I want to ask overweight people questions. I am an underweight person, I hate it

Unless you're talking about the mega lardos you see on those 60 minute specials, it's a combination of several factors that build up over time. You can easily overeat without even realizing it if you've always done it to some dgree or another.

For me, at my peak I was 360 1.5 years ago and now i'm finally down below 300 as of last month. Here's where I saw what did it for me:

Emotional Eating - Bad day? I won't think nothing of downing two super stars from Carl's Jr or polishing off a whole pizza just as a way to mentally take my mind off my problems. Basically like alcoholics with their booze.

Soda - This user said it first. Soda is ridic caloric. Your average 20oz pepsi is 200+ calories and its' pure sugar, if you're not doing an hour + cardio afterwards, that shit is turning straight into fat. I finally managed to fully wean myself off regular soda and now focus on unsweetened iced tea, soda water, and an occasional diet soda.

Lack of physical activity - I used to play sports in high school/college, but then tapered off a lot when I graduated. Thing is I never stopped my eating when I did sports. I used to be able to eat a 1lb + of pasta and meatballs with OJ and never gain a pound. Then I stopped an kept eating like that, ballooned like crazy.

Portions - This is probably the biggest thing. I never realized how many calories are in the regular things we come across each day and would eat without thinking. Pop tarts? That 2 pack is 500 cals right there. Bag of chips? 300-350 calories there too. Avg fast food burrito is around 800-1000 cals easy. You just keep eating without thinking and before you know it, you can't fit into your clothes anymore.

Easy, make good food. It's as easy as that. It will most likely be rib sticking fatty goodness, that you won't mind taking another serving of.

Also beer and milk.

Also OP, one thing that Europeans don't understand, like I didn't before I came to the USA, there's reasons why people gain weight beyond what they ever imagined they would.

Unless you live in New York city or some paradise like Portland, OR. Your ass ain't going anywhere unless its inside of a car, and that is by design you don't have the choice of just walking to the store unless you want to get killed.

Things are spread too far apart for to be walkable, live in a small town, 2000 pop. distance between average house loccation and grocery store, 3 to 5 miles, no sidewalks, cars drive on the road at near 55mph. You're not walking there.

The carbonation fills you up faster than anything else you dense baby

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For me it's beer, mostly. Considering that on the lighter end of the spectrum you're looking at ~150kcal per 12fl0z and only shitters drink light beers that's a huge head start. I can comfortably put away an 18 pack of 5% ABC, 250kcal beers in a day, and usually the equivalent of 8 every other day. My maintenance is around 2500 daily due to a relatively physical job, so beer usually covers most of that before I ever eat.

abv

That and I comfort eat and drink due to unmedicated depression

For women it's that their maintanance calories at ideal weight can be as low as 1500 kcal. That's basically a pizza, some fries and a soda.

>a pizza
Is this a normal measurement of pizza intake?
When people eat pizza is it normally all of it?

Nah but a few slices can be massive calorie bombs too. Hell I nearly cried when Costco finally started posting calorie counts for their food court. Their supreme pizza slices are nearly 700 calories. Ok so that's a larger slice than normal but still, on average a slice of pizza with anything above cheese will easily exceed 300 calories no problem. 2-3 slices and bam you're basically at 1k cals for the day.

>Is it ingrained at home as a child or can I become like you on my own?
I was skinny as hell as a kid, everything my parents cooked was bland as fuck. When I finally started eating on my own I was hooked, after eating nothing but bland and overcooked food for 18 years it was heaven. Been chubby ever since.

Liquid calories is a big thing, soda, coffee with milk and sugar, and especially booze fatten you up. Honestly the reason I'm so big is portion size. I actually only eat two meals a day, but the portions are massive. Took me a while to eat these kinds of portions, I couldn't eat even half of my lunch when I was a teenager, even if I fasted all day.

>When you're surrounded by landwhales that are 400lbs or more, suddenly you don't feel to bad for your love handles and belly.
Holy shit this. I'm 6'0 and 210 lbs and I feel so skinny considering that I'm the skinniest person I work with, all my friends are fatter than me, and I've never dated a woman that wasn't at least a tiny bit chubbier than me.

former skinny fag here.

