Any philosophy majors here?

The age of masochist philosophy. Everybody just wants to hear those magic words. "I dont get it".

>Talking about being pre med while in high school

Dont be this guy

Ive known i wanted to do that since sophomore year

whats wrong with having a plan ahead of time?

I'm (hopefully) about to graduate as a philosophy major and I've been really struggling at the upper level courses. If you absolutely love reading tons of philosophy, or you have no other possible interests then it's the right choice for you.

For me, I would go back in major in history so I wouldn't have had to suffer this much. But that's my experience, I'm a little regretful and am currently struggling to come up with a paper thesis for a French feminist thinker. Your mileage may very.

Also different philosophy departments teach different philosophers. Mine is focused on continental but yours might be differently mixed.

Basically bc talking about it without ever experiencing the actual nature of the work, sort of lends itself to an air of arrogance

also what uni senpai

>paper thesis for a French feminist thinker
You're not studying philosophy. You've been conned.

Nothing, medicine is the most noble profession imo. You just sound like a college confidential douchebag. Dont talk like you know about shit when you havent even sniffed the asshole of an orgo chem class, it's off putting and not cute.

Rutgers

Not the most prestigious school, but its cheap and, like I said, they have a world class philosophy program.

not even that guy, but thats a pretty shit and uninformed assumption. i doubt hes one of those "i really want to help people(:" faggots

No no dude, that was my point, the problem is the ambiguity of whether or not he is one of those cancerous scum, even if he probably isn't doesnt matter bc ppl jump to conclusions.

>My school isn't an Ivy but has one of the top 3 philosophy programs in the country

Which country?

America

Don't listen to this guy.

Here's the dig on philosophy: Unless you are going to become a professional philosopher (who are the opposite of philosophers and usually miserable excuses of human beings created by the dicksucking and academic mental masturbation which is required for obtaining a professorship in most phil departments) philosophy is a degree which begs yet more education.

I did a triple major in Polsci/philosophy/econ in undergrad with a minor in Spanish and I'm taking it into an MPA. Most people took their PPE education into Law or sometimes medicine. From my experience at WWU:

Professors: Polsci > Econ > Philosophy
Students/peers: Phil > Econ > Polsci
General enjoyment of courses: Phil > Polsci > Econ
Intellectual rigor of course material: Phil > Econ > Polsci
Usefulness of courses in my career: Polsci > Econ > Phil
Usefulness of courses in me getting laid: Philosophy > Polsci > Econ

>Usefulness of courses in me getting laid:

Really?

how to get laid with philosophy chicks?

If this is not a serious consideration when selecting a major you're doing it wrong kid.

Maybe it's because the culture of my country is different from yours but I can't quite figure out how formal logic, dialectics or phenomenology will help me get laid.

Don't go after philosophy women, they're fucking stupid-smart. They're dumb in that they generally lack meaningful insights but smart in that they are much more studious than men when it comes to having a vigorously highlighted version of the text available at all times. They are amazing at forcing a free spirit back into his box. There were 3 different girls who I swear to god, decided their duty in life was to nitpick literally everything I said in class. I've learned that one thing is certainly true in the battle of the sexes: women are more detail oriented and men are more big picture.

Most of the girls I fucked were in language/elective classes, Journalism and Education majors are square peg in round hole stupid so if you're just going for numbers they're your targets. Most of the intelligent women in colleges can be found in high level econ and history courses at least from my experience.

I ended up marrying a girl I met in an intro-level political science class. She's all I want in a woman, cutting, cruel and sensuous as well. Everything my mother was, and everything she wasn't all in one.

Why do you want to go into debticine?

Freshman student here

>is it hard?
Decently, much harder than my Biology major. I have a minimum of 5-6 pages of short esays a week between my three classes, with term papers throughout.

>is it fun?
Extremely. My Ancient Philosophy class is basically Plato and Aristotle comedy hour. The four PHI classes Ive taken so far have been very rewarding, I learn so much in each compared to any others. Either Logic or Ancient have been my favorites.

>Interesting
Absolutely. Like I said, these are my most stimulating classes. Everything I learn in other classes I can always relate to what I learn in philosophy.

>Should I major in it?
I definitely recommend it. My primary goal in college is to learn, and im happy with how much progress I've been making already. Dont worry about naysayers - philosophy can lead to a lot of jobs or into medical or law school. It might be good to double major with it as well.

Rutgers is a Top-3 philosophy program globally, so you are right about that. I know a lot of people doing/have done PHDs there, and also a few undergrads. The faculty is excellent - do some research before selecting classes, though.

