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Previously, on /5eg/:
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Honest thoughts on Keyleth?

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lostmypassword
lostmypassword

He doesn't play an elf

Methnerd
Methnerd

Glad she's dead/retired/whatever

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Xth for complaining about/promoting a feature after lvl 11 is retarded

Evilember
Evilember

Our group has some questions about mounted combat. When on horse it can either Dash Dodge or Disengage. So basically when you're on horse on combat it can literally dash all the time?

If it disengages, does it also count for you? Giving you basically free disengages?

If the mount has attacks (a beast) can it attack while you are directing it?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Is Travis the best Critical Role member?

JunkTop
JunkTop

Reminder to ignore shitposter threads.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

After Mercer, obviously, and tied with Sam I would say. Although Laura has been pretty good this season, Vex limited her a lot last season, but she is clearly very talented.

Emberfire
Emberfire

More on building a custom item for each player (normie players love this shit).

The Dreams Druid has recently fallen in love with summoning owls to help her friends. I'm trying to think of a nice "once per day" boost to give to her quarterstaff.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Someone make a real thread

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

You know, I think Travis and Sam are probably the best, because they have empathy, and let other players have fun. They only seem to get annoyed when others tell them they are having the wrong type of fun.
Both Sam and Travis have told Marisha "You're not there" so I respect them a lot for that.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

I swear OP is a faggot, why the fuck is he introducing shitical role into the 5th edition thread?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Pillows

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Who is the real problem here?

5mileys
5mileys

She already has those in real life, attached to her chest. They're very nice.

cum2soon
cum2soon

They only seem to get annoyed when others tell them they are having the wrong type of fun
Or if someone hits on their wives. RIP Orion

hairygrape
hairygrape

Travis and Sam shutting down Marisha trying to butt into private moments is what I live for.

TechHater
TechHater

Can't have Travis without Laura.
They are a great example of a couple at the table doing it right.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Keyleth is pretty much a very pressured noblewoman who does not really want to be that type of person/can't but has to because her people need her to. Though she has a high wisdom score as she is a Druid, I don't think she's the wisest person around which is fine as not everyone needs to play their stats.

I do wish she had a more defining personal philosophy to back up that wisdom though. That way her higher wisdom can be explained by her personal views on the world and the people she meets. People could then say "Keyleth is wise in her own way" meaning there are things she's not very wise about that others would be, sort of like a philosopher.

But this is all in the past we got Beauregard now, who seems to be very similar to the whole avoid authority thing/can't work with the authority figures. Its still kinda early to make judgment calls on how she is going to work.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Isn't this just MM?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

So basically when you're on horse on combat it can literally dash all the time?
Yes, but only if it's trained to follow commands. So don't expect to jump on the back of a wild bear and get the same effect.
If it disengages, does it also count for you? Giving you basically free disengages?
Correct. You only provoke opportunity attacks if you use your own movement to leave a hostile creature's reach.
If the mount has attacks (a beast) can it attack while you are directing it?
No. If you're directing the mount, it can't take the attack action. If you let your mount act independently, it has its own initiative and attacks and moves as it wishes to.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Damn I wish this were a CR general but people are only going to get pissy if we answer the question in the OP

Bidwell
Bidwell

Lazy mods.

likme
likme

Travis and Laura's marriage in general warms my cold, black heart. They both seem to genuinely care for one another and have enough of an interest in the other's hobbies (Travis being a huge football/Cowboys fan) to get the other gifts related to it (Laura got them tickets to see their training camp for his birthday last year).

It's also funny to see how lewd Laura gets and Travis just gives her a general look of, "I approve."

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Official Cast Tier List

Top tier: Mercer, Sam, Travis
Mid tier: Laura, Talliesin
Bottom Tier: Ashley, Guest Stars
Shit Tier: Marisha

Liam fluctuates between mid and shit tier depending on how butt hurt he is that quarter. I love him anyway though

TreeEater
TreeEater

I think there was a lot of stuff behind the scenes with orion, but on screen, it's the fact he'd always try to game the system, like far worse than anyone else at the table, he'd try to play other people's characters for them too and otherwise ground the game to a halt.

all of that isn't so bad when when you're doing 10 hour sessions every month or so in the privacy of a friends house, but 4 hour slot every week going out to thousands of people, it wasn't going to last.

Snarelure
Snarelure

not everyone needs to play their stats.
Try to make your bait less obvious

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Its still kinda early to make judgment calls on how she is going to work.

No it isn't. Marisha is "that girl" and "the gms girlfriend" all rolled up into one drugged up package. She won't change.

RumChicken
RumChicken

I haven't seen first season, and the last episode either. I agree that Travis (Fjord, I don't remember their real names) is very good, I like Caleb and Nott duo a lot as well, but especially Caleb. The rest? Bou >>>>>> Jester and Moly.

I don't know why Yasha even opted for participating in the series when she is unable to attend at all.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Most of their guest stars have been more hit than miss, I'd probably move them as a whole to mid-tier.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Last season there was like ONE episode where Laura and Travis didn't sit next to each other, and she was immediately all sad about it.

Tfw you don't have a wife that attached to you

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Yes, don't think there's any that cover VGM and the modules too.

Mods can't stop you from getting upset at an image.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Keyleth was an ok character that was elevated by her relationships with other characters. Vax, Kash, Kerr, etc. Most of her growth came from being around these people rather than doing anything herself.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Actual 5e thread over here
veekyforums.com/thread/58172442/games
veekyforums.com/thread/58172442/games
veekyforums.com/thread/58172442/games

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Because it's an ongoing event of note that's directly related to D&D 5E? Nobody's forcing you to watch that shite.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Thread wars
Cause thatll fix everything

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

What? Salty Pete, The tiefling warlock, and Kash (money) were all great characters. Kash played a bit abruptly on social interactions, but he was good in game. The tiefling warlock should have been made into a regular since she was so passionate, and amusing to watch.

Ashley is also just a nice person. She's trying to roleplay a big storng don't care about anyone barbarian, but I think it's just pyke again, but big. Ashley also let's people have fun at the table, which is probably the best trait you can ask for in a player.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Yeah I was about to say, wasn't Volo's really praised for the diversity it brought to monster stats/choices?

Sort of related, Mordenkainen's is basically going to be MM3 right?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Mary Elizabeth should have joined the cast permanently. I hope she comes around as a guest again. Darin de Paul too.

whereismyname
whereismyname

At the risk of starting more conflict in the thread, why do people prefer CR to other shows. The C team blows it away imo, JH is a way better dm

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

They're saying it won't be, but that's what it sounds like right now.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Was it autism?

How do you prefer your driders, blessing or a curse?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

I like Volo because Aasimars are my jam, and the stats/options were way cooler then that BS anti-tiefling from PH.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Critical Role is not invasive enough to care about forcing a new thread and reporting this one. Just carry on, post to bump limit, and make the thread yourself next time if you care so much.

happy_sad
happy_sad

I don't like the C-team because the game feels way too similar to like, Team Four Star dubs.

likme
likme

Don't reply to him. He wants attention. Just report duplicate threads as they pop up.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

this many people defending shadfag
it didn't have to be this way

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

She should have stayed away until she's free and then join properly, instead of being this character ghost that is hovering around in the back of everyone's minds. Repeated attempts at briefly rejoining the party and leaving for mysterious reasons are far, far worse and more awkward than making one solid and convincing entrance. The party has no reason at all to welcome her character amidst their ranks.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Is that an anime thing?

