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Thread Question: What's your opinion on UBR Wizards tribal for fourth deck in C17?
Joseph Miller
Its bullshit
Ian Scott
My hopes were dashed when I found out there was only 4 pre-cons and one of them is fucking cats. I don't know what I was expecting, but I feel let down.
Christian Moore
>Thread Question: Depends on what's being printed in it. But at least it's a much better choice than Clerics.
Also, stop crying about not being a slivers deck, they'll probably print a lot of slivers next year anyway.
Leo Nguyen
I think I would've preferred just 5 more color decks, but I guess this has been okay so far. Grixis Wizards could be cool. The only one I can recall is Nekusar so, if the trend continues then the Legends in this deck could be neat. Strange that they went with Grixis in the first place though. I would've thought they'd pick Dimir instead.
Carson Rogers
So are we sure about C17 decks? Wizards, Cats, Dragons and Vampires?
Caleb Johnson
I wasn't surprised by the wizards. I don't think that I'm going to get any of the decks this year, but if I am, it's either wizards or vamps, depending if there's anything actually interesting cards
Sebastian Cox
What's wrong with cats?
Anthony Ross
Jeleva and Marchesa are Grixis wizards too.
Colton Kelly
If you want a green deck, get the cats or dragons. they'll probably be the 'greenest'.
Stoked. I've been wanting a good tribal Wizard commander for a while now, so I'm glad I waited on building my wizard tribal deck. Definitely grabbing it when it comes out.
Kevin Green
That first line was meant to quote .
Ian Young
So they are. I guess what I was trying to say was, when I think Grixis, I think demons and/Bolas. Wizards are more firmly blue, with maybe some black I think. Red wizards doesn't seem as common, but I could easily be wrong about that.
Kayden Torres
How do vampires benefit from white and red? All the good vampires are in mono black but olivia.
Kayden Gonzalez
Have you ever tried to make monoblack vamps? They are like 10 creatures shy of a creature base. Not to mention not immediately folding to artifacts and enchantments from red and white.
John Jones
Burn and Madness for red and lifeplay for White
Hunter Price
Honestly if it's Wizards, it makes more sense as Grixis instead of Dimir. Dimir would be good for zombies and rogues, while demons would be something more to the Rakdos side.
Lincoln Ward
>If you want a green deck, get the only ones featuring that option You're not wrong, but come on.
Noah Johnson
I do and its pretty good. I run around 25 vampires and run other value creatures like sheoldred, gary and bloodgift demon. And yeah I guess lacking enchantment and artifact removal is an inconvenience but I still wouldnt try to go Mardu making my mana base more inconsistent just for that.
Alexander Lee
>What's your opinion on UBR Wizards tribal for fourth deck in C17?
Aetherborn wizards
Carter Wright
There arent any good madness cards for vampires.
Which lifegain cards in white? Black already has two blood artists, sanguine bond, gray merchant and kalitas.
Adrian Kelly
How do you get things in your graveyard?
What things to you like to get in your graveyard?
Who is your favorite general to turn your graveyard into the RAVEyard?
Michael Harris
Mirror-Mad Phantasm, Auras, Bruna.
Jacob Harris
>How do you get things in your graveyard? Mana Severance + Balustrade Spy
Luke Hill
>self mill, wheels, entomb >etb abuse >Alesha, the giggling tranny
Sebastian Morales
It just seems like a dumb complaint. Blue got 'shafted' just as hard.
Jayden Barnes
>How do you get things into your graveyard? Wheels my man. You wheel your hand or use looting effects. Nothing's better than dumping your hand then reanimating your buddies. Necroplasm is also fantastic.
>What things to you like to get in your graveyard? Big stompy creatures. Gary and Massacre wurm are some of my favorite targets, but I also like Abhorent Overlord, Bane of Bala Ged and Geth.
>Who is your favorite general to turn your graveyard into the RAVEyard? Ironically, I usually run commanders that have nothing to do reanimating, because I like it to be a surprise. If people see it coming, they sideboard against you.
Thomas Hughes
I like to get dread return, anger, Kiki jiki, Cinderhaze Wretch, and Necrotic Ooze into my graveyard. Malfegor is the best.
Nathan Russell
Wait wait wait, what am I looking at here? Do you pitch all your lands, and then deck yourself?
Evan Flores
>Who is your favorite general to turn your graveyard into the RAVEyard? There is only one correct answer.