>much harder than my Biology major
youre a double major then?

Bio & Philosophy is what I wanna do too

Do you think its an overwhelming amount of work?

>stimulating

Why does OP want to go into medicine? If you like wasting your life, I guess it's the perfect profession.

>do some research before selecting classes, though.
Ive been trying too but its sort of hard to find info on it online

Ill try to talk to alumni though.

Do you have any idea where I can research which professors are better and which classes are worth taking?

You sound like a well-rounded individual in his late 30s, what are you doing here? It's almost uncanny.

>wasting my life
lol..
if you consider working 4 days a week doing something I love and making a disgusting amount of money, leaving me to do anything and everything I want in my abundant free time to be a waste of my life, then thats on you.

If you do philosophy, you'll end up like this nerd.

>not making huge bucks working as an ER doc in a non-profit hospital doing 36 hours a week shift work and taking advantage of every IBR program, while still saving lives and getting to fuck with psychs and addicts.

Its like you dont like frontloading your schedule and spending all the money you dont save in a ski chalet reading books by a fire

>not knowing what hes getting into

Do you know any premed or med students or real doctors?

>>not knowing what hes getting into
My family and family-friends are all types of doctors. I know some med students as well.

The fact of the matter is, most specialties are chill. Yes, anesthesiologists and many other doctors can get calls in the middle of the night and hold a patients life in their hands everyday, but not every doctor's job is like that. And don't get me started on Dentistry, which is an option for me at this point as well.

Of course med school and premed is brutal. Thats not what Im getting at though.

Sounds like the most loaded and false representation of what a doctor does and how many hours he works that I've ever read.

BTFO. Suicide watch confirmed. Hope you don't end up in the psych ward. LoL

>med school and premed is brutal

Residency is brutal, med school is a joke except for USMLE studying and premed is just college.

>Sounds like the most loaded and false representation of what a doctor does and how many hours he works that I've ever read.

edphysician.com/AlabamaFJ.html

Literally clicked on the first job on this recruiting site, and the hours are exactly what i said. You have no idea what you are talking about. Plus alabama is paying ~250 an hour right now. Thats 415 a year before taxes

Fair enough, its easier said than done though. My family also has a few doctors, none of them have chill lives though. Maybe biased idk

Plus a couple docs I know are "burnt out" so they cut down to 9 12 hour shifts a month @215 an hour.

>250 an hour right now. Thats 415 a year
What the fuck..
This is for a physician? I had no idea they made nearly this much.

If I want to keep living in the northeast, can I expect to make this much here too?

>edphysician.com/AlabamaFJ.html
Congratulations, you just showed us that you know how to cherrypick!

...it can be. Im doing 20 credits next semester. Balancing Chem with Philosophy can be brutal. Id really recommend it (especially if youre into bioethics or my dream field environmental ethics), but yeah preapre for some shit. Im going to have to take summer classes for sure.

>My family also has a few doctors, none of them have chill lives though.
Well yeah, It completely depends on what you do. Nobody is arguing that ER docs or Neurosurgeons or a litany of other specialties for that matter have relaxed lifestyles. Some people are willing to give up that work life balance to practice something theyre passionate about though, and thats admirable.

>Congratulations, you just showed us that you know how to cherrypick!
edphysician.com/state-process.asp?State=New Hampshire

k bro, theres all the jobs. they are all 12 12 hour shifts a month

heres the medscape physician compensation report
medscape.com/features/slideshow/compensation/2016/public/overview

and remember the lower numbers are skewed by LA and NYC and shit because you get payed way more to work in the boonies

linguistics major here with a minor in literature

what kinda jobs can i get?

If you are a surgeon, derm, or ed.

If you are a family practitioner or peds you are making under 200k

ER docs is a lifestyle job, you dont have call

>myanmanese idol flat
>bullying
Hey now

Any idea what areas of philosophy you want to focus on? I can go through each faculty member one by one if you want.

>ER docs is a lifestyle job, you dont have call
Learn something new everyday

Unfortunately Im pretty ignorant to philosophy. Always been a big reader since I was kid, English lit mostly, but hardly any background in philosophy.

From what I've heard about Wittgenstein from DFW, philosophy of language seems pretty interesting.

Anyway, hopefully once I take the into course next year Ill have a better idea. Any way i can contact you then?

...

If it's not too late, you should change majors.

i'm considering going to law school after this or double minoring in computer science too. I hear a lot of linguistics people also work in compsci fields

no you

mid twenties, actually. I mostly enjoy shitposting about dead German guys. Wife's not big into philosophy and I'm in an MPA which is mostly sociology/anthropology/polsci people, very few people who went deeper than phil 101 so I have very few people to talk about it with.

