/swg/ We Were Troopers Edition

I think most EU writers forgot about them tbqh

Not to be THAT guy, but...

Those of you who play x-wing, how is the kimogila? Is it a ship worth getting or would you recommend passing on it?

>Fuck you, meatbag!

>Fuck you, meatbag!

>He's close. I can smell him

>Fuck you-WHUMP

The Imperial Army was always a nice addition. Them being gone is one of many reasons I ignore new canon.

>they're still in
>just a total shell of their former selves

>ANYONE WHO RUNS IS A REBEL
>ANYONE WHO STANDS STILL IS A WELL-DISCIPLINED REBEL

Eh, that's good enough for me, I guess.

Everything that Endor could have been but with a Vietnam theme.

>Clone Troopers wearing helmets without faceplates and skinning their armor down to just chest plates to help with the tropical heat

>"Give War A Chance" painted on the side of a clones helmet

>"This Machine Kills Droids" scrawled onto a DLT-19

RIP actual diversity
>Disney throws out the everyman bagguys in place of a white monolith

Mouse, you did what?

"....do you know who's in charge here?"

...

>tfw you will never go in country early in the morning hunting for rebel scum while steaming fog blankets the canopy and your buddy passes you a deathstick

...

Deathsticks aren't cigarettes, they are like heroin tubes.

Reposting the design docs for the TIE Fighter short from the last thread if anyone’s interested. Mostly character bios, with some concept art and art direction stuff.

mediafire.com/file/cpnc1oj27dkosc4

Wow, it's like they dont understand that Stormtroopers comes out of an elite german military arm back in WW1 that was totally not the entire German army.

Fucking retarded. There is a reason they are called "storm troopers" and not just "soldiers."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormtrooper

Bomber pilot is a qt

They had to smoke some strong shit in Starnam. Fucking rebel bastards in the trees, man.

user.
Deathsticks actually kill you.

How did Elan Sleazebaggano stay in business if all his customers died and didn't come back to buy more?

Ask any heroin or krokodil dealer, and you'll get the same answer. Lots of customers, lots of money.

yeah but like, not that much faster than any other high-body-harm drug, iirc.

Deathsticks only kill you slowly, like a year or so per pop.

Apparently they give you a ludicrously amazing high but are even more addictive than RL heroin.

starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Army

The Imperial Army still exists, though. They didn't remove it.

The point is that they are far from a mere tobacco/weed product. This ain't Spacenam material.

Now that gets me wondering what might be. It ain't spice, I think...

>How do you feel about Disney cutting the Imperial Army from their canon?
Wait wha...
Whew!

Yeah, I thought they where still part of the big dumb machine rattling around all the areas of the galaxy that are just so garbage and worthless that they don't even waste sending stormtroopers to.
Plus I like to model my Imperial military structure on zee WW2 Germanz, in that you've got various corps and forces all purchasing from various manufacturers and basically in some cases, anything they can lay their hands on to equip their forces. I think it adds a level of complexity to the back end of the the Empire where they have favourites like the Stormtroops and Navy getting wtfuck amounts of money, prime manufacturers and then there's all the various forces like the Imperial Army, ISB and so on just grabbing whatever the fuck they can try and make a uniform amount of equipment with.

And they all hate each other, won't work together unless they're specifically directed to from up on high

Actually:
creativecareinc.com/heroin-addiction-vietnam-war/
>“During my second tour,” he recalls “I started using dope over there; nearly everyone in my company was.” The escape from the daily terror and strain was easily countered by heroin. “It’s pretty much how it looks in some of those films, especially Full Metal Jacket.” Not only was daily survival a goal, but dealing with the deaths of many of his fellow soldiers – some of whom he went through basic training with – was something he had to get through.

What about Umbara?

Is that just supposed to be carrying the DLT-19 or is it some fancy shoulder mount?

GOAT arc definitely inspired by nam down to the fragging of a corrupt superior officer.

In Nam a lot of people dropped LSD and smoked Opium and shot up Heroin

Dude Umbara would be way better than Kashyyyk. Or Cholganna?

None of those take confirmed years off life. Deathsticks are serious shit.

Watching TLJ rekindled my love of Star Wars and the nature of the force. Here is my idea on how to fix Jedi after the prequels ruined them.

For one thing no uniforms. Why was Obi wearing robes? Because he lived on Tatooine where it is hot, dry, dusty and windy. They should dress in a manner suitable to their environment, preferably what everyone else is wearing so they don't stand out.

They don't own a fuck huge city sized mega-block on the planet with the highest land prices in the galaxy. They have a base of operations there because all the news goes through that planet eventually. The base is about 30 miles from the Senate in sub-basement of the Grand Library. They don't actually own the sub-basement or the library, they were just allowed to live there by a Head Librarian centuries past and never moved out.