Do weightlifting 4x per week and occasional cardio (3x per week, 20 min, 120BPM/HR)

You'll put on weight.

Also, I know people will say the cardio thing is stupid, but it took me a long time to figure it out, that the cardio stimulated my appetite, and reduced my stress level, which increased my appetite. Just take my word for it.

One summer I went from 135 - 160.

Its a mental issue for me, for some reason I enjoy the feeling of being stuffed. In order for me to stay in a decent shape I constantly have to remind myself that I need to stop eating, that I won't starve if I skip a meal, etc.

>never dated a woman that wasn't at least a tiny bit chubbier than me.

damn they're so much fun to aren't they. never been with skinny bitches, sometimes I wonder what that would be like... Can't be that much different, unless she's on top they all just lay there take it. Current gf near 300lbs, ex is below 200lbs, my 300lbs gf is more active in bed than the 200lbs one ever was.

>. Current gf near 300lbs, ex is below 200lbs, my 300lbs gf is more active in bed than the 200lbs one ever was.
My exes are like 160, 180, and 190; the latter two being pretty darn tall girls. I'm not you man, I date thick, not obese. While I was heavier than all of them, I'm a 6'0 male, they're shorter and female so they were chubbier.

>I know people will say the cardio thing is stupid
>Cardio is stupid
In all honesty that's one of the most retarded things I've ever read. Did human physiology somehow change fundamentally and I didn't notice?

idk I'm a thin dude that lost 85 pounds 8 years ago, I've kept it off, and it wasn't from cardio. Never done cardio. Just stopped eating as much and started walking in my spare time.

This. I drink 1 or 2 litres of coke every day however im not really fat. I stopped soda 4 weeks ago and lost 6 pounds without any other diet changes. Altho to be fair my diet isnt exactly shit.

He means in the context of "do cardio to gain weight".

Are you a Japanese whale poacher or something?

This shit here.

It's not eating giant meals that do it. I'm actually losing weight now, about 50'pounds down already, but when I was just being a fat fuck, I ate fairly reasonable meals.

It's the snacks that get you. You can just eat chips or crackers or candies all day and you don't even realize how much of that shit you've gone through because it doesn't fill you up much. I could easily go through a few thousand calories of that shit without even realizing it.

Now that I'm making sure to control my portions, I'm very aware of just how many calories those snacks were adding to my diet.

Fat doesn't make you fat

Nice meme

I find that if I binge eat one day, I'll be monstrously hungry the next few days. I don't know why, maybe something to do with stomach expansion or some shit

Fat has the highest amount of calories per gram, and excessive calories get stored as fat. So, yes, fat does make you fat.

No more than carbs or protein, eaten in excess, will.

Do you not defecate user? Just because you put 2000 calories in your mouth it doesn't mean your body will absorb 2000 calories.

Step 1: Eat calorie dense foods (baked goods, starches, meats) -- 600 calorie meals are practically guaranteed in the average american diet of comfort food with 1 lb. portions (9oz protein, 9oz of sides).

Step 2: Realize you are eating the same amount of food as an underweight person but are clinically obese by BMI

Step 3: Work a job that requires you to sit all day. (Burn less than 1400 calories a day)

Step 4: Realize weight loss diets in prison are set at 1000 calories for reasons beyond punishment -- inactivity dramatically lowers your daily calorie expenditures

It does if your body is doing what it's supposed to. Maybe not if you've got diarrhea.

Fat making you fat =/= Fat making you gain weight

Why not?

I drink a few liters of soda everyday and I'm underweight. I use it at work to replace fluids and give me energy. Probably not the best way to replace fluids, but it works for me.

Being overweight is a collection of bad habits. You just have to eat too fast, too fat, too much and each time you feel just a little bit hungry.

What? user said fat is more calorically dense (true) and that unused calories are stored as fat (true), but claimed that fat makes you fat solely by that property.

All I'm saying is that eating too much of anything will add mass, it's just easier to do with fat, since you only have to eat half as much.