I've tried to get her to read shit and told her she'd look really smart to her students if she could namedrop some dead Greeks and Germans and she said she didn't give a fuck what any of the undergraduate cretins she was forced to endure thought of anything, much less her. That's why I love her. She did enjoy a collection of Schoppy essays I had until she started getting into what he thought about women. I told her Nietzsche was female-friendly philosophy when she got butthurt over that, still no response on that though she said she was going to read some.

Here are some people I'm familiar with and recommend:

Jerry Fodor - one of the top 3 philosophers of mind; HUGE in cognitive science
Alvin Goldman - one of the top 5 epistemologists; also, cognitive science
Ernest Sosa - among top 5 epistemologists; very well-connected guy - runs Noûs and Philosophy and Phenomenological Research.
Ted Sider - one of the top 5 metaphysicians
Jonathan Schaffer - also among the top 5 metaphysicians
Stephen Stich - big in cognitive science and philosophy of mind
Ernie Lepore - philosophy of language and cognitive science (works with Fodor)
Brian McLaughlin - philosophy of mind
Barry Loewer - philosophy of science; philosophy of mind
David Z. Albert - one of the top 3 philosophers of physics (visiting faculty)
Jill North - philosophy of physics;
Anthony Gillies - philosophy of language

Post on the board if you still have questions next year (or sooner).

Thanks a lot for that man. Ive screenshotted the post for future reference.

University education's primary purpose is a degree, which tells employers you aren't, in fact, completely retarded like they are safe to assume.

If you love to read philosophy, pursue a degree in STEM so that you have more time and money to read philosophy with.

I would highly recommend it. It really is the most patrician, fulfilling, and interesting major it is. Sadly you won't get work in the philosophy factory so do what I did and double major in a meme STEM field. I chose computer science. Analytic philosophy and computer science complement each other perfectly.

*major there is baka

Im planning on med school.

I wish I could double major in comp sci, just in case my med school plans fall through, god forbid.

Unfortunately Im taking AP comp sci this year and Im getting C's every marking period, and failing some open ended exams she's given us, lol. Idk, Im just not good at it. Its a shame, really. I wish I was.

She's right.

>Education majors are square peg in round hole stupid
Im dying here
Can confirm

>philosophy of language
Just fyi from a philosophy grad student elsewhere. Rutgers has probably the best dept for philosophy of language in the world, but it's mostly technical logicy/linguistics philosophy of language. If you think you might be into that, I'd recommend taking some logic and linguistics classes (esp. syntax and semantics), and some general intro philosophy, then after that whatever advanced philosophy of language classes you can (see if you can take graduate courses, for example). There should be plenty of options. Look for things taught by Lepore, Camp, King, Gillies, Egan, and possibly Schaffer or Sider.

Can u tell me how u balanced the triple major. What ur work/life balance is like? Im thinking of doing a philosophy, physics, and music triple major but everyone is like "wooo dude your gonna get burnt out and u should focus on one thing at a time". Do u mind lending me ur insight sempai?

Thanks for the information, man.

Ill heed your advice.

Im prepared for the hate guys but i still wanna know what its like a sempai.

I'm not good at it either. I'm much better at philosophy. But I will still graduate with a mediocre GPA and a CS major on my degree from one of the best schools in my country (McGill in LEAF land).

If you're interested in med school. however, I wouldn't recommend it. Don't sacrifice your GPA.

Hi third year premed student here.

this >all the biology I need to know for the MCAT ive learned in AP bio this year

is utter bullshit and you will still have to take Bio 1 and 2.

>state university

That was largely an exaggeration.

>you will still have to take Bio 1 and 2.
I know, and all the Bio I actually have to know will be in any prereqs I have to take. I don't see a point in majoring in Biology other than as a safety cushion if I don't get into Med School. But I can think of more useful majors for that.

My school offered a PPE program so it was naturally pretty easy to manage because a lot of the coursework overlapped, the program let you count credits from a class towards multiple degrees as long as you were in a hybrid major program and the classes were accepted in both majors as within the major (for example, international political economy, the philosophy of economics, a lot of political philosophy classes), so the true workload was like 1.5 majors instead of 3.

If you can't stack classes like that, it might fuck you up, especially if you're going into 3 majors with different prerequisite courses. Your combination is weird and probably not worth doing, cut one of them. Keep in mind that increasingly undergraduate degrees are worthless (do not buy into the STEM = meal ticket meme, it's absolutely untrue) and unless you get connections and/or get lucky you will likely end up in graduate school.

