The great debate

the lesser debate

>When there are two other reformed Succubi in D&D canon, one that is married to a fucking Archon or Celestial
>When there's a fucking ritual to let people REMOVE ALIGNMENT SUBTYPES WILLINGLY
>Bitch runs a fucking information store, just like her fucking Mother who is in in important fucking questline in Dungeon Magazine
>has not discovered this

Fall-from-grace you stupid fukin native-american name stealing bitch you so stupid goddanm.

>Fall-from-Grace
>Busty, beautiful, extremely intelligent and wise
>Completely Chaste, won't even give you a tug

What's the point?

Tieflings actually are quarter and under. If a mortal has a child with a half-demon, the child ends up as a tiefling, at least in the case of Faerun.

Unless they changed it, you actually can't have both. If you pursue both romances, and try to reason with the transcendent one, you can get to a conversation node where he asks you which one you love; if you say both, the game punishes you, whereas picking either one rewards you.

>>When there's a fucking ritual to let people REMOVE ALIGNMENT SUBTYPES WILLINGLY
A whatnow? In AD&D?

yum yum

almost got me thinking that one is by slugbox

turns out this one is

It's hard to decide to be honest. Grace would definitely keep you in a chastity cage and tease the shit out of you. Annah would be a lot more physical and definitely into pegging. Would probably come down to who has cuter feet desu.

Is Fall-from-Grace celibate, or chaste?

>Fall-from-grace you stupid fukin native-american name stealing bitch
Oh shut the fuck up, Native Americans are not the only people in the world to do descriptive names like that.

Fall-from-Grace is intelligent, kind, beautiful, and well mannered. She's a perfect waifu but also celibate and it's implied that she'd probably accidentally eat your soul if you somehow convinced her to break her celibacy. She'd be a great friend (and you can bet she'd be an awesome GM or player), but not very good for non-platonic relationship.
Annah is abrasive and antisocial, but actually not a bad person once she warms up to someone. Probably not into long-term relationships as it takes a lot of effort for her to let somebody get close enough to her for her to but that kind of trust in them.

Obviously the optimum solution is to marry Gracy and have a emotionally an intellectually stimulating non-sexul relationship with her, and fuck Annah on the side.
Although failing that, winning Annah's trust and helping her deal with her emotional baggage, causing her to fall in love with you and having a healthy relationship with loads of mindblowing sex is also acceptable.

>Obviously the optimum solution is to marry Gracy and have a emotionally an intellectually stimulating non-sexul relationship with her, and fuck Annah on the side.
the truth has been spoken

Wouldn't it be kind of mean to start a relationship with either of them, since you're actively looking for a way to fucking kill yourself?

Tail > Wings

Planescape is 2e. Also, the subtype and type systems are evident even in 2e, but it was often detailed when it mattered, namely in flavour text or for certain types of spells.

If you run check alignment spells on her, she'll ping Chaos, Evil, and her actual alignment accordingly because of what she is.

Infact, it's a rarity upon rarity that his is what she is, because alignment subtype has a big affect on behaviour.

Also, I recalled the other succubi off the CE alignment, it was Wee Jas's Emissary who does planar stuff for her clergy.

Thanks for confirming there is no ritual in AD&D 2E to remove a succubus's aligment subtype.

>When there's a fucking ritual to let people REMOVE ALIGNMENT SUBTYPES WILLINGLY

Pretty sure alignment subtypes only became a thing in 3rd Edition D&D, after Planescape was made and released (which was during AD&D 2e's heyday).

Japan, for example.

best mate choice

That's not Dak'kon.
And that's DEFINITELY not Morte.

Ainu don't count, they used temporary names to ward off curses and bad spirits.

It's a Puritan thing. Those motherfuckers were, similarly, seriously into abjuring the temptations of the flesh. And they gave their kids names that could be phrases from the bible, or entire passages. "Fall from grace" is a biblical term.

Fall-From-Grace could be argued as a temporary name, meant to single her current place in life. It's definitely not the name she was spawned with.

Dak'kon a cute, but can only do missionary for the purpose of procreation.
Mort gonna try and bite my dick off when I stick it in his mouth just to get him to shut up.

Nordom understands, nordom understands he doesn't understand. Nordom is love. Nordom is life.

No, I mean Japan itself. "Sakura", for example, means "cherry blossom" in Japanese.
"Hikaru" means "light". And these aren't archaic Japanese words, either - "sakura" is still the common word for cherry blossoms. And so on. All Japanese names are common Japanese words, it's just due to convention that we don't translate them.

Oh, that's what you meant by mate. I thought you meant mate as is "Best bro".

And 'John' means latrine in English, so what.