You could eat only fatty foods and still not gain weight if you burn more calories than you take in. Thats the basics. Ofc nutrition-wise its bad for your well-being and you only need to eat smaller amounts of these fatty foods to reach the same amount of calories you would would get from only eating chicken

I'd personally count converting food into usable energy and then expending it as absorption. It just doesn't hang around as long.

Well when you take in thr same amount of calories as you need then the food gets converted into energy directly,if you have too little intake, the body substitutes by burning fat and vice versa.

Extra "hidden" calories, such as from beer or soda

It's not the big meals that did it to me. It never was. I eat reasonably sized meals no more than twice a day, no heaping plates of food, no going for seconds, etc.

It was always about the snacking combined with a sedentary lifestyle.

I would routinely eat and drink any combination of a couple cans of soda, a bag of chips, a piece of snack cheese, a pack of snack cakes and an ice cream bar through the day, and suddenly I was over 2000-2500 calories.

Now extend that to years of the same while being tied to a chair in front of a screen whether at work or home and it's no wonder I got fat.

My body doesn't produce leptin properly so I never get the feeling of being full until way too late. As a result I have to take note of what i eat with every meal

A lot of it does have to do with genetics, OP. Some people just cannot lose weight no matter how much they diet and exercise, and even if they do, it just comes back as soon as they stop.

>I am an underweight person, I hate it.
Try buying and taking some digestive aids.

Im pretty sure that what usually causes skinny people is an inefficiant digestive system. Taking extra enzymes and acids might help you break down the food quicker, before it leaves your stomach and enters the bowel.

I for one have an over-efficiant digestive system and would love to be able to eat things like pizza without getting fatter. I also notice the speed of which my stomach is able to metabolise things like caffine and sugar in, for example, a sugary coffee. It takes literally seconds to reach my brain.

>How do you not get tired/bored of eating?
Eat while doing other things. You dont think we savour every single bite do you? We eat passivly, which is usually a bad habit.

Walking is light cardio m8

>Emotional Eating - Bad day? I won't think nothing of downing two super stars from Carl's Jr or polishing off a whole pizza just as a way to mentally take my mind off my problems.

This makes me grateful I grew up poor.

Growing up, I only got fast-food once a month after having saved up for a while.

I can recognize what you're saying though, and I do that too now, but now I'm 'too set' in my ways that I don't think I can do it on the regular.

To me, overeating is, first and most of all, a waste of money.

But then again, I'm crazy frugal/cheap.

a lot of overweight people eat very quickly so they don't feel full until they have already eaten too much

>I am an underweight person
Height and weight?

Just shut up, fatty.

Get cancer, that's what I did and I already lost 50+ pounds.

I could be considered mildly overweight (6'2" about 190, not a ton of muscle, but a bit) and Idk, I don't gorge myself, I just eat what makes me feel full, which is usually about 2500 calories. I eat a lot of carbs like bread, rice and pasta and I do like my sweets, but that's never more than like 40 grams of sugar a day. I guess I just love eating.

just fucking eat tons of shit, not just meals but also lots of snacks and chips and whatnot, sit on your ass all day, drink soda, eat quickly and not slowly

Honestly, liquid calories are the key. Drink soda,juice, beer, or whole milk with every meal, and between them.
Easiest and fastest way to add 500-1000 calories to your day without even realizing it.

I'd probably be thin if I wasn't such a lush.

I envy you, OP. Don't forget just how lucky you are.

I want to know how do you actually do it to eat more food than you consume energy in a day?
>b sedentary

How long does eating take you and how do you manage it in your day, when do you find time, what do you sacrifice doing for going to eat?
>it doesn't take long...maybe 5 to 10 minutes. I eat when I feel like it. Money.

How do you not get tired/bored of eating?
>because food is gud. I think it's like a small pick me up that makes me kind of psudo happy while I do it. It's a small escape. Similar to sex/masturbation. Even on a bad day those things still manage to pull me temporarily out of crippling depression and takes my mind off of things.

Is it ingrained at home as a child or can I become like you on my own?
>it probably has something to do with the way I grew up here in the deep south. Shit food is encouraged. Coke-a-cola and fried foods...sweet tea...anything that can possibly clog your veins is good 4 u senpai.