There's also the issue of paying for this kind of education. Since I was overlapping classes it didn't cost me much more than a single major's tuition. If you're going into 3 unrelated fields you are probably going to be getting raped by tuition unless you have a lot of scholarships, and working to maintain those while doing a triple major is likely to be a pain in the ass. Ask yourself, are you actually getting your money's worth in terms of

1. Is this coursework going to contribute to your growth as a person in a way that cannot be accomplished as effectively outside of the framework of said course?
2. Is this degree actually going to make your resume more attractive and will it provide you with skills that will increase your salary?

You need to answer at least one of those in the affirmative to go forward with an education. For example, I wanted to make it a quadruple major and include History in the mix but found that it was just not going to be worth it by any metric. History lectures are all over youtube for free. I pursued that education independently, and of course a history degree adds nothing on top of my other 3 in terms of opportunities. Instead I saved my money and spent it on an MPA which is helping me enter a tough job market. I have a couple of opportunities lined up with starting salaries ranging from $50-60k.

>Not double majoring and combining Philosophy with something else
>Not double majoring in college in general

Muh wasting $60,000 dollaroos a year.

Also, would recommend philo at Fordham, it's been a good experience so far.

I started out a philosophy student. Switched to classics after sophomore year. Continentals and analytics both seemed dumb. Am going to grad school to translate dank meme magic texts. Can't wait.

Also, can confirm. Philosophy pulls mad bitches. Bitches be trippin'.

>Fordham

Rutgers or NYU?

>$60,000

land of the free

Try St John's College in either Annapolis MD or Santa Fe NM

I was thinking about a philosophy master's after getting my computer science BS and marine tech BS. I plan to be a seaman philosopher with computer science as backup.

*screenshooted

They're both great. If you don't have a big wallet, go for Rutgers. If you have the cash and/or it isn't going to be utterly crippling (which it is for a lot of people), NYU.

I'm starting residency in a couple of months. Here is some advice about getting into med school:

there are basically only two things that are important to get into med school: GPA and MCAT.

You need at least a 3.8 GPA to get into med school. That means you should ask the philosophy, biology etc. university major what is the average GPA and how feasible is it to reach your goal. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. YOU CAN RETAKE THE MCAT A SECOND TIME BUT YOUR GPA IS ETCHED ON YOUR FOREHEAD FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

I'm not sure what the classes you have to take to fullfill your premed requirements to apply to med school, but you should look into that. How well you do on the MCAT is really just how well you study for the MCAT. Just like the chemistry, organic chemistry, genetics, biology courses. It's essentially natural selection for the people who have the willpower and concentration to study for multiple months at a time and retain everything for a single test.

Also don't listen to the anons tell you not to talk about premed. You need to go hard ASAP. The people who failed are the ones who flippantly mention that they are premeds, take a chemistry and biology class, get B's or C's in both, and then quit.

Im worried about not doing well in Orgo, the teacher at Rutgers is notorious for being really tough

If Im dedicated enough to study everyday for it you think I can pull a decent grade, or is it mostly natural ability for that kind of stuff? ( I may or may not have the natural ability, but considering how many people complain about Orgo its safer to assume I don't.)

you should really stop jacking yourself off with terms like "triple major" and "quadruple major." Everybody knows PPE is easy shit. You only have to focus on one of the areas, the other two are like 4 semesters of mid-level courses.

Yeah I doubled in Ivy. Was much easier than English. It's a pretty straight-forward major

>reading schopenhauer
it's like you're not even trying. schopenhauer is philosophy on easy mode + r/theredpill

Don't worry, user. You've got the right idea. Biology is a strangely impractical major to undertake.

butthurt liberal detected

thanks for the reassurance user

its always appreciated

Lit student with a full ride here.

1) Should I do a double major with philosophy? NYU's #1 in the English-speaking world apparently. Feel I should take advantage of that, considering I'm already interested in phil.

2) Anyone in law school? I'm between that, grad school, or an MFA. The MFA would be more for the connections than actually writing and I show promise, I've been told. Just trying to capitalize on my ability to write in a way that's fulfilling.

inb4 major in something else

Thank you user.

Idk about English
Id definitely strongly consider a philosophy major. You have the oppurtunity to learn from some of the worlds greatest minds.

Not English. Comparative Literature, which is another top department, oriented more toward continental philosophy however.

Go Ivy, go State, or go home.

>Implying there is anything wrong with UNH, Rutgers, UVM