They don't all carry light-sabers. Only the Knights do. The Scribes can cripple mega-corps with well placed letters to well placed people and quote legal precedent for days. In matters of civil conduct they will fucking destroy you and make you wish the Knights had done it clean and quick with a light saber.

They aren't centralized and don't have a hierarchy beyond the local temple. They all listen to the ones on Corisant but they aren't obligated to listen and have in the past quite often told them to go fuck themselves, politely. It's typically one Master to a temple.

Due to the decentralized nature of the Jedi doctrine varies quite wildly. Sith is a dirty word for an order another order thinks has gone too far. Typically only emo teens with questionable taste in music and fashion call themselves Sith. Exception being the extremely rare actual Sith who are pretty dangerous but self destructive creatures. One notable exception in recent history who was EXTREMELY dangerous and built an empire.

>Heroin doesn't take confirmed years off life

drugrehab.ca/what-is-the-life-expectancy-of-a-heroin-addict.html

> However, most of the hardcore, long-term heroin users will die by the time they are in their 40s or 50s.

Nucanon has destroyed any interest or intrigue or complexity the Jedi/Sith ever had.

>Corisant
>phonetic pronunciation of the planet name
Hue.
Someone hasn't dug much into the setting past the movies.

This is more writefaggotry, but I think it would be fun to write something with a wink and a nod to UC Gundam. Basically, asteroid miners decide to rebel over their working conditions. They modify mining machines into not!Mobile Suits and the Imperial Navy comes in to pacify when local security forces can't.

To give it some personal drama, I was thinking of having the governor being an corrupt, and abusive who undermines the Navy captain's desire to negotiate and give them a fair deal.

He was wearing robes just like Yoda was wearing similar robes, but on a swamp planet. Its banal attire meant to more or less fit on most planets. Its simple, comfy, loose for combat and presents an air of nobility and minimalism.

The Jedi temple on Coruscant should still exist, its basically the Jedi Vatican. Sub-Academies and Enclaves are all over the place in nu-canon. Stuff like Devaron's Eedit Temple or places like Jedha or Lothal.

Lightsabers should be universal, they are all Jedi and should have a means to protect themselves and others. They are also useful tools.

The hierarchy stuff is more or less implied with a great deal of the nu-canon Jedi being dispersed a lot, even in the Clone Wars era.

The last part is just plain dumb, makes it sound more like a YA Harry Potter rip off rather than Star Wars.

Were there any First Order TIE Bombers in TLJ?

Is this copy-pasta

>that pic

Does that mean we will have a Jabba the Hut standalone film?

>LALALALA THE ENTIRE WEHRMACHT WERE THE SCHULTZSTAFFEL ANYONE IN A GREY UNIFORM IS LITERALLY HITLER

No. The First Order is ironically more like the Rebellion in that they have a few multi-role models rather than a billion-and-one Sienar Glitterstim-fueled designs.

Both the TIE/fo and the TIE/sf are equipped with heavy missiles, protons I believe.

You spent a lot of time on this, but it's still shit. Western audiences just do not care for and order of warrior-monks. Old Ben worked because he operated like a ronin, and trained Luke in the samurai way.

At best, replace the Republic Guard with jedi, while "sages" are just intelligencemen and data analysts, but with supernatural instincts.
Even that's a hard sell.
The further jedi get from warriors, the worse they are. The more warrior-like they get, the more Luke stands out for looking past violence. It's an odd balance. Small wonder all PT material, movies and otherwise, can't make Jedi work.

Only if he wears timbs like on the right

user...

>heroichollywood.com/star-wars-jabba-hutt-standalone-film/

>tfw that pic makes you wonder if Togruta and Humans can cross-breed

Have Togruta officially dethroned Twileks as /swg/'s preferred space thots?

...

If twi'leks can do it, Togruta can do it.
If it makes you feel better, it'll probably not go through. At least we get an Obiwan movie.

Seeing TLJ has rekindled my desire to run star wars.
But im already running Eclipse Phase and Delta Green.

Im still considering picking up my old EOTE group and seeing if they want to go full AOR and engage in the civil war.
Why do i do this to myself

Here is part 2 of my ideas

Yoda would be either a scribe or a master and not knight. Maybe the first and only master to reach master without a lightsaber. Yoda would HAVE to never wield a sabre. He is not about that life

The Force has no biological component. Midiclorians are an indication but not a totally reliable one. They are a force sensitive bacteria found in force users. They glow slightly in the presence of force manipulation and disturbance. Many Jedi don't have them and many non-Jedi do. What causes the force? Fuck knows. Jedi scribes and masters have expended great amount of breath and ink that amounts to "fucked if I know". It's keyed to organic life except when it's not and you find a robot with the force and it's linked to sentience/sapience except when you find a lower animal that can use it.