What do you find hard/difficult to do about eating?
>paying for it. preparing it. sometimes meat fucks with my head and I have to stop eating though I could probably never go full vegy.

>if I wasn't such a lush
I don't know what this means

Fat person here. Eat a lot. I didn't have breakfast or lunch, but I had 2 sandwiches and will probably have 3-4 slices of pizza for dinner. That and I don't exercise.

lush = drunk. He'd be thinner if he didn't drink as much booze.

Simple carbs.
IE All pasta, breads, sugars and sugary drinks.

>120BPM/HR

>2 beats per minute^2

>I for one have an over-efficiant digestive system
kek

>shit diet
>don't do shit but sit around all day
>6"2
>maintained a weight of like 220 my whole adult life

I'm chubby, but I was graced with amazing metabolism. Shit could be a lot worse for me. Some people just can't eat more than they can burn it off. But trust me man, twigs>pigs. You're not missin out

I have been slowly shrinking and yesterday was one of my addiction binge attacks

>4 oatmeal creme pies
>2 swiss rolls
>2 fudge brownies
>1/2 cup plain greek yoghurt with salt and pepper
>2 cups chocolate milk
>1 cup regular milk
>6 ounces cream cheese
>3 blueberry bagels

Today I have had
>1 oatmeal creme pie
>2 swiss rolls
>1 fudge brownie
>2 cups milk
>1 grilled cheese

And I am not done eating.
FWIW I am ALWAYS hungry and addicted to sugar. If I don't regularly eat sugary shit I get to the point where I cannot sleep, I feel shitty, etc. Since I am trying to lose weight about once a week I end up getting a few boxes of little debbies and eat until I am in physical pain. Shit sucks, don't be like me.

Right now I feel 'normal' as in I am hungry still but not ravenous for junk. I will likely finish off my yoghurt container and a package of ramen tonight.

Oh yeah OP, I only drink soda on the weekends but if you wanna get fat, drink soda every day.

OP you have to understand that while you have little to no appetite, there are people that have the opposite i.e. hungry all the time.

You might have no desire to eat and therefore don't prioritise eating, but there are people that have food on their mind all 24/7 and make sure they eat what they want when they want.

How much of this is nature over nurture is hard to say.
But if you look at your friends you went to school with, I bet 90% of them are the same size/shape they were 10 years ago.

I believe appetite is a nature type thing.
People do what comes naturally.

>implying I'm fat

It's science, user. The amount of people who have lost weight and kept it off for any large length of time is pretty much zero. Once you're fat, your body just thinks that's how it's supposed to be. If you lose weight, then, your body will do literally everything in its power to get fat again.

I hardly eat, yet I'm still 220.
When I did work out, I would get horrible, debilitating hunger pangs.
So I forced myself to eat.
Even though I was doing cardio and lifting weights, I didn't lose any weight. I gained muscle but maintained my fat. At most I would lose a couple of pounds.

It's like my body is designed to not lose weight. I gain it super fucking easily but it clings to it like a mother to her dying firstborn. I can't fucking stand it.

it's not like I want to be fat, and it's certainly not for lack of trying
I just can't lose the fucking weight

here

See, this is what I mean. It's almost like people are different and a one-size-fits-all 'hurr it's just calories' doesn't apply to everyone, imagine.

I know some overweight people who eat nothing out of the ordinary and should be losing weight but just don't. I also know some people skinny as birds who eat entire tubs of frosting three times a week and they still look like sticks.

Genetics has a LOT to do with how easily you gain and lose weight and to pretend otherwise is retarded.

Make yourself hambugers and oatmeal erryday, stacks on weights without murdering your arteries.

Don't forget to squat

eat dense food, eat fast, eat regularly and make an effort to make sure you don't move more than you have too.

I eat pretty much whatever I want but I don't overeat. Trying to cut back on soda because it's the worst thing you can drink though. I live a very sedentary lifestyle so mostly it's just I don't exercise the calories I take in.

okay, so could you post a food log of the things you ate on one day when you tried to lose weight with details about calories and protein?

whey protein + whole milk + peanut butter + oil

you can drink 1500+ calories in 5 minutes

have fun bulkin bro

No, because I don't need to lose weight, so why would I do that?

could you then post a food log of the things the people you know who try to lose weight ate on one day with details about calories and protein?

by doing this are you trying to proove that genetics have nothing to do win weight gain/loss by any chance ?