Brody Foster
You pitch all your lands except one. Then you dump 90% of your Library into your GW.
Luis Ramirez
exile all lands, get everything in graveyard, then use this
Julian Hughes
That's a dirty trick, but it costs a fair bit of mana. Perfect for labman or Mimeoplasm combo mill. I appreciate that.
Ian Rodriguez
Ixalan is going to have W as one of the colors for vampires, that´s why it´s in
Christopher Long
spoiler that shit user
Leo Morris
Always remember that we have a skeleton inside each and every one of us.
I just want to let them out.
Logan Reyes
>How do you get things in your graveyard? dredge, hermit druid, splinterfright, buried alive, nyx weaver >What things to you like to get in your graveyard? giant creatures and things with ETBs >Who is your favorite general to turn your graveyard into the RAVEyard? meren because i am unoriginal
Gabriel Diaz
Unless Edgar does something totally shit, youre gonna want him as your commander just for the eminence ability, remember Oloro was good and all he did was gain life, with admittedly a better color combo but I doubt Edgar's eminence will be stronger than Oloro's. You can still just be a mostly black deck with splashes for white removal and red whatever as you dont actually have to cast edgar.
Jose Foster
>What's your opinion on UBR Wizards tribal for fourth deck in C17? boring as fuck but will probably be the best of the bunch
Asher Adams
>but I doubt Edgar's eminence will be stronger than Oloro's I meant edgar will probably have a better eminence
Hudson Jackson
>How do you get things in your graveyard? Buried Alive, Entomb, shit like that. My favorite way is skipping my first turn to discard a big creature to immediately Reanimate on turn 2. >What things do you like to get in your graveyard? Gray Merchant is bae merchant. Also It That Betrays, Sidisi, the works. >Who is your favorite general to turn your graveyard into the RAVEyard? I use Kokusho, though he really doesn't contribute much to the overall strategy besides not having to use a tutor to find him. To actually answer the question though, The Mimeoplasm.
Brandon Sullivan
>UBR Wizards Now that I think about it, I'm glad to be wrong. Clerics are a pretty boring tribe. There's also a lot more potential for throwback legends in Wizards. Off the top of my head, Gatha, The Weaver King, and Ludevic 2.0.
Hunter Cruz
I just want Vedalken Aethermage reprint.
Aaron Perez
In my opinion, Cats are still relatively fresh as far as a tribes go. I'd rather wait for them to mature more before we get a precon for them. Meanwhile, I would have liked to see Snakes, Warriors, Soldiers, Elementals, Spirits, Clerics, or more which have been around forever and could still use that boost the precons give. I like the choice of Vamps and Wizards, a bit iffy on Dragons but I'll accept it, but I do not like the cats.
And I wouldn't mind them as much if we were getting a 5th.
Isaiah Martin
"We considered reprinting Vedalken AEthermage, a key card in nearly every wizard deck, but found that referencing slivers in a set without slivers caused new players' brains to explode"
Xavier Howard
>Vedalken Aethermage its a 17 cent card that probably will have worse art because its not going to have the futuresight border why would you want this?
William Reed
>Cats >Newer than Snakes
???
Jack Flores
Snake tribal is as old as Kamigawa, while actual Cat tribal support isn't that old.
Chase Jenkins
What the actual fuck are you saying.
Isaac Gonzalez
Grixis Wizards seems cool, i'm wondering what red wizards they'll put in. I dont like the cats, dragons seem like fun and Mardu Vampires are gonna be sweet.
Ethan Scott
Sorins. And you can play tibalt, everyone wants to play tibalt right?
Carter Lewis
Dualcaster Mage.
Nicholas Morris
what does tibalt have to do with vampires? he's a devil
Jonathan Bailey
to be fair thats literally a single card printed there was as much support for cats back then as there is for contraptions right now
and there arent even any contraptions printed as of now where as snake tribal was actually supported heavily in nip.set
Ryder White
he can trigger your madness cards. It was a bad joke.
Joshua Moore
That's the only Cat tribal piece from back then. Snakes had a larger amount of support.
Blake Howard
>buried alive and selfmill >big guys >m..meren
Jaxson Ortiz
You guys think wizards will actually put any worthwhile reprints in the new commander decks or no?
Wyatt Gomez
now we just need a way to give it tap: create a copy of this card haha
Oliver Long
>You guys think wizards will actually put any worthwhile reprints in the new commander decks or no? yes im preordering them asap just for that reason I hate tribal but theres going to be bank in these decks
Daniel Brown
>back then >that's the same as now Are you some kind of 9th dimensional autists that exist outside of time?