It's possible to grow midiclorians in a jar and use them as Jedi detectors. They work some of the time but make better lightbulbs for temples too poor to afford electricity.

Jedi aren't usually required to be celibate except with the really strict temples but due to the nature of their work they are not considered good candidates for marriage. In a similar manner a Jedi's offspring is no more or less likely to have the Force, so you can't breed them. Similarly clones aren't any more likely to have the Force.

Jedi tend to be poor as most doctrines encourage a lack of materialism.

They make great court lawyers, advisers and royal bodyguards and the money they do make is typically pooled for upkeep of the temple and charitable causes. It is considered a great honour to be a Jedi but also a noble burden, hence why a lot of Force users leave or never join.

Most temples differ slightly in what they consider to be light side and dark side. But all typically hold they they must be a balance. Too much light side influence creates stagnation and corruption, too much dark side and people feel drawn to war.

Didn't one get CLONED

Honestly AoR seem like a lot of fun as long as you can weave it well and make it impactful.

Frankly, if I was GMing it and it was set around ANH, I'd consider having PC actions alter or change the course of the ensuing war (if they can), even if it erases canon. More fun that way.

No clones are sterile. He was literally raising his wife's kids.

I can see why it might be fun, but honestly, Id rather just run my own side shit.
The galaxy's more than big enough, after all, and there's a lot of other stuff to be done.

I really want to involve them in the taking of Coruscant one day though, I feel like that'd be fantastic fun.

>How do you feel about Disney cutting the Imperial Army from their canon?
I don't think they ever had a story role anyways. Every time the empire shows up in stories, it's with stormtroopers.

Might as well just formalize it

Your ideas are bad

You have only one option. Merge your Delta Green game with Star Wars.

Read the thread dumbass. Imperial Army is canon

Why friend?

Every time I want to run an AOR campaign I suddenly get lost because I realize I have no campaigns beyond *faction* PCs infiltrate *hostile faction* base.

It's a great system but it just doesn't feel like you can keep a party's interest for long.

user, you say that.
But I have actually been considering trying to run a star wars game with delta green.

Depends on what your party is, really.
Mine will probably end up being pilot/commando wombo combo, so i'll probably rip off Wraith Squadron wholesale.

I saw a mere moment after I posted that

But I'm rather indifferent.

right now my AoR campaign is focusing on destabilizing an imperial industrial center, soften the target for ultimate liberation from the empire.

One of the plot hooks I am seeding is that the workers are pissed there are no safety standards in star wars.

Make their actions have greater ramifications on the planet/sector/war/galaxy. Rebel missions are more than just infiltration -> smuggling -> hunting down enemy agents / counter espionage -> escort -> building networks of contacts -> etc.

You really need to build up the story of the war and your band of rebels impact on it. Also, be sure to include ranks, cast of characters that can rise/fall with or without you PCs. Consider having ramifications for the canon war effort, no need to stay anchored to the fact that death star 1 and 2 will always blow up.

Some thoughts.

>Jedi aren't usually required to be celibate
Sexual relationships involve passion. Passion leads to the dark side. That said, why is there no eugenic breeding program using harvested Jedi sperm and ova?

Hear me out
>Delta Green
>But with Death Troopers on highly classified asset recovery missions from the Emperor Himself
>Their missions are tied with the recovery of Sith Artifacts that severely fuck with their surroundings.
>Not even all of them are recovered from archeological sites of the Sith
>some are just weird little trinkets in the homes of unsuspecting buyers who are either severely corrupted or missing
>now you’ve got Amnesia meets Hellboy in Space

What sort of antics would Space! Delta Green get up to?

I'd play it.

Are the Vong more interesting than the FO?

Would NuWars have been improved if it vaguely followed the Vong Invasion?

Do I get the option to romance Mara-Jade? Please let me romance her.

That's sort of what I was planning, pretty much.

The other good way to do it, I think would be NR unit, Vong deathworld.

See above.
That's the most inhuman I can think of.

Though, the Bor Gullet from R1 could be a fantstic DG enemy.
Same for just about any sort of Sith shenanigans, or natural force users.
There's quite a few horrifying monsters out there.

Id probably roll Rebel Alliance squad sent to scout out new locations for bases - hence exploring off-the-charts planets with fucked up shit and weird people living there.
Alternatively, Imperial/Rebel/NR intelligence team sent to investigate a death cult based around a weirdly mutated form of the whole Sith 'religion'. Maybe something like the Bando Gora.

Nah, your wrong, clones weren't sterile. The child of the clone is literally listed as a human-twi'lek hybrid.

