I plan to start playing WH40k. After doing some reading I am considering either Black Templars or Death Guard. Which army will be best for new player? What are must-haves to play for 1000-1500 pts?
Robert Lee
I got Start Collecting Khorne Daemons and all the paint necessary to paint them.
Gavin Morgan
>Which army will be best for new player? your favourite one
Cameron Carter
you can paint the generic SM's as black templar, and both are included in all the big boxes, so go with what you like most. >must-haves rulebook, codex for your army, 1 hq i suggest getting something "bigger" to use as a nice centerpiece for your force and some troops or smth
Matthew Gonzalez
Repostan from old thread. OK, getting quite close to being able to run the full Genetor army, massive amounts of infantry spam and all. Still need a couple boxes of Skittles and preferably some Kastelans and Dunecrawlers, but how's this for now:
Total 2500 exactly. Points costs may be a little off because I was correcting to Chapter Approved points in my head, but there's little upgrades to tweak if needed. The general idea is that the secondary Dominus forms a mini-firebase with the Onagers, sniper Rangers and the 1CP-rooted Kastelans while I blow another 4CP on teleporting in 60 priests and the Warlord, leaving the random expendable Skitarii and Dragoons to secure everything between the two strongpoints and block/tie up anything that tries to chop the shooty or shoot the choppy more than once out of Deep Strike.
I may have gone a little heavy on the melee, but the idea of being able to disintegrate both Daemon Primarchs and all their screens in a blazing wall of lightning out of Alpha Strike appeals to me. Spending 5CP on deployment is harsh, which is why it needs a Brigade to sustain good offensive output at 1 or 2CP a turn after that, or dumping everything into a Beta Strike with a 3CP Fight Twice and 2CP 2++ to hold ground if that won't be feasible.
Two Dragoons, another box of Kairics to figure out how to convert and hopefully some Magi and Enginseers.
Austin Perry
Nth for a happy Sanguinala!
Austin Foster
In order to start playing, you need an HQ and at the minimum, 2 troops, or 3 of any other role.
get what you like.
Michael Richardson
Pick the one you like the most aesthetically as painting and modeling will take up the bulk of the Hobby.
Death Guard are solid and you can expand into Nurgle Daemons no problem.
Merry christmas warmasters epub from the other thread.
Ethan Ramirez
>at the minimum 2 troops or 3 of any other role you could go with 1 aux detachment to need only 1 thing, or if you dont want aux, just 1 hq and 1 troop for a patrol
Christopher Gray
Always pick your army by whatever is most OP at the time. If your army gets nerfed, trash it and buy a new one.
Nathan Foster
spoken like a true WAACfag I'm proud of you
Levi Powell
My room mate got me a cheeky Redemptor Dreadnought which I actually really wanted. Not sure how she knew I collected chads but she did. Best roomie ever, she totally slow rolled me and said she just got me random shit to unwrap as well.
Josiah Kelly
nice, they are cool models. Get a new bloodthirster, its very sexy.
Jacob King
>yfw she actually did get you random shit, and just got lucky >yfw you have no face
Gabriel Collins
Thats where i plan to go after i finish my Start Collecting Box. Going to be a bitch tho.
Jacob Wilson
Box of fire warriors from the gf :D Im not super used to getting anything much for Christmas cause come from a kinda poor family
Joshua Bell
Pick the one with your favorite lore unless you are a WAAC fag. Your unit composition should largely be determined by the people you fight with. If your community is pretty casual, you can just go with stuff that sounds cool. If they are more competitive, you will need a variety of different weapon types.
Eli Taylor
Why the Emperor was such a dick to Lorgar?
He could've turn the people from the planets the word bearers conquered to the imperial truth later
Chase Reed
>box of fw a very good choice, the ethereals will be proud of your gf
Evan Reed
They are both fairly friendly to newcomers as the Death Guard are in several of the bundle sets and Black Templars are generic space marines with an upgrade kit for non primaris marines. Of course space marines of either flavor are decently forgiving while being of middling strength in both shooting, psychic(which Black Templars as a chapter can't do anyways), and melee. In short if you're ok with a large starting purchase Dark Imperium would be a great starting place since you would get both factions of interest and offer a decent sampling of each faction. You wouldn't get to experience crusader squads which are simply fluffy tac squads for Black Templars with some unique changes or any unique options for HQs or faction options/allies with either faction if you just start with that box set.
As far as Death Guard go I'll let someone else cover them since I only play Black Templars atm. A good HQ for any Black Templar is of course an Emperor's Champion, which is our premier character killer. Outside of that if you want to stay fluffy you'll want to focus on all out brutal assault so Vanguard Veterans, Crusader Squads, Ironclad Dreadnoughts, Land Raider Crusaders and anything else that moves fast and packs a wallop. A good smattering of Chaplains wouldn't be amiss either as they help you out in the melee phase where are chapter tactics help you get stuck in. Overall you can field what you like and how you like it, barring Librarians, and generally do well with Black Templars. Hope you figure out what you like best!