RumChicken
RumChicken

I don't prefer it, but it is the easiest to access, with decent production values, and has a nice smattering of diverse people. I also started watching there, and I like voice acting, which CR has in spades. With my limited amount of time, I tend to only watch CR since I've been invested in the product for three years.

I also might switch, since the new campaign has not drawn me in at all.

DeathDog
DeathDog

You're right, Ashley is a super nice person, that rating wasn't necessarily against her as a person, just my opinion on what her characters have overall brought to their table/story. Hell even the shit tier rating for Marisha was more meme than anything, though I did think she could really actively detract from what was going on at points.

FastChef
FastChef

Nobody cares about your Discord drama, cunt. Take it off our site.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Surely there's already a critical role thread you could all be posting in.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Yeah, it's primarily a parody dub of dragonball z done by a bunch of people who did parody dubs for other anime

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Yeah, it's goobers who do abridged versions of stuff like DBZ and Yugioh.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Not everyone does, I know some people who don't play the super high intelligence characters with large degrees of intelligence. There are people who don't play the old wise individuals as old wise individuals. In my mind from what I have seen, Marisha could play a wise character that heavily follows their unique personal philosophy, but to the outside world that philosophy would be absurd or stupid in a lot of cases. Like jumping off a 1,000-foot cliff just because your personal view on the world is all about freedom and fun, even if it gets you killed.

I think the biggest issue with Beauregard is that she is very similar to Keyleth (Both high wisdom and pseudo-antiauthority figures), who was similar to Marisha. The only difference so far is one punches you and does not mind, while the other would bite you and feel bad about it.

rolled up into one drugged up package.
Do you have proof that is drugged up while playing?

She won't change
Her characters won't change, that's the problem to me. They are too similar to her and too staunch in their worldviews to change. I feel if she wanted to make a character that was open to change she can. I only worry that they would be very similar to her and not really feel like characters.

Spamalot
Spamalot

I only watch Critical Role so I can't really compare it to other shows but I enjoy it for it's high production values, the likable cast with amazing chemistry, and it's ability to be both hilarious and heart wrenching.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I knew most of the cast from weeb games. That's probably it really.

King_Martha
King_Martha

There isn't, fags like you report them

5mileys
5mileys

I've never noticed this, somone timestamp it pls

massdebater
massdebater

Do you have proof that is drugged up while playing?
2nd half of the Kraken episode

idontknow
idontknow

Fair enough, I dont have much free time to give to another show, and each CTeam ep is +2hr30. The story is rich and the characters are really well played.

Now has anyone given the gamegrumps dnd show a chance?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

(Both high wisdom and pseudo-antiauthority figures), who was similar to Marisha.

No, the problem is Marisha's parents took Wis/Int as a dump stat when making her, and she keeps trying to roleplay high int/wis characters, which she does not have the mental capacity to do. She'd be much better off as a barbarian.

Do you have proof that is drugged up while playing?
There are several episodes where it is clear she is quite high, to the point the rest of the group are keeping her from falling over/climbing on the table. Even a bad player could pay attention more then she could, the number of times she looked up with a vacant stare saying "Whuuu?" when Matt asked what her char was doing was embarrassing.

Her characters won't change, that's the problem to me
Marisha can't roleplay. She plays herself every game. Her anti-authority, bad relationship with parents, hypocrisy, and trying so hard to be cool and failing bleed over into every game.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Well I think everyone this campaign tried to make characters that were flawed or able to grow in some way because they're actors and they know this is going to be a long form story.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Avert your eyes, he's stumbled upon the hidden truth of Critical Role

Marisha still only plays as a self insert after 5 years

DeathDog
DeathDog

CTeam ep is +2hr30. The story is rich and the characters are really well played

What should I search on youtube to find it, because honestly the new season of CR is boring and the chars do not interest me at all.

FastChef
FastChef

I wouldn't call getting drunk from the alcohol they were all sharing "getting drugged up"

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

As a person playing a high wisdom character currently, It's really fucking hard to roleplay a high wisdom character. The definition of what is "wise" varies from person to person, and its been very hard to come up with solid logical advice every single time my party debates over what to do or not do, especially with the additional constraint of alignment to think about.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

character
growth
This is an unfamiliar term to these people. I enjoy Critical ROle but to them "character growth" i just bad things happening to them and them being haunted by it.

Supergrass
Supergrass

not everyone needs to play their stats
I only have 6 Str but I can lift this wagon
I only have 6 Dex but I can do like 10 cartwheels
I only have 6 Con but I can hold my beer

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

he thinks she was drunk
adorable

viagrandad
viagrandad

Eh, that's a common writing trap though. People mistake bad shit happening for growth instead of an impetus for growth pretty often, and the line can get blurry.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

And yet all the others were able to be useful. Hell this was KEYLETHS FUCKING STORY and she couldn't pay attention when it was anyone else's turn.

Oh, 5e question, How would you improve sorcerors, or do their strengths outweigh their drawbacks?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I'm just saying to the guy who thinks these characters will change much by the end of the campaign, they wont they'll just be edgier

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Burning as many resources as necessary, what's the most possible damage a PC can do in a single turn, at 5th level? Let's say it's against a single target. I'm thinking that either Action Surge or Quickened Spell is probably a given.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Can you tell me what JH abbreviation is from?
What are other good campaigns (whether from JH or not, but not CR) to watch to learn the general feeling of the game?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

I'd nerf their spell list so they have more spontaneous magic, the kind of magic you could kind of see them figuring out on their own without magical education. 10min casting times are too long for someone who's supposedly innately magical

Illusionz
Illusionz

By deleting them and making a wizard subclass for metamagic. Just play a bard or warlock if you want a Cha caster.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Oh, 5e question, How would you improve sorcerors, or do their strengths outweigh their drawbacks?

Let them exclusively operate off the spell point variant. Done. They're still constrained by only 1 6-9 lvl cast per level per day, but outside of that they can throw 5th lvl fireballs around all fucking day for serious firepower.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Eh, I think you'll see growth from Sam and Travis' characters, because I think Grog and Scanlan were the only characters that grew in the first campaign.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Go to penny arcade’s channel. Your looking to start with S1E1

massdebater
massdebater

HarmonQuest can be pretty funny, but only because it's animated and they're comedians. It's incredibly inconsistent though. They animate each session after they play in front of a live audience, and it definitely needs polish. Could have been a very good show if they basically played several sessions (in front of an audience or not, I dont care) and then animated the good bits from those recordings rather than trying to cobble together an episode from every session

Inmate
Inmate

not everyone needs to play their stats
I only have 6 Str but I can lift this wagon
I only have 6 Dex but I can do like 10 cartwheels
I only have 6 Con but I can hold my beer
Not him but all of these things would normally require rolls. I think maybe he means playing a retard if your int is low, being an autist if your wisdom is shit, or being ugly/ineffective speaker if your CHA is garbage.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Waht is the spell point variant? I am a first time dm and the sorc in my party says that he thinks the class is underpowered and my read through of the class seems to agree, in terms of options all sorc have is there spells.