>"Sakura", for example, means "cherry blossom" in Japanese. "Hikaru" means "light".

Well, that goes for pretty much any existing human culture, if you trace back the etymology. "Alexander" from "Alexandros" from "alexein" and "ander" for Defender of Man/the People, etc. etc.
(Sincere apologies to any Greek scholars)

I love me some Puritan phrase names! Using it for my current Paladin/Fighter: "Though-Fear-Lock-Thy-Joints-Fight-The-Impure-And-Die-Well" or Ferdie to her friends

Oh. Yeah. I meant I want to fuck the cube.

The other two are probably good friend choices though.

John has come into the meaning of latrine long after it was used as a proper name.

It's actual etymology gomes from the Hebrew יונתן (Ye-ho-na-than), which would mean "God has given".

Not really, that's her name as confirmed in the adventure where you meet her mother for a meeting to do with freeing Demogorgon's Old Consort all the way from 1e in 3.5

No, John was later attributed to latrines. Sakura is and has always been cherry blossom.
John means "God has been kind"

That's a) colloquial and b) a more recent meaning. The name John actually comes from Hebrew Yochanan, meaning "YAHWEH is gracious", by way of Greek an then Latin.

The point is that Western European naming conventions are a bit strange compared to the rest of the world, because the greater portion of our names come from other languages. John is a good example; my own name, Christopher, ultimately comes from Greek and means "bearer/carrier of Christ", St. Christopher being a guy who carried Christ over a river. However that specific origin has been forgotten; the name now basically has no meaning to an average person, or it's chosen in reference to the saints or family members or whatever. We've forgotten that our names have meaning in and of themselves.

However in most of the world, names come from the language themselves. 99% of Japanese names come from Japanese itself, and few of the words that make up those names have fallen out of common use. So, for example, when a Japanese parent names their daughter "Sakura", they are actively choosing to name her after the cherry blossom tree. There's not a dichotomy the way there is in Western European languages.

So you're actually a Christ-gopher?

The only great debate here worth taking is the debate of how best to get them into a triangle.

Make them take up accounting.

Annah because she's a massive slut

L I E S

That's some bullshit.

I take it you mean 'bullshit that the developers did that' rather than 'you are bullshitting'. If the former, yes it is, and the internet polyamoury defense force would be all over that shit these days, if the latter, go fellate a cactus

If I remember correctly, Annah had never even kissed anyone until the nameless one.

Fall was a succubus. It is significantly more likely she was a huge slut at one point in her life.

Is there a larger version of that Fall From Grace pic? Been looking for pictures of reasonably modestly dressed succubi for ages now.

That's not how tails fucking work.

Left could be markedly more efficient in form choice, as could right. The shape is simply inefficient.

Its a demonic tail, not a mammalian or reptilian one so it ok.

Every culture does this, though, it's not some special snowflake japanese thing. 90% of english surnames are professions, as well as some first names. Not to mention naming girls after flowers, etc.

>you stupid fukin native-american name stealing bitch
A lot of Sensates pick descriptive names like that when they join up, though. There's a skull on the one necromancer guy's shelf that was named Calm-before-the-storm or something silly like that.

>Is there a larger version of that Fall From Grace pic? Been looking for pictures of reasonably modestly dressed succubi for ages now.
I can't find the full version of that one, even though I've seen it before. I'll post some other ones, though.

This artist took a little liberty with the design, but it turned out well.

Old concept art

And a bit more searching reveals...

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Fall-From-Grace has class, Annah is a boorish thug and if Annah was a man and you didn't want to fuck her you'd want to murder her like Ignus or Lawful Stupid knight ghost wossname

It's more than just that, as a demon she's not just got a CE subtype, she is CE, made out of it, that's why in practical terms, non-CE demons are so rare as to be fantastically impossible to find and even then probably killed by their peers, like say a two headed human.
The only other time I remember Planescape having a "redeemed" demon was when it accidentally absorbed the essence of a deva and even then it only halfway hijacked the bebilith. That's how goddamn rare a "redeemed demon" would be.

Grace gives the game away with the name of her library or bookstore or whatever it was. She is obviously obsessed with sex and being succubus, and her chastity and trying to be a good person is just her working through her mommy issues rather than sincere desire to be good. As a tanari, she is wholly incapable of comprehending good except as a distant abstract concept. She only seems as decent as she does because, as a succubus, she is naturally good at imitating mortals and their many behaviors and beliefs. So when she choosing to act like her idea of a morally upright human, she naturally does a good job and probably even has herself convinced by the time the player meets her in the game.

If it's all a fraud then how come she has Priest levels and can channel positive energy to cast healing spells? There's no way to mimic that stuff.

