From whatever place the Scion in question relates to them.
I'd definitely put that in a "discuss with player" box. If they want their family to be involved, then sure. If not, we can just make a note that "Following your ascension, your family was placed under nominal divine protection."
They're not by definition also Scions, I'm fairly certain.
I have a hard time understanding why it's okay that in 1e had an alternate history where ancient gods turned out to be real and magic provably exists and things still end up basically the same but 2e can't get a pass on the same thing.
Even though in 1e there's an arbitrary "gods mostly fuck off here and just spend their time jacking it in their version of heaven" point they still showed up for the WW2 and they're arbitrarily back for "now."
Like, in 1e, the Iliad's fucking real true events. It'd be way more impactful if the gods just fucking stopped showing up on the battlefield or Zeus stopped turning into weird shit to fuck people after hundreds of years of doing so.
It just doesn't seem fair to me.
Antithetical genres. All conventions of the "hidden urban fantasy" genre lead the reader to accept the lack of big changes despite big events changing in the background, while all the conventions of the alternate history genre actively encourage them to ponder those.
I concur, user, but I have come to accept that it's simply more difficult for some Anons to handle.
Personally, I've argued that the presence of Magic makes the gods MORE questionable, since from a philosophical standpoint/a point of pure logic, the concern that "maybe I am being deceived/my senses cannot be trusted" is now a much more valid concern.
Maybe all the Gods except mine are simply demons. Maybe MY gods are a type of Demon, and there is another, greater being that has created everything. These theories aren't disprovable by the power of the Gods, and are given more validity by the fact that in most pantheons there exist Gods who are evil or deceptive.
But, I've been in too many other edition wars to not at least understand the feeling of "this is a much worse setting than the one we used to have", so I will grant those who dislike it the validity that they are entitled to feel that way.
well ok if you insist
Try to look at it less from a "logical" perspective, and from more of a narrative perspective... dare I say a more fatebound perspective.
1e is hidden world urban arcana. One of the central conceits, and arguably the narrative purpose of the genre as a whole, is to explore what sort of secret magical things could be going on underneath the world that we do in-fact live in, often so we can briefly turn off our suspension of disbelief and fool ourselves into believing that our world really is more magical than it is. See oWoD, nWoD, Percy Jackson, Animorphs, Harry Potter, Dresden Files, Buffy, Supernatural, American Gods, certain versions of John Constantine depending on who's writing, fucking Twilight etc... In not a single one of them is it internally consistent or logical for the world to be the same as ours on the surface, but it doesn't matter, because it's part of the genre to hand waive just enough that it looks like our world, because the purpose of the genre IS to look like our world.
2e, on the other hand, is Fantasy Alternate History... a completely different genre, and one where in making the world look as much like our own as possible is specifically NOT one of the established tropes: quite the opposite. The genre is explicitly about introducing a novum, and then exploring the imagined butterfly-effect differences. If The Man In The High Castle went out of its way to look as much like our real world as possible, people would NOT have given it the same pass that they gave all of the hidden world urban arcana fiction I mentioned. The same thing is happening with 2e.
Urban Arcana is a genre that looks like our world, because our inner self-deceiving child is meant to ask "maybe it IS our world." Alternate History is a genre that does not look like our world, because it's a fun thought experiment for our logical/imaginative selves to ask "what if our world was different."
But then again *I* am not mad. It runs 1e setting just fine.
>But then again *I* am not mad. It runs 1e setting just fine.
Think of all the nice stuff that could've been included in the books instead of 60 pages of poorly though out setting, though.
When do Demigod and God come out?
The actual books haven't gone out yet. Give them a few years.
So did I miss someone linking the Hero rules or what?