Emberburn
Emberburn

No even Scanlan's motivation was literally
oh god i have a daughter and i keep almost dyings, also i'm a bad person
And how did Grog change at all?

Flameblow
Flameblow

When was the last time your DM asked for a check after you spent a night at a tavern?

RavySnake
RavySnake

I think bard is worse then sorceror for classes. I never understood a bard being able to polymorph someone through song, seems stupid.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

JH is Jerry Holkins aka Tycho from Penny Arcade. He DMs the Cteam, but plays his cleric during Acquisitions Inc games at Pax

DeathDog
DeathDog

Paladin with PAM can do 2d10+8d8+1d4+9

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

And how did Grog change at all?

He grew a beard, and also started approaching things more tactically, rather then a charge with an axe. I think the mind devourer fucked him up and he began his change there.

whereismyname
whereismyname

DMG 288

Nojokur
Nojokur

recommending anything that penny arcade has ever made ever

King_Martha
King_Martha

Harmonquest/ harmontown podcast are great. They’ll drive people who take dnd seriously insane, but its a great lesson for DMs on how to improv and go with the flow of your characters. Spencer is based DM

Skullbone
Skullbone

Look at Grog in Critical role, you can tell Travis had trouble at times because Travis is not low int or wis, but grog was barely able to read. There are times when Travis flat out said "wait, I wouldn't know that." That's a-grade player material, no meta bs, just a player roleplaying not being smart.

Then take Marisha, a high wis character would know better then to try and interrupt peace talks with a green dragon, or constantly threaten to kill it, then actually try and kill it after all those threats. Just pure stupid because marisha can't operate on that mental level.

Firespawn
Firespawn

He's a solid DM sure but again, they try to make every session an episode which leaves in a lot of not knowing what to do or just lines that werent funny and didn't add anything. I'd have prefered a fully animated quest after all the sessions were done, even if it meant making a script of the adventure and turning that into a show, because unfortunately their improv is inconsistent.

RavySnake
RavySnake

My DM has homebrew for drinking games actually.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

all sorc have is there spells.
So over a hundred options, then? Also don't underestimate their subclass class features.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Watched the first episode and was bored to tears. The only amusing bit was the ankle strafe against the cultists that went wide. They made really sure that apart from their attempts at comedy, the series had no redeeming features at all. Throwaway excuse plot, lowest-effort minimalist setting, characters flat as a cardboard. Pass.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

It's in the DM's guide. Basically it makes them use an MP system with the same scaling as the sorcery point->spell slot conversion, except they get way more than 1 MP a level. They become a lot more flexible with the number of spells they can cast per day as a result. You will have to give some thought as to how to balance their metamagic feature though, cause if you make them operate off the same pool, they do eventually end up being able to just add metamagic to every single spellcast with no worries about conservation

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Look, I'm not saying they can't be powerful, it just seems like 'the cool stuff' other classes get on levelling isn't part of a sorceror build, it somehow seems, boring, which should never be a word you associate with a magic user.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Nervous and jumpy does not mean drugged.

She'd be much better off as a barbarian.
I think she could pull off a charisma character with lower WIS and INT scores. Or a Fighter or Rogue.

There are several episodes where it is clear she is quite high, to the point the rest of the group are keeping her from falling over/climbing on the table.

Could you point one out to me? She comes off more as hyper, excitable, and nervous 99% of the time when she was playing Keyleth to me.

Marisha can't roleplay. She plays herself every game. Her anti-authority, bad relationship with parents, hypocrisy, and trying so hard to be cool and failing bleed over into every game.

Agreed, to an extent. I feel like as an actor she can roleplay a different character she is just making people who are just self-insertions thus they just come off as her without really being characters.

I want to see her play a High charisma character with completely different views on everything she stands for. That would be the test for me to see if she's actually a bad roleplayer, because if this character comes off like that then the self-insertion will continue to bleed through and that's a problem.

I'd agree, but it does not seem that way. Matt seems to be playing up the "Follow what your heart want" vibe with her. They are taking the anti-authority monk and are using it for good and not taking the chance to change her.

Oh no I knew about this for a long time. You catch these things after a while ya know?

The DM can say to all of those things, you tried, but failed. The mental stats can be explained as small burst of knowledge or idiocy.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

A hundred options would imply they got to pick anything approaching a large portion of that

happy_sad
happy_sad

There's also Grog becoming less selfish and relying on his friends more rather than his own strength which he did at the start. It's not a massive character arc or growth, but for a Barbarian it's more than I'd expect.

5mileys
5mileys

know better then to try and interrupt peace talks with a green dragon
I could argue that's a call on Charisma(manners, social etiquette, etc.) but I get the point you're making.

askme
askme

+9
Shouldn't that be 8 or 10?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Honestly, I loved the Dragon Age game Hardwick played for tabletop, if only to see Wil fuck up walking thanks to his dice rolling.

If you have a chance, the CR one shots, specifically GroGs Bunions and Flagons, and Vox Moronica, are fucking great.

I punch the Horse.
Classic Dwarven Technique

Salty Pete is a god damn legend.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Did anyone ever try using three-pillar experience? What was your experience with it like?

media.wizards.com/2017/dnd/downloads/UA-ThreePillarXP.pdf

FastChef
FastChef

9 or 12, depending on if you went vhuman. Three attacks with +3 or +4

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

An option is an option whether or not you decide to pick it.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Can you make your own fucking Critical Role thread instead of bringing it to the 5e general?

Illusionz
Illusionz

Can someone tell me any ways to puy out a torch without using magic?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Then take Marisha, a high wis character would know better then to try and interrupt peace talks with a green dragon, or constantly threaten to kill it, then actually try and kill it after all those threats. Just pure stupid because marisha can't operate on that mental level.

You could also make the claim that her character in that instance is irrational and is conversing against their personal main antagonist, thus they don't want to listen to logic or reason because they are angry. Not a lot of my characters would ever be willing to sit down and have a calm conversation with a demon lord or Death Knight that killed their family or something.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Smother it in dirt?

King_Martha
King_Martha

Can you be less of a salty bitch?

viagrandad
viagrandad

Dunk it in water. Dunk it in sand. Dunk it in baking soda.

happy_sad
happy_sad

It's a general thread, just join the part of the discussion you want to join and don't get your knickers in a twist.

takes2long
takes2long

Lack of air.

Alternatively, explosive/flammable gas, everything's a torch now.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

ONE OF US ONE OF US

Why would you? Don't Thaumaturgy and Prestidigitation both extinguish flames? Just play a High Elf or a Tiefling, or take 1 level of any spell caster, or take the magic initiate feat

hairygrape
hairygrape

Remove one of these from fire

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

5 pali, with 20 str, great weapon master, haste, using a 1d12 weapon, critting on every hit and getting an extra attack from killing a creature is

(4d12+10d8)*2+35 for 163 damage total

I haven't theroycrafted this before so just a guess

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Shove it in the cultist leader's face.