Sleight of Hand, False Life and prestidigitation, she's actually a sorcerer

> he thinks priest spells mean things in d&d.

Lawful Evil could do heals, for sure.

>Sleight of Hand, False Life and Prestidigitation
>replicating the effects of Heal and Raise Dead
Seems unlikely

Her character sheet says LN, and that has to be the correct alignment because that's what the game uses to determine alignment based effects used on her.

>Seems unlikely
Also some very advanced illusions. She has the Charisma to pull it off.

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If you want evil Grace go read the novel.

Yeah I knew that, the subtype is that fact in functionality in effect.

>no choice to stay with ravel for the rest of your days.
poor form

MAXIMUM OVER LEWD

Joy, Mercy, Daisy, Lily.

No, it's not. Tails are continuations of the spine, not additional limbs. Those images have the tail sprouting far too far up her back.

>She is LITERALLY a 'Hood Rat, user

But the succubus is serious about that promise ring. Only answer really then is "one to have, one to hold".

Really? Was she? I heard the novel was garbage, but I am curious.

I never read the novel, but if you google some of the details, its like the tard authors never played the fucking game.

Well, there's two novelizations. A fan made one that is just text from the game formatted into a cohesive story, and then an "official" one that was made by WotC around the same time of the game, but is only loosely connected.

I'm sorry user, I didn't know I was talking to a fictional demon specialist.

Very well reasoned out, and correct for real world analogs.
Except Demon are half Souls and half Bad Dreams and half Sin. The only reason they have a tails is not through evolution or crafted biology, but because people believe it's scary! (Yes that's the canon reason, read Planescape's belief section) And if they believe it's more scary to be out of proportion? or in the wrong place? Guess how the tail ends up?

So (demon-) tieflings are quite literally are half mortal half nonsense. You concerns about proper anatomy are thrown out the window sir, and that really is end of discussion.

...Sorry?

>Her character sheet says LN,
Hot damn so it does.
>channel positive energy to cast healing spells?
I think you are thinking too 3.X, 2e ad evil priests were able to cast healing spells, but more to the point Lawful priests, were definitely able to cast them.

Ugh forgot the pic.

You are talking about the gear spirits of course.

Those aren't the same symbol, they just look similar. The ones on the right are the symbols for the planes (the one in question being Acheron, which Grace doesn't really have much connection to) while the symbol on her sheet is the symbol all the LN characters in the game have. If you want to be particular, Dak'kon is "straight" LN, Grace leans Good, and Vhailor leans Evil.

Have a list of the proper symbols? (From the right time periods. I know 5e updated them some.)

The alignment symbols in the game aren't from any official material, they're just made up. Also, the symbol has two parts. The blue icon is for the Good/Neutral/Evil axis, and the metallic background is Law/Neutral/Chaos. For example, this is how Morte's looks, and he's Chaotic Good.

>FFG
>boneable

this kills the husbando

Good thing I'm immortal.

you can still die. You just get resurrected.

Here you go.

Pretty sure scubbus poosy is worth a ress once in a while

I'm not saying it's some special snowflake Japanese thing, dingus, if you'd care to follow the reply chain back up its ladder.

I'm pointing out that Falls From Grace isn't ripping off Native American naming conventions because just using actual words for names, rather than "names" as some special subclass of words that exist solely for names, is NORMAL for most languages. It's really only in Europe, and particularly Western Europe, that you see words that exist exclusively to be names ("Christopher", "Michael", "Stephen", "Franklin", etc.), and even then you get holdovers like what posted (who also, I suspect, did not bother to follow the reply chain up to see what the fuck was actually being talked about)

We tend to translate Native American names simply due to some weird translation conventions, probably because we think it makes them sound more "primitive", but really there's no particular reason why in English we refer to Sitting Bull as Sitting Bull and not Tȟatȟáŋka Íyotake (or maybe something easier to spell, like Tatanka Iyotake); and likewise there's no particular reason why we call the current Prime Minister of Japan Shinzō Abe instead of "Heart Peace" (or something similar, translating Japanese names can be hard due to the stupid way they write).

>As a tanari, she is wholly incapable of comprehending good except as a distant abstract concept.

So she votes in US elections?

Get out.

DELET THIS REEEE
ANNAH IS SHY AND PURE UNDER HER TOMBOYISH FACADE!

Hey, you can't fault all of us because most of us actually voted against the tangerine. We just have a fucked up political system, and a lot people who were gullible enough to fall for a con-artist or just so fed up with the situation they decided to say "fuck" and see if putting that buffoon in office would change anything.. The Russian thing didn't help much either.