It's actually straight from George that the Jedi aren't required to be celibate.

As for why there's no breeding program? Because maybe it's not a reliable thing? There's far more indication of it being a random thing than something directly tied to genetics, with only one canon example outside of the Skywalker lineage of it passing through families (twin sisters in TCW).

Those were not his children. They were hers from another human mate.

Passion in and of itself does not lead to the dark side. Becoming a slave to your passions or being unable to control them is what truly leads to the fall.

The issue that comes up in my mind is that every campaign tends to lead to the same outcome.

Both Rebel and Imperial campaign ideas for me usually do try to incorporate all the espionage, subterfuge, behind-the-scenes stuff, and varying of objectives, but at the end of the day, your players are shooting their faction's enemies. At the end of the day, that's what it comes down to.

Maybe that's the intent since it is a military campaign system set around a galactic civil war, and don't get me wrong, I love the idea of SpecForce operatives trudging through a jungle avoiding an AT-ST patrol or a band of Imperial commandos going full action-badass on some scummy Rebels, but I don't feel like those can hold player attention. I feel like they work fine as ideas or even one-off flings, but as a long-term campaign, how many times can you shoot a Rebel or an Imperial and still be engaged in what's going on?

Maybe it's Roll20 that's ruined me. The idea that there are literally dozens of games out there that people can join or drop on a dime feels me with doubt on my own GM abilities, and I feel like if I don't hook and hold interest immediately, I'm wasting my time.

I didn't mean for this to get self-feels-projecty.

>yet

>Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
>Through Passion I gain Strength.
>Through Strength I gain Power.
>Through Power I gain Victory.
>Through Victory my chains are Broken.
>The Force shall free me.

Passion is LITERALLY the path to the dark side.

Ki-Adi-Mundi strikes me as the type of guy who goes to bed with his spouse(s) with this somber look you’d expect to see on a man drafted into war

Well it doesn't have to be military either. The system has really deep support for a party that never wants to touch a blaster.

You could be a roving band of scientists with an agitator trying to piss of the seinar slaves as you reverse engineer the drug infused nonsense he builds.

and that was something I cooked up in 10 seconds by just looking at two classes

>Ultimate Jedi serenity leads to the conclusion that life is meaningless and any progression of it is disorder, therefore stagnation is the ultimate harmony.
>Ultimate Sith freedom leads to the conclusion that life is shitty and to control it is to give in to your emotions and become a nihilistic sociopath, therefore emotional slavery is the ultimate liberation.

It's weird retrospectively just how bleak both major Force religions are and how much it rings like old Warhammer Fantasy material and Moorcock lore.

Was Yoda a little asshole partyboy back in the day, which he drew upon to mess with Luke in Empire? What was his chill/pull ratio?

He’s a step-father to them. I don’t think the clone wars, let alone the clone army for him to desert from, were around by the time the oldest was born. She’s at least 10 or 11 standard years old

Sometimes I just feel like what Fraudmeister Evans says is true: Star Wars has little to no creativity left.

Everything's been done. Every story's been told. Your party will never not be Rebs killing Imps/vice versa. Your adventures will never involve what someone else didn't already do.

I don't know if this is a shitty or cynical view of it but I've been pondering it a lot lately.

I know that feel user, I know it very well.
But the thing is even if you're right, and your DM skills arent the greatest - there's only really one way to improve them.
But I think the average player is going to recognise that you're trying, and have fun anyway - especially in something like Star Wars. Like, people dont play Star Wars so you can weave the finest goddamn story ever around them, do they.
People play Star Wars becuase they love Star Wars. They want to be in that galaxy, go to the places, fire the blasters, swing the lightsabers, and fly the spaceships.

Besides - it's not too hard to mix things up for a Rebel team.
One week they might be blasting their way into a prison to free some other rebels. But the week after, it could all just be diplomatically trying to talk some smugglers into working with them, or having to pull off some impressive stunts to bring them on board. Or perhaps one of the group's past comes to bite them in the ass and they go AWOL from the alliance to clear it out.
Then they're securing funding via any method possible - running heists on big criminal syndicates whilst making sure to not reveal that theyre Alliance agents. Collecting and running weapons shipments, sneaking into Imperial bases to steal tech or sabotage something, sneaking into the Imperial Academy to try and propagandise to prospective pilots.

You should go see a doc; I think you're depressed.

Eat some tums

>back in the day

He’s always been a little shit, though more serious during the clone wars. Truthfully, I wouldn’t be surprised if Yoda was actually asexual (not having sexual attraction towards gender) or gay but aromantic (not having desire for intimate relationships)

Hurr durr tumblr buzzwords I know, but ultimately wouldn’t surprise me

Yoda probably went free love for a half century and spent the rest of his time trying to live it down