Techpill
Techpill

GroGs Bunions and Flagons
I definitely wouldn't recommend this to a person who has never seen critical role because it's a lot of in jokes and references. I would suggest Liam's Screw Job one shot or The WoW one shot.

TreeEater
TreeEater

You could make your own rather than discussing something only tangentially related to 5e.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Explain yourself user, PA are legit good people making good content

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Lick hand
grab flame

DeathDog
DeathDog

Just post in the other thread, people want to shitpost about ecelebs in this one.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

forgot to add the str bonus another 3 times so 178, my bad

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

single targt
extra attack from killing a creature
I mean, I guess you can damage a corpse

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

So, what does everyone think of a Shaman class filling the role of a WIS half-caster? I'm homebrewing one right now and the two archetypes I've decided on are: Spiritual Connection and Ancestral Strength.

Spiritual Connection gives them an improved familiar as a Spirit Animal that fights alongside them and Ancestral Strength focuses on bolstering themselves with tattoos, totems and such.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Games being played using 5e is only tangenitally related

Ok user. Why don't you go make a thread that is only discussing rules for the game.

Then we'll have one thread for the rumours

One thread for the streams/utilities.

One thread for the "Wat Do"

You see the problem here?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

The post I was replying to did not specify it had to be dealt to one target

viagrandad
viagrandad

Why can't it just be a druid subclass? Why can't it just be shepherd druid?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

As an addendum, vs. an 2 undead opponents and using both lvl 2 smites and 2 lvl 1 smites, that 10d8 can actually be 36d8 i think.

TreeEater
TreeEater

You're not even discussing 5e itself, you're discussing actors and how they act, this is just an e-celeb thread in disguise.
If they were still using pathfinder, none of these conversations would play out any differently.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Whoops, sorry. the lvl 1 smites are 3d8 vs. undead, lvl 2 are 4d8, so its 28d8.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

What makes this worse is it's the same pic that's been used the past 3 times CRposter's made a thread.
I'm not convinced it ISN'T just paizofag.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Then take Marisha, a high wis character would know better then to try and interrupt peace talks with a green dragon, or constantly threaten to kill it, then actually try and kill it after all those threats. Just pure stupid because marisha can't operate on that mental level.

That would literally be a Charisma check, it's a social situation. Wisdom is about empathy and being observant.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

you're discussing actors and how they act
How they act in regards to what user? You mean how they act in a 5e campaign? How they interact with the rules of 5e?Is that what you mean to say?

eGremlin
eGremlin

If they were still using pathfinder, none of these conversations would play out any differently.
They'd be in the pathfinder general.
Must be a lonely life for you user, that you can't accept discussion about 5e games in a 5e thread.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Wisdom is about empathy and being observant.
Which Keyleth (Marishaingame) couldn't do.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

So is the demonym for someone who lives in Amn, Amniotic?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Anybody run a roll20 D&D group on Wednesdays or Thursdays? I know I'm kinda shooting in the dark here but I just want to play a Rogue (I've always played Barbarians unfortunately) and I'll literally learn an edition just to play

cum2soon
cum2soon

Cartoons have come a long way since my childhood. Bionic Titan or something like that right?

massdebater
massdebater

Non-Paizofag thread
veekyforums.com/thread/58173404/games
veekyforums.com/thread/58173404/games
veekyforums.com/thread/58173404/games
veekyforums.com/thread/58173404/games

Inmate
Inmate

poster keeps putting in advertisement links and an irrelevant video just to cause drama
watches like a hawk to make sure he posts his general first, sometimes going so far as to post when the old one is on page 4 or 5
it might be the guy who has repeatedly said his only goal is to shit up the general because we're less cancerous than /pgg/
You don't fucking say.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Who's Keyleth?

Methnerd
Methnerd

Maybe try discussing 5e instead of bitching about nobody discussing 5e

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Are you a retard?
The green dragon wanted to kill the red dragon because the red dragon fucked the green dragon over, Marisha was constantly ANGERY at the green dragon for killing some of her people, which is fine except she openly told it she wanted to kill it, and then later did try to kill it and forced an engagement when the party was tired.
She had like 18 or 19 wisdom at that point she should know better than to behave so recklessly and she should have seen the green dragon was at least truthful about it\s motivation. Thats a problem she has a lot actually, and it came up just a couple episodes again, she'll ask someone a question, they answer her truthfully, she insight checks them, discovers they're being truthful, then asks "but whats the REAL answer?" because she's below average IQ trying to be smart so she thinks that nothing can be as it seems even when it is

Emberfire
Emberfire

I want to make a gish that doesn't cast in battle, just has preparatory buffs before they begin. Things like smite would be okay, just as long as it wasn't casting a spell. Are there any classes that would do that well?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Same reason paladin isnt just a fighter or a cleric I guess.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Warlock

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Aww, did the mods delete your prior attempt at a thread war?

Poor snowflake.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

This conversation would still make just as little sense in the paizo thread as it does here, because not everyone who plays a system watches a shitty celeb show thag happens to use said system.

Emberfire
Emberfire

And not everyone who plays a game cares about rules discussion, but that's why we have a general,so we don't spam the board with 80 5e threads.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Critical Role
geekandsundry.com/shows/critical-role/
Raven Queen in Dungeons and Dragons
youtu.be/gXWgG83jyaI [Embed]
Please remove these from future OPs, they only cause drama and don't add anything to the general. Also one is blatant advertisement, which is against the rules, and I don't want the threads to start being deleted.
Thanks.

FastChef
FastChef

trying to reason with the irrationally autistic

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

It's no different than somebody having a discussion about a module or UA I haven't read.

takes2long
takes2long

Actually, I think we should add a bunch of 5e streams to the header.

CR
HarmonQuest
Some of the others mentioned in the thread.

Not really advertisement at that point, just helpful links to players who want to see what a game of 5e can be like.

hairygrape
hairygrape

But everyone who plays 5e knows what you're talking about when you refer to a rule. A very small minority of 5e players and a smaller number of anons actually watch that shit.

If what you're talking about requires context that can't be found in an official 5e book, it doesn't belong here

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

IIt's occupying ~90% of the thread. At what point does it become invasive?

More options you can't pick, or won't pick, isn't a benefit. As proof, look up feats in PF. Sorcerers don't get 150 spells, they more often get 15 or less, because not everyone is level 20.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

PHB 178
Charisma
A Charisma check might arise when you try to influence or entertain others, when you t ry to make an impression or tell a convincing lie
or when you are NAVIGATING A TRICKY SOCIAL SITUATION
I don't watch this show, but Peace talks would most definitely fall under tricky social situation to me. And those threats are definitely an Intimidation check which definitely falls under charisma.

Now she might know how the Dragon is feeling in this particular moment from her Wisdom, but that doesn't mean she knows how to handle the situation properly.