Matthew Cox
>he isn't Snakes still have more lords and support. FUCK CATS!
Landon Sullivan
>supported heavily >a few awful lords
Dylan Phillips
And elves have WAY more lords and support than snakes. FUCK SNAKES!
Christian Morris
they always do. im thinking tribal focused cards will see reprints. Patriarchs something, urzas incubator, etc, not to mention some strong cards.
Matthew Miller
Well yeah but Elves are mainstream shit.
Levi Ross
WE DONT NEED MORE FUCKING ELF SUPPORT
Jayden Davis
>Mardu Vampires If the legend is Edgar I will fucking pee.
Andrew Torres
FREE HIM
Levi Morris
>the We get several, judging by the Dragons.
Aiden Reyes
the claim that there was tribal support for cats before snakes is like saying there is currently tribal support for riggers/contraptions >a few awful lords its more than a few and they arent awful
Landon Smith
>the claim that there was tribal support for cats before snakes is True. It's a true statement. Stop being willfully retarded.
Wyatt Watson
No other vampire legend could be as cool as Edgar fucking Markov.
Parker Miller
Yeah, so what I'm saying is that he's a shoo-in with the prospect of several Mardu commanders.
Kayden Morales
I really hope we don't get another ludevic/ulrich when it comes to him.
Jaxson Morris
Jesus, Portal 3 was retarded.
Oliver Murphy
Going by the other things we might get >Cat Vampire >Dragon Vampire >Vampire Wizard >Dragon Wizard >Cat Wizard >Cat Dragon (Already done)
and others sprinkled here and there >Dragon Spirit (already done) >Human >Spirits etc
Mason Parker
having one card that cares about a tribe =/= tribal support in any meaningful way
Blake Perry
Youtube begs to differ.
Lincoln Powell
>Meowsferatu >Mewrlin
James Turner
The wizard legendary will be Memnarch Reforged
Dominic Reyes
How is it not? One card is still a support towards the tribe. There's no rules specifying a minimun amount of cards to count as tribal support.
Luke Brooks
>tribal support isn't tribal support if it's not the tribe i want! You are a fucking child.
Anthony Hughes
Oh fuck stop hyping me you cunt
Brody Thompson
>Buried Alive, Volrath, Vish Kal, global hand destruction >Distended Mindbender, Saffi Eriksdotter, Sun Titan >Karador because Junk is the Funk
Anthony Cox
Edgar Markov being a cat vampire would be hilarious.
Bentley Ramirez
its Inala, Archmage Ritualist. Speaking of her, does she have some existing lore? Edgar, Ur Dragon, Wasitora, Ramos, Taigam etc. They all have SOME lore.
As for the other commanders inside...unsure
Landon Sanchez
just kidding, it's Lim-dûl
Josiah Cruz
GOD DAMNIT REEE SSHUT UP
Zachary Hernandez
>tfw played rofellos and gaeas cradle last cube i know why he's banned but damn that was fun
Noah Morales
by that logic Face-down creature tribal predates both of them I dont consider having a single card that cares about a tribe "tribal support"
William Richardson
No, she'd be an OC like some of C16's commanders.
Gavin Campbell
In C16, all but two of the new legends (Saskia and Tana) were from a known plane. Nahiri wasn't named before her card was released, and Daretti was mentioned once in a Conspiracy story, while Teferi and Freyalise were major figures, and Ob Nixilis grew even more important later on. Lore status isn't universal.
Adrian Cox
she's a powerful womyn?
Brandon Green
You're entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is still subjective.
Owen Myers
>by that logic Face-down creature tribal predates both of them And? >I dont consider having a single card that cares about a tribe "tribal support" I don't really give a shit if you have a problem with reality. You're objectively wrong.
James Reed
I thought Nahiri was named just never depicted, and people thought nahiri was Stoneforge Mystic (but was later corrected to just be a random Kor)?
Sebastian Evans
Vial Smasher was also name-dropped before C16 dropped.
Kevin Fisher
mills 'n' wheels
creatures
Lazav, dimir ravemastermind
Jonathan Scott
Deck tech for a non cancer Atraxa? I'm trying to not just pillow fort super friends and do more with +1/+1 counters.
Noah Nguyen
its not really that hard man just google it. theres only 3 real ways to build her