Andrew Smith
>Through the influx of warp energies, the planet of Armageddon has been transformed into a hellscape. Daemon armies swept across battlefields no longer chained to the laws of reality. Luckily for the remaining Imperial armies (twenty-five regiments of Imperial Guard and elements of nine Adeptus Astartes Chapters) and the Orks (a variety of unknown clans), the Daemon legions were just as content to battle amongst themselves as to hunt down and eradicate the survivors. DUE TO COMMUNICATIONS DIFFICULTIES, the exact numbers of extracted Imperial defenders are unknown.
So is Armageddon pretty much fucked? Will it fall like Cadia? Can the Imperium afford to lose Armageddon? I mean, Cadia is still strong even with the loss of their homeworld because they breed like rabbits all over the imperium. Can we say the same about the Steel Legion?
Caleb Thomas
Nothing
Andrew Myers
Hey Veeky Forums,
I can't decide between pic related and the punisher sicaran.
Which should I get?
Bentley Reed
MERRY CHRISTMAS YA GITZ!
Lincoln Evans
Venator.
Jason Reed
Sanguinala came early this month for me in the form of all the Blood Angels stuff when it released. It was a good day.
Happy Sanguinala, user.
Isaiah Walker
>#2 conversion whats number 1? also how hard is it to remove the skull? I want to put blue on there
Ethan Thomas
Show me your dark eldar lists.
Benjamin Smith
Should I add edgy skulls on my farsight enclaves suits?
Kayden Cruz
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Nurgling.
Jaxson Reyes
I got nothing hobby related. Money is currently very stressful for me personally, and things are pulling up after getting laid off a little while ago. I have a job now, but I'm still catching up on bills. To top it off, my car's fuel pump recently have out on me, and the bill was nearly $600. What I got was $300 of that paid off, which is a huge burden taken off my plate that I am very grateful for.
Lincoln Rogers
>minimum 2 troops Not anymore. It's 0, 1, 3, or 6. Imho, the game would be a lot better off with enforced minimum troops again.
Andrew Butler
Got me some devastators and a captain! I'm going to make them into Bloody Magpies and give my Grey Knights some much needed ranged firepower.
Landon Green
£40 of random shit that turned out to be good and what I wanted is still good enough for me!
I got her dead of winter the boardgame. Best nerdy christmas ever.
Jacob Peterson
Merry Christmas, you miserable bastards
Landon Sanchez
Keep on trucking, user!
Thomas Bell
Nothing Veeky Forums related even though everyone knows how passionate I am about the hobby. All I got was 5 pairs of socks and some chocolate
Bentley Cook
Two Hive tyrants, one box a termagants, one box of hormagaunts, a nice wooden watch, a range bag(with electronic ear pro, a couple magazines, and a nice first aid kid), and all the components to build my own rifle.
Kayden Morgan
Merry Christmas anons. I got the memestealer battleforce from my family, which puts me at an impass: my favourite models in 40k are the solitaire, the archon, and the patriarch (inb4 xenos scum). I already collect dark eldar, and I’ve been painting up an old metal harlequin model. I can either keep the memestealers or return it and snag the clowns.
Owen Nelson
Santa brought me 2 extra days off to work on minis! Also, a Caliper which will be useful for when I start work on terrain.
Gabriel Lopez
Unless you play a lot of ork spam I see the autocannons as being more useful.
Elijah Davis
CODEX ONE DAY EVENTUALLY BROTHER BE FAITHFUL TO THE THRONG AND YOUR BELOVED FAMILY also just collect all three armies pussy
Mason Murphy
>The weak should fear the strong
Jackson Reed
Dashing Through the Snow, With a krak grenade in hand Charging Heretics... It's all part of Creed's plan!
The Light of our lasguns, give most xenos a tan! so run them over in a tank Chimera party van!
OOOOOOH!
Plasma's Hot! Guide My Shot, Oh great Emperor! cuz' its the only thing we've got to kill that terminator!
Plasma's Hot! Guide My shot, Mighty Emperor! Cuz' I'mma turn them killakans into smoking craters!
The Tau can hit a barn, With everything but fists. Get into melee, And they're bound to miss!
Sneaky Genestealers: They try to steal our shit! But my Executioners are having none of it!
OOOOOOH!
Plasma's Hot! Guide My Shot, Oh great Emperor! The zealotry of conscripts, is no longer so inspired!
Plasma's Hot! Guide My shot, Mighty Emperor! We'll bury all our foes with our overwhelming fire!
Ryder Brown
keep the genestealers.
Ryan Rivera
>Tfw you got another Start Collecting Admech AND a Imperial Knight
Deus Ex Machimas, and merry Christmas!
Easton Rivera
I gots necromunda and a bits box bag with about 40 marines, including a metal jump pack chappie
Jeremiah Sanchez
So does anyone know where to get a good supply of miniatutre pistols like those from Kroot Carnivores or Empire Pistoliers? The ones on Horde O' Bits were all out of stock, and I don't know where else to look.