That's like Deanna Troi handling negotiations on the Enterprise instead of Picard/Riker simply because she knows what emotion they're feeling.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

One doesn't require several hours of watching ecelebs screech to get context.
One is 5e content th at only makes sense within the context of 5e.
One isn't blatant advertisement of a podcast.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Its still kinda early to make judgment calls on how she is going to work.

In less than 7 sessions she has,
Called a character "the healer/cleric" IC (metagame)
Cold asked a guest what his backstory was in the middle of a dungeon (metagame)
Randomly attacked guards because they were arresting a suspect (That Girl)
Almost killed a character (Nott) (That Girl)
Accused the guards of being the murderers during the first quest, tries to push for the narrative until it is revealed she had zero evidence or even reason to believe the guards did it (That Girl)
Zero understanding of her class abilities (That Girl)
Behaves like her attributes are higher than they actually are, ie acting strong when she's got 10 Strength (That Girl)
Created an expy of a sequel character to the series she based her first character on, Korra = Beau / Aang = Keyleth (That Girl)

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

At that point just throw them all in the pastebin so that they don't clog up the OP. I don't think anyone would have a problem with that.

Playboyize
Playboyize

I wanted Raishan to kill Keyleth so badly.

TreeEater
TreeEater

As proof, look up feats in PF.
Yeah, because even one spell sorcs can take is on this fucking level. d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/equipment-trick-combat/

Emberburn
Emberburn

A very small minority of 5e players and a smaller number of anons actually watch that shit.

Citation needed.

Also, I don't know every rule, or how to minmax a build, nor do I care. Maybe I'm just a casualfag, but hey, I don't bitch about you guys arguing minutae in here, you find it entertaining. You do your thing. Just stop assuming your fun is the only fun, and I'm sure we'll get along fine.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

What would you want to see as the main ability for a published Artificer? Was Infuse Magic from the UA Artificer what you hoped it would be, or is there something more you wanted to be able to do with the ability?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Shaman class filling the role of a WIS half-caster
I think you're dumb. A shaman class should fill the role of a shaman. There's already a Wis half-caster.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Citation needed
The fact that CR threads die out before reaching bump limit and the fact you have to shit up this thread with your e-celeb fake dnd.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Why are y'all even posting in Paizo's thread instead of reporting it?

MPmaster
MPmaster

See this is how we know you don't watch the show.
There were no checks, just the party trying to make a deal and Keyleth being ANGERY trying to fuck it up because she didn't like who they were negotiating with. It wasn't intimidation at all it was her flat out refusing to cooperate when the party wanted her to.

She was meant to be almost inhumannly wise at this point and yet she still didn't know better than to assume the dragon would fuck them over, or that she probably shouldn't try to literally backstab it when the party had just defeated the BBEG

viagrandad
viagrandad

Yeah, I'd be cool with that as a suggestion, we should do that. "Links to streams" or something. Good idea user!

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Ability to cast multiple spells at once by infusing teo objects with spells and using a feature that lets them use magical items as a bonus action.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Rules and builds are the game mechanics. This thread is about the game and the mechanics of the game. This thread is not about e-celebs. iirc CR even has its own thread after every episode. veekyforums.com/thread/58125199/games

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Last thread hit 300 posts in less than 24 hours then got deleted by mods.
The generals when CR is live hit like 8000 posts in a night

TreeEater
TreeEater

God, whenever Marisha tries to be intimidating with her "I will FUCKING kill you!" shit, it just makes me cringe.

Emberburn
Emberburn

I don't know, we're half way to the bump limit with this one. Also

fake dnd
This is just sad.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Threads are about the game, not your e-celebs.

SniperGod
SniperGod

*800

StonedTime
StonedTime

Seconding the warlock suggestion. You really don't want to
Create weapon
Cast Mage Armor
Cast Disguise Self
Cast Temp HP
Cast Fire Shield
Cast Minor Illusion for theme music
Cast Silent Image for flashy backgrounds
While you're actually in combat. You do that before things get dangerous, preferably with stock footage.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

screech
irony

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

implying a thread that gets deleted after 1 night is enough to contain all CR discussion

whereismyname
whereismyname

Aside from house rules like "necrotic damage heals undead" and the Negative Energy Flood spell, are there any other options for healing undead under your control?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Does anyone else find full caster bards odd?

I think something similar in concept (but not identical) to a warlock setup might have been interesting.
Rather than a patron, you'd pick a college, invocations would be something akin to routines and a pact boon would like an affinity toward an artistic discipline.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Elves, known for their great wisdom are also extremely arrogant and stubborn. Welcome to D&D

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

deleted after 1 night
1200 posts
If you think there's more to be said then go make your own thread. Stop posting here unless you're posting something about the game or the mechanics of the game instead of how some youtuber plays it.

Playboyize
Playboyize

This thread is about the game and the mechanics of the game

Do you not understand what "general" implies?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

she was just RPing! xD
Marisha doesn't RP she plays herself then occasionally looks at her sheet and plays a random character trait for 5mins

StonedTime
StonedTime

instead of how some youtuber plays it.
How is that any different to discussing how some user plays it?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

How would that not violate the one levelled spell per turn rule?

Lunatick
Lunatick

One isn't in the OP of the thread.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Hello. What's a good class for my first campaign?
The setting has early firearms and I'd like to use those, I'd also like to be inventive and good with technology, clockpunk kinda thing.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

There are 20 threads a day on the board about crits on skill checks, you don't need to talk about those here either. Also

Soft_member
Soft_member

Who gives a shit what's in the OP no one reads it anyway

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Hey fellas, Im wrapping up a 2 year long 5e campaign soon I'm DMing, players will most likely be 10th level by the last session. I've got another campaign back home that is going on 3+ years, but I've never officially ended a campaign. Anyone got tips and/or stories for ending a campaign on a high note?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Oh I knew that was the case the second I found out it was a woman we were discussing, but accidentally RPing is still RPing. I have no doubt she's terrible at it but I find the game more fun when a person channels themselves more than being true to a character.

I enjoy several Brad Pitt movies but the guy can't play a character who isn't Brad Pitt save his life.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Because it would allow you to bypass it?

Emberburn
Emberburn

kill everyone
or
it was all a dream

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Undead are able to take rests. Spellwise, Aura of Vitality also works on them. Maybe the Healer feat too. I haven't looked at that lately.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

fag puts CR in the OP
people search the catalog for threads about CR so they can talk about CR
suddenly people are talking about CR in the thread with no relation to the game itself or the mechanics of the game
Yes, I'm sure there's no relation.

TechHater
TechHater

Gunsmith artificer seems like the most obvious thing to me but maybe a rogue or a ranger would work as well?

FastChef
FastChef

It's a nat 20 simulator thread
people defending scripted autism fuel as opposed to calling it out.
I thought the general reached its worse with Paizo fag but here we are.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Gunslinger

whereismyname
whereismyname

Maybe even an arcane archer for a fighter.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

2 years
Just hitting level 10

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Aren't there a dozen 40k threads you could complain about first. Seriously

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

OH look the "my game is boring hours of silence so obviously it's scripted" guy again.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Ah, but arcane archer specifically only works with shortbows and longbows for some godforsaken reason

idontknow
idontknow

Matt Mercer's homebrewed Fighter Archetype, The Gunslinger, as featured in the twitched streamed 5e game C R I T I C A L R O L E

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Like you wanted that one class to explicitly be able to cast two full spells? Because most magic items say something along the lines of "You can use your action to cast spell x from this item"

Emberburn
Emberburn

Playing the wrong format son

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Oh noes. You mean Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey that has defined narratives FOREVER isn't deep enough for you?

