaining about unupgraded Jetbikes, just ones that were all Scatter Lasers or Cannons.
William Davis
>AM vehicles are the most common mass produced war machines in the imperium >"Why does everyone have captured AM vehicles?"
Benjamin Foster
Huh so it's more like a halfway point between a razorback and a land raider
14 power level is way less than a normal land raider
Easton Green
Post good Cadian proxies because cadians are ugly as fuck
Nathan Brooks
Well yeah I've seen them in person next to a death guard from the box and a thousand son.
They seem to be fractionally taller than the new scale for marines, but only look outright fucking stupid next to shorter, older ones.
Logan Turner
Tau's been broken for 6th and 7th.
Brandon Bennett
When you fire with a unit you choose which weapons you fire first. In case of fire warrior squad with a squad leader that has light you shoot the markerlight first and if it hits you'll get the benefit for the pulse weapons.