I get that it would be interesting to know the answer to that but in fact it doesn't really matter it doesn't change one thing for you to achieve your weight objective.
You'll still have to fight for it regardless if that fight is against your genes or against your environment or whatever else that isn't working right.

the thing is, when you say something along with

>eat nothing out of the ordinary

then you make assumptions. for example, that these people actually know how much they eat on a single day. or that they don´t eat more or less than people who keep the same weight. every time someone mentions anything like "i don´t eat more than anybody else" i just know that they have no idea about what they actually eat. give me the numbers and we can talk

Oh, I see, you're just being a pedantic faggot

i'm not the same guy you asked the questions to btw

I understand what your point is and I agree with it. I just think it isn't a crucial information for the success of your weight gain/loss journey.

>it isn't a crucial information for the success of your weight gain/loss journey
your daily calorie intake is not crucial? mate...

Knowing the number you have to reach isn't actually helping you reaching it one bit. It's just a number that you are now aware of.
You know better, okay, nice, good, excellent. But you have made exactly zero fucking step or work done to achieve the goal itself. You just know a fucking number. What people actually need to know is HOW to do it. Because it isn't simple as it seems. Specially when you have a personal issue with all that.

even knowing what to do doesn't help when it simply comes down to your addiction vs your willpower

meth addicts know that they should stop using meth, yet they still do it. why? the compulsion is stronger than their willpower

>Knowing the number you have to reach isn't actually helping you reaching it one bit
knowing how many calories it will take you to lose/gain weight is literally the first step. the one thing you need to know if you´re wanting to plan your meals and change your weight. are you telling me that making the first step will bring you nowhere? have you ever actually achieved one goal in your live?

i have a fat friend who seems to just go into a trance when he eats.

all attention is focused on his meal as he calculates the best possibly way to get the most enjoyment out of this meal. he does not stop his ceaseless, loud, lip smacking rampage as he chews at a pace so fast its disgusting. he'll scrape up every last drop and lick the plate clean then his fingers like im not even there. he gets so into it he fails to notice the buffet of drippings that decorate his mantits that poke through his overly-oversized shirt. as if a shirt bigger than your actual size could hide it

he's obese and chugs energy drinks and when i tell him he shouldnt do that he thinks hes real funny and buys another energy drink like he's some kind of fuckjin comedian

That sounds absolutely disgusting.

addictions and bad habits can be cured. There are solutions to them That's what should be discussed in order to fix the problem.

Rather than knowing a number that doesn't effectively help you. If you could reach the number you established without any difficulty, then the problem would be solved in a day and you'll just get your number of calories and be set for life. The problem is not the number of calories to be aware of the problem is actually doing it.

what is this addiction faggot doing here all of a sudden? the thread was about ways to gain or lose weight. take your mental shit on /adv/ or whatever

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084

RESULTS:
Total energy expenditure and resting metabolic rate in the subjects with diet resistance (group 1) were within 5 percent of the predicted values for body composition, and there was no significant difference between groups 1 and 2 in the thermic effects of food and exercise. Low energy expenditure was thus excluded as a mechanism of self-reported diet resistance. In contrast, the subjects in group 1 underreported their actual food intake by an average (+/- SD) of 47 +/- 16 percent and overreported their physical activity by 51 +/- 75 percent. Although the subjects in group 1 had no distinct psychopathologic characteristics, they perceived a genetic cause for their obesity, used thyroid medication at a high frequency, and described their eating behavior as relatively normal (all P < 0.05 as compared with group 2).

CONCLUSIONS:
The failure of some obese subjects to lose weight while eating a diet they report as low in calories is due to an energy intake substantially higher than reported and an overestimation of physical activity, not to an abnormality in thermogenesis.

tl;dr
Fat people overreport activity and underreport food intake.

I fucking hate fat people.

kill urself my dude

dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2566668/Man-piled-pounds-thanks-balanced-diet-actually-loaded-calories.html
>when fat people tell you they eat healthy