RumChicken
RumChicken

Yeah, could do it by allowing a double infusion on one item.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

It is impressive to track the project of a total newbie in Tycho to some one obsessed with the game.

MPmaster
MPmaster

for some godforsaken reason
Flavor. The reason is for flavor. If the setting has guns, then maybe the DM will flavor them with guns. If the AA is a gnome or something, maybe the DM flavors it with crossbows anyway. Curving Shot makes Crossbow Expert less valuable though.

farquit
farquit

6 months
just hitting level 3

TreeEater
TreeEater

Yeah, promising not to level them at a snails pace next time yeesh.

eGremlin
eGremlin

veekyforums.com/thread/58166696/games
veekyforums.com/thread/58166696/games
According to Crawford, the mount's action is a separate from the rider's so, yes, you do get a free dash or disengage every turn. If the mount takes the dodge action, it doesn't affect the rider, however.

On the other hand, he also says that the mount and rider take separate turns (albeit on the same initiative number). This means that you can't break up your movement between attacks, though, which would really suck for someone playing a Cavalier Fighter. On the plus side, between having to keep track of one more initiative and the fact that this is clearly reducing mobility where the mounted combat section says that the intent of the rules is to do the opposite, most GMs probably won't enforce this ruling.

As for whether your mount can attack on it's turn, the rules basically say no, but leave an allowance for an independent mount to do so. An independent is supposed to roll a separate intitiative, but the example in the rules also depict an uncooperative creature, that's completely independent of the rider. If you had a cooperative, intelligent mount like the one from the paladin's Find Steed spell, maybe then you could direct the mount to attack and still control it otherwise. (Crawford says that the paladin's mount counts as "controlled" according to the spell and therefore can't attack while you ride it. Make of that what you will.)

Basically, the mounted combat rules are underdeveloped and probably under-tested. You and your GM should go with what makes sense to you guys instead.

Nojokur
Nojokur

its both idiot, its always been both.

likme
likme

Reminder there's a thread up for actual 5e duscussion.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Reminder to report anyone who adds new shit to the OP.

Evilember
Evilember

spending 4+ months without basic features for your class

Good lord man, talk to your DM

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

At what point do you start your own topics of discussion to divert the conversation from CritRole?

Or at what point do you accept that CritRole is relevant to 5e discussion?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Reminder that you're still being a salty bitch

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Building my first 5e character.

Why is this game's weapon modifier system so weird? STR to hit for longswords instead of DEX? What is this weird madness?

5mileys
5mileys

Because heavy things take strength to swing properly

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

I literally have no idea what you're trying to convey, all I'm saying is they will play the same characters for the entire campaign and the closest they'll get to growth is referencing something bad that happened to them
They don;t change or learn, they just become brooding and edgy

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

To simplify the character creation process. It's less simulationist, but gaming in general has been moving in that direction for a while.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

It's a D&Dism. Been that way for many editions.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Same reason longbows don't use strength. 5e is supposed to be simple and easy to run

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

longsword
heavy
3 lbs
same weight as finesse scimitar
same weight as finesse whip
Are you, perhaps, retarded?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Huh. Last edition I played your main attack modifier was decided by your class. Seems to make significantly more sense, since this way basically means that certain classes will almost never be able to wield appropriate weapons effectively without rolling godly stats.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

rolling
4th ed
Is this double bait?

Inmate
Inmate

Okay so play a Battle Master with guns (Get proficiency in tinkerers tools), or an arcane archer that can use guns instead of bows if your interested in a magic gun kinda deal. There is also a homebrew called the Gunslinger which is a fighter archetype made by Matthew Mercer if you don't like those options.

Skullbone
Skullbone

I am discussing things that are relevant to 5E. I'm not (just) giving shitposters (you)s. This only works if everyone does the same.

There's less of that this edition. Mostly, a wizard won't use a longsword effectively. Do note that technically, a wizard does more damage on average with a maul than a staff when they're not very strong (at least until their proficiency with the staff gets much better.)
It feels that way, yeah.

WebTool
WebTool

I don't really play D&D often. I don't really like rolling either, and we're not doing it for the campaign I'm getting into. I meant that you'd have to be rolling and generate significantly above average numbers.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I don't remember it ever being DEX for Longswords.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

I never got a full answer last thread... What's the meme opinion about Trickster Domain?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

No you don't. With standard array and a +1 racial mod for whatever weapon you want to be using you get a +3 which is 100% adequate. Even a +2 is okay for starting out. You just need to adjust your expectations for 5e bounded accuracy.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

are you not an educated man? I suggest if you expect to have your plebian opinions taken with any sort of value that you familiarize yourself with the basic tenant's of the Hero's Journey. seriously this is storytelling 101

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Implying Percy, Vex, Vax, Scanlan, and Tary weren't all different characters at the end than they were at the beginning

Emberburn
Emberburn

It's confused on what it wants to do given it has divine strike but no extra armor and weapon proficiency, blessing of the trickster doesn't really do much, invoke duplicity is a pretty terrible use of your concentration, and cloak of shadows is mediocre invisibility. That said, the spell list is pretty solid

FastChef
FastChef

Why would a Longsword go off of DEX?

whereismyname
whereismyname

Have you used them?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I was hoping for the meme opinion that made it "the best" domain

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Is this fine or will the negative int and wis really bite me in the ass as a sorcerer?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Hand-eye coordination. Plenty of non-D&D systems use Dexterity for aiming.

Snarelure
Snarelure

It can use a light crossbow well, if you're into that high dex stuff, and the spell list is great. Invoke Duplicity is pretty weird though. Blessing of the Trickster lets you Help the scout when you couldn't help the scout, or just quiet the damn clanking bastard called the tank. It's the cleric rogues pray for.

WebTool
WebTool

Mace
d6
4 lbs

Trident
d6
4 lbs

Warhammer
d8/d10
2 lbs

JunkTop
JunkTop

I was thinking of that, and thought Divine Sorcerer would help too, as I can get stuff like Aid, and apply Extended Spell metamagic to make buffs last longer.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Why are you asking that here? This is the Critical Role general, go ask the 5e thread.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Why do you need the 17 in CHA? You don't normally need your CON at 16, 14 usually works okay, but if you really need those extra hit points keep it. You should drop your CHA to 16 and bump WIS or INT depending on your character.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Rolled 13 (1d20)

Chances Marisha will ever learn lol

Firespawn
Firespawn

Like I've mentioned, it's a sorcerer. Support focused one, probably draconic bloodline

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Depends on how you play them...if you play someone that has magic cuz they do but are a dumbass otherwise..then no. but If you are playing someone that studied to become powerful then you will fail roles based on stats that don't match your background. Are you min/maxing for combat or making a role playing character?

viagrandad
viagrandad

16 vs 17 is nothing. Take those points upgrading to 17 and make your Wis or Int 10.