Christian Morales
I got some melta sisters! Enough for another group of dominions, damn fine hall.
Now that is a rich family. Enough for a squad of Dominions.
Ayden Richardson
I got one of those magnifying glass/light combos. From everyone. Everyone I know got me one. I have no idea what to do.
Bentley Martinez
PESTIGORS TOO!
Angel Hill
Couple of giftcards to my FLGS. Gonna pick up another unit of Dire Avengers or maybe some warithblades. Maybe a SC Drukhari set. Who knows?
Jaxson Rodriguez
Puppetswar and Anvil Industries both sell flintlock pistols
Blake Torres
So would this thing be best to proxy as a rhino for my cultists?
Xavier Johnson
>tfw you kinda like IG, especially Krieg but feel like they have too many tanks in their armies and it just feels like a boring tank/soldier army and nothing else
Henry King
Got spacehulk, gang war, a DKoK command squad, levithan dreadnought and a Exocrine.
Colton Butler
120$ from which ill spend 80$ on jetbikes Better start Death Guard. Black templars have barely any rules and I don't think it will change soon
Xavier Evans
Keep the genestealers, even if you don't plan on playing them, the battleforce gives you all of their good looking units for display. Playing the army is difficult because it requires shittons of expensive infantry, as well as ally tyranids or guard to be viable at all.
Daniel Butler
It is taller, smaller foot print.
We already responded you this like 4 thread ago. Stop this madness
Luis Hernandez
Yes. It even comes with a dozer blade, in case you want to use that.
Robert Bailey
>retard car instead of alien tech so this is the power of jean stealers
Adam Scott
Cheaper than playing pure SoB
Blake Cox
>feel like they have too many tanks in their armies and it just feels like a boring tank/soldier army and nothing else that's what IG is though, i'm sorry for your loss user
David Richardson
Keep them on rotation for when the batteries die and you have to recharge it.
Ian Torres
>genestealer cults >alien tech No. Cults don't work that way.
Chase Bailey
geneSTEALERS are the niggers of 40k. They steal all their shit.
Christopher Reyes
Haruspex, Tyranid Start Collecting, a Broodlord, and the best model of last year...
Jack Harris
Check it an weep, Tzeentch cucks.
Elijah Foster
Most things in life are cheaper than playing pure SOB.
Jayden Jackson
Is it ok to use FW Primarch models for Daemon Primarchs? Are they too small?
David Rogers
Forgeworld BTFO once again. I love that face-framing smile.
Justin Gomez
>shop has multiple SoB players >I'm the only Tau player just because i hate metal models too much to play SoB
Aaron Hall
Then don't run tanks my man.
Valkyries, Vendettas and Vultures is the patrician choice anyway. With grav chute drops the frontline is wherever you want it.
Sebastian Rivera
GSC are viable casuallyafter CA. Throwing 16 purestrains with the Primus and 8 with the patriarch is usually hilarious.
Gabriel Phillips
Yes, they're too small. Height is not the problem, since they already come on scenic bases, and you could just increase the size of those, but width definetly is, considering that all of them have huge, broad wings in daemon form.
Jack Rivera
Thanks user. It's one less thing.
Christopher Martin
i understand that my friends, all i mean is that i am disappointed with them. They are just malformed IG
Jonathan Rogers
Brrrrt
Charles Sullivan
Ventilation hood, airbrush and compressor
Jose Bennett
*dunks in washes and takes blurry photo* Yes, that'll be 113 dollars for 10 pro painted cultists please.
Juan King
>Two HQ and two troop choices Why not make it 12 with the Primus, and 2 x 8 with the patriarch? That'd be a full battalion detachment.
Jayden White
So try another theme. IG has more styles of play than almost any other codex.
Grab some flyers, some veterans, and some tempestus and play an airborne game.
Grab the Ogryn auxilia, a big-ol' FW transport and try bashing your enemies' brains in with clubs.
Perhaps static artillery emplacements and cavalry if you like krieg.
No one's making you use tanks, dude.
Gabriel Brown
So what do I do about the nose turret, just ignore it?
Benjamin Jackson
washes are the best though
Julian Ross
>10/10 would pay for
David Lopez
I got a small drone
Daniel Kelly
Because the Primus has crazy deployment power after CA. You’re basically assured whatever you want on the ambush table. And don’t forget the magus and iconward. That’s 4 HQ.
Jaxon Hill
drones are best you should run a commander/drones only army
Mason Hughes
Thats what they were always going to be dude, they hide and then rise up using civvie equipment.
Lincoln Ross
...
Carter Campbell
If only storm troopers still looked like that.
Jack Cook
The list above was just a patriarch, a primus and a total of 24 genestealers. Of course, whoever has a patriarch and a primus will also have a magus, unless they bought them separately off of a reseller or something.
The Iconward is good in game, but a waste of money if you consider the fact that acolyte hybrids are usually 6.6 euros each (iconward is 20).