5mileys
5mileys

Quite often. She joined the game as an exchange for me going to all of her rehearsals.

Inmate
Inmate

You'll probably notice the lack of Wis then Str, then Int last, though it depends on your party and adventures to a degree. And you should lack in some of those. I just personally don't go for 15/15/15/8/8/8 arrays. Standard array is fine, so this is extra focused.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Monks are not as complicated as Druids, I have faith in her. I'm only worried about her character's personality and actions. Monks can be cool when played well.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Look at your average Knight or even man-at-arms. These guys were heavily muscled. Swinging a sword, or being able to use it dextrously QUICKLY requires strength. A rapier is about the wrist. Hold a longsword out in one hand, see how long you can hold it there. In addition to 80 lbs of armor you are decked out in.

Scimitar being finesse, I would guess is because you can get good cuts in without hacking. Finesse also lets you switch str for dex, but isn't a requirement. You could hack with pure strength and beat the shit out of someone with it.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

What's the DC for being liked on the internet?

TechHater
TechHater

How many more children will she slay? Should we start a pool on this question?

iluvmen
iluvmen

Alright after reading the answers I've changed it a bit to make it a little more balanced and without so many negative stats, should help in roleplaying a slightly wiser and smarter sorcerer too.

Snarelure
Snarelure

In what way is it related? They simply play the same system. That is it.

JunkTop
JunkTop

That's like saying you can't talk about Law and Order in a Crime Show General thread.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Shaman isn't a class in 5e. How is it related to 5e?

See how easy it is to make bullshit arguments?

Illusionz
Illusionz

13s get the most bang for your buck in point buy. Taking 13 in Dex/Con with racial puts you at +2 modifiers in both, which should be ample and lets you help remove those negatives which will probably bite you in the ass depending how far into the game progress.

Here's my recommendation, 13 in INT which opens Wizard for Cross Classing and moderate bonus for some useful skillchecks. You could also drop INT back to 10, STR to 10, and take a 12 in WIS for the save.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

No, it's like saying you can't talk about Law and Order in a gumshoe Veeky Forums thread.

takes2long
takes2long

Mearls has talked about making a UA with it. It's as on-topic as any speculation about future UAs, unlike e-celebs.

massdebater
massdebater

odd numbers
Fucking stop

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

That is unnecessary. Anyone with a half a brain can just Google these things. It's not like 5etools or the trove (things that people will not find on their own).

Methshot
Methshot

Law and Order would fit perfectly into a discussion about crime related RPGs, what the fuck are you smoking?

RavySnake
RavySnake

They play 5e, they talk about 5e, they make material for 5e, they have a book made for 5e. Its 5e related thus works for the thread.

Nothing is stopping you from talking about d&d 5e or any other livestream d&d 5e shows.

Now... let's talk about cool Hexblades!

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Only if you're talking about the situations in the show and not going on and on about how shit a particular actor is.

whereismyname
whereismyname

But user. Think of how satisfying it will be to bump two odd-numbered attributes up to an even number with a single ASI.

Supergrass
Supergrass

How do you know, I learned about several streams based on the general discussion occurring in this thread, streams about 5e, a game I like, that interest me.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Amnian? Amnic?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

no. Also beat me to it, or a feat that gives +1 stat

w8t4u
w8t4u

Yeah, because greentext:
playing 5e
player sorceror sobad
couldnt even fireball

Is so different then talking about a player on a show.

iluvmen
iluvmen

The lack of community on Veeky Forums lately has been disappointing. We've all grown extremely cannibalistic.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Makes a decent domain for Small clerics who want to use a bow/crossbow and couldn't use the Heavy Crossbow or Longbow anyway.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

They're not different, both types of posts are shit. There are that guy threads specifically for complaining about that guys and there are CR threads specifically for gushing over/bitching about CR.

TechHater
TechHater

No, the problem is that all the good people made their own forums, with hookers, and blackjack, and the autists and nofun police all stayed here.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

and there are CR threads specifically for gushing over/bitching about CR

No, those threads get filled with people complaining that it shouldn't be on Veeky Forums and that people in them are having badwrongfun.

Playboyize
Playboyize

anyone else wanna play a campaign where you hunt down standins for horror icons?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

So have them on /tv/. It's a show, after all.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

In what way is it related?
They simply play the same system.
I think you answered your own question, there, user.
I don't watch Critical Role and so I don't discuss it in these threads. But I also don't sperg out whenever I see it mentioned, because I don't feel compelled to complain when people are enthusiastic about something I don't personally enjoy. I feel like CR discussion isn't disrupting the thread, whereas your bitching kind of is.
Mearls has talked about making a UA with it.
Yes, and Mearls has also talked about Critical Role. Thankfully, we're all reasonable adults here, so we're capable of having discussions about the Shaman class and discussions about CR in the same thread. Right, user?

RumChicken
RumChicken

No, it's a tabletop RPG. Youtube about boardgames/tabletop all goes here.

SUSD reviews get posted here in BGG, no one bitches about it at all. Ditto 40k painting vids, or strategy vids, or game reports.

DeathDog
DeathDog

This desu. A lot of older Veeky Forums users are on other chans. You could honestly a lot of older users in general are on other chans.
Veeky Forums has been deteriorating much more rapidly for the past couple years.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

then make a thread instead of parasitizing 5eg.
there were at least three separate threads last thursday.
doing shit like this will not enamor the average fa/tg/uy to them.

massdebater
massdebater

What build seems designed to piss the DM off?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

This desu. A lot of older Veeky Forums users are on other chans.
Agreed.

Remember when someone posted an image of a naked girl chained to a rock, with a dragon incoming? And we changed the entire discussion into what type of rock it was, and whether it was suitable as a sacrifical table?

That's the old Veeky Forums, where rolling with the BS posts could lead to legendary threads.

Nutg just seems to be the same old thing repeated endlessly, and if you show a spark of originality all the autists report you or your thread. Shame really, community used to be the best part of Veeky Forums.

Evilember
Evilember

Okay friends. What's everyone's favorite character from a d&d videogame? I personally love Kaelyn from Mask of The Betrayer.
This is 5eg material and you can't tell me it's not.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Wizard X

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

implying anything other then GO FOR THE EYES BOO

Illusionz
Illusionz

Gnome divination wizard with the lucky feat.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Painting is like 80% of warhammer wargames, user.

And why do you think they left? Because the whole board is just shitposters baiting shitposters and now we're just /d/ crossed with /s4s/.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

When is the last time you traumatized your starting level newbie players with trees?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

I'm gonna have to go for Nordom.

A being of pure law, who lost himself, and became anchored by following an amnesiac immortal. Who was curious about anything and everything.
And who was fully prepared to face off against the Transcendent One, knowing his chances were...

Well, as he puts it "slight."

Methshot
Methshot

If it requires context from non-5e material and you can't provide it in a single sentence then it doesn't belong.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

be a fan of evil dead

oh the fun i can have with this....

WebTool
WebTool

Is that why commoners stay out of the forests?

Not because of the monsters, but because of the fucking trees??

girlDog
girlDog

People like CR because it's more theatrical than other shows.
That being said, the only show I follow is Dragon Friends. But that's not really about D&D, it's just shit comedians having a laugh.

w8t4u
w8t4u

It can one-shot even level 2 adventurers if you're unlucky with HP rolls

Bidwell
Bidwell

Why is the Wild Magic Sorcerer such a cool idea and why is it so shit ingame? Also, are there any decent reworks of it that make it not absolute butt trash?

idontknow
idontknow

I could watch CR, or I could watch Mythica, and honestly, CR has better sets and acting.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Just get your DM to agree to give you the reins on wild surges. Then it's alright and the Bend Luck feature is cool too.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Nerf the speed to 10 and it's simple.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Forgotten Realms. There's your context.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

That's not context, I still have no idea what you're talking about.
This is context, all it needs is to explain what a transcendant one is.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

It relies too much on the random table that people sometimes forget about. Also sorcerers kind of suck in general. They're worse wizards with less choices.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

I made a new thread
veekyforums.com/thread/58175608/games

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

It has a perfect disguise so unless you're wandering around looking for malevolent trees chances are its going to get a surprise round on your group. All the best methods for attacking it involving melee range with slashing weapons, as most fire-based spells at level 1-2 aren't great for damage. I guess you could run away while the Wizard plinks it with Firebolt.

girlDog
girlDog

It's a game based in the forgotten realms. That's all the context that is needed. It's tangentially related to 5e through lore of the flagship setting of 5e.
I don't have to explain shit.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

WotC bans DM for life after he rapes first time players to death with pack of awakened trees

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I never understood a bard being able to polymorph someone through song, seems stupid.

read a book.

seriously, bards are common in a lot of mythology. And song magic is VERY common in a lot of old Euro culture and myth.
Hell, go watch the Disney Little Mermaid if you want to see a mermaid sing themselves a pair of polymorphed legs.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Complains regardless of where the CR discussion is, regardless of whethers it's 5e (which they are actively playing) or Veeky Forums in general, which you then complain about it not even being Veeky Forums somehow,
Doesn't know what FR is
fucking thinks he can tell people what is and what isn't 5e
Fuck, man, that's just actually the most pathetic thing I've seen this week.
You should seriously rethink your life.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

It'll take 1 person down but the rest can kite it to death.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Hell, go watch the Disney Little Mermaid if you want to see a mermaid sing themselves a pair of polymorphed legs.
Did you watch the same little mermaid I did? She traded her voice to a witch so the witch would make her a concoction of some kind to give her legs.
youtube.com/watch?v=Gi58pN8W3hY

Bidwell
Bidwell

I know what FR is, but I have no fucking idea what mask of the betrayer is or who kaelyn is because it ain't 5e.

Inmate
Inmate

And song magic is VERY common in a lot of old Euro culture and myth.

Doesn't seem to fit with the rest of DnD honestly.

Wizard, Sorceror, Cleric, Fighter, and a dude with a Violin.

DeathDog
DeathDog

I mean bards have been part of DnD since the beginning so you are pretty wrong.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

I enjoy that song, but you missed the ACTUAL PART WHERE A SONG IS TAKEN AND USED TO CAST A SPELL!!
youtu.be/4bD7DQT51vs

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Yes, but things evolve as well, the game has moved on from what it used to be. Bard just does not seem to fit with the theme anymore.

Yes it is a personal opinion.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Its a bad opinion. People make magic out of songs and music in all sorts of different stories across many cultures.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

yeah, in euro folklore song magic is about as foundational as fisher king magic

That said, I'm pretty sure the aboriginee from Australia did it first.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Neither does Ranger, or Barbarian, or Sorcerer, or Warlock, or Druid. You could roll those into existing classes easily by making them archetypes.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Lore mastery wizard. All my would be nature/history checks have started becoming survival/insight checks because DM has had enough of me being a know it all.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

since the beginning
But that's not true. Bards aren't in the original brown box. They haven't even been around as long as Monks.

Nah, nigga, that's just the extraction of payment.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Divination Halfling Wizard with the Lucky Feat is well reknown as your standard go to "when the DM is being a faggot but you dont realize leaving is better revenge than fucking with the game" build

idontknow
idontknow

They have still been there for a long ass fucking time.

likme
likme

But that's true. Ranger should be deleted since Outlander background does it better, Barbarian and Monk should be fighter subclasses, Sorc and Warlock should be under wizard, and cleric and druid should be rolled into one. What's the difference between a nature cleric and a druid anyway?

JunkTop
JunkTop

Bard just does not seem to fit with the theme anymore.
Please do tell, what theme are they going for that includes magic martial arts monks, all of Greek/Nordic mythology and borderline steampunk artificers?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

And the second chance feat

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Modern fantasy.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Artificers haven't been included yet. Also, not every class have to be an option in every setting, just like not every race.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Well yes, that's pretty much the correct answer but that genre easily include magic bards, in context, I want to know what theme would include all of that stuff but not bards

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

they were in UA a while back.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Yeah, and those mean fuck all.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

It hint to an interest from WoTC to include them in this edition, is not a garante but is the type of content that ends in a new supplement

Spamalot
Spamalot

kill the Paladin last session
kill Fighter #1 this session
Fighter #2 surrendered. Drow slavers will lead him to some horrible fate in the Underdark
Only the Bard got away (by the skin of his teeth)

Well shit, my campaign has been grim lately. I always feel a little bad about killing off PCs.
Fighter #1 is signing a devil contract to be brought back as a Revenant. What could the price be?

(I want to give Fighter #2 a chance to escape, so any suggestions for what might happen on the road to the Underdark would be fantastic.)

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

2 PKs in 2 sessions
Sounds like you need to ease up.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

New 5eGeneral/Cr discussion

veekyforums.com/thread/58173404/games

King_Martha
King_Martha

Yeah, maybe I should. I might have fucked up the encounter balance and I definitely played my monsters too smart. That's why I offered the Fighter player a shot at revenant resurrection, desu. That's my way to atone

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

The Drow slavers get attacked by some other race down in the underdark?
Dont be a pussy.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

What could the price be?
He has to kill three humanoids every week
I want to give Fighter #2 a chance to escape
See if the Paladin player is ok with his new character being already captured by the slavers, then give them a chance to break free (with the help of an NPC rogue if need be, and if they're in debt to that rogue then there's a plot hook), maybe by having the slaver caravan get attacked by a pack of Quaggoths owned by rival slavers or some Grick Alphas/ a Remorhaz if your party is higher level.

likme
likme

that shit thread is dead...are you really so sad you need to be the OP on all the threads?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

How long has this Critical Role shitposting been going on? As in the guy who keeps shilling it, then falseflags and replies to himself.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Few weeks now on and off, depending on when Paizofag is banned. Just ignore and report when he makes a thread, he doesn't want CR discussion so much as he wants shitposting.

Skullbone
Skullbone

This is bringing up more questions than it's answering.

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