Is Rap Poetry?

This question is tired(le aesop rock), reverse is more intresting: what prose/poetry sounds like it was written to be read to the beat?

Yes rap is poetry

Notorious BIG has a better poetry game than any poet since the 90s

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYDTycRfR7Q

is pizza literature?

no, only tennis so far

pizza is food, haven't you ever filled out a captcha?

Did you hear about the rose that grew from a crack
in the concrete
Proving nature's laws wrong it learned 2 walk
without having feet
Funny it seems, but by keeping its dreams
it learned 2 breathe fresh air
Long live the rose that grew from concrete
when no one else even cared!

Tupac Shakur

The Rose that Grew from Concrete

Yeah I don't know. It's true that a lot of rap is accompanied by music. That is to say that rap lyrics (here still categorized as neither 'poetry' or 'music') are superimposed over an accompanying track.

but, when we consider acapella rap for example, that is rap that is performed following a rhythm (emphasis here), that is, a cadence and flow separate from an overt, separate 'beat', we can see that rap cannot be so easily separate from poetry nor can it be so easily lumped in as music.

even sonnets, iambic pentameter, limericks, all these forms that you cucks (lmao bruh) would undeniably point towards as poetry have an inherent rhythmic structure that defines the form, and when the poetry is read out (which arguably like the script of a play or a speech is the realization of its true form), is enunciated and indeed performed with a rhythm-- a flow.

basically, i mad. dont cherry pick lyrics from certain rappers and try to paint broad strokes about a rap. especially about a guy like tupac.

fuck yall

if you read a poem aloud, would it still be a poem?

if someone played a drum kit near you while you read a poem aloud, would it still be a poem?

how many of the words of the poem would have to be in time with the drums before the poem stopped being a poem and started being rap music?

Words like 'poem' and 'literature' aren't hard and fast terms. They're organic, and evolve with our understanding of the medium.

If it seems like a poem to you, it's a poem

>imagination brings bliss at no cost
>when I blink blink I receive at no loss
>victory comes in small packages
>like a leaf of an olive tree brought back by a dove
>From above, then I'm gonna rhyme love

i dare you check these lyrics. its 100% about love, but poetry it is
youtube.com/watch?v=PJktY5gVIZA
lyrics: ezralimm.blogspot.cz/2013/03/nujabes-luvsic-all-six-parts.html

is my dick a pen?

Ill be fuckin

In the studio with Nebs and yep we pop anything
Xanax and endone and some cough medicine
Nah, you're not getting them hyped, from offsettin' my mic
I'm what excellence defines to be better described.

Kerser, I'm your boyfriend's favorite
But then they get the shits cos their girlfriends play it
People love me yeah, only hated by a whack bunch
Probably cause my crew jacked their shit and left em smacked up.

Don't hate the player, they say hate the game;
Youre why I hate aussie rap so you can take the blame
I see coppers and I laugh cause you're not my equal
I'm sellin CDs and yeah this shit's legal.

This is easy, gang shit, gutter rap
Spoken from a street view so you can't fuck with that
I want something back I'm charging with interest
Dont say what to me, it's beg your pardon you bitches.

Fuck all you bitches, Fuck, Fuck all you bitches
Kerser's at the club man I'm the sickest cunt.

Obviously

Those 2pac lyrics are from a posthumous 2pac song. At best he wrote it and trashed it, or at worst he didn't write it at all and its just various lines from other 2pac songs mixed together to make money off his name

I'm thinking the latter, because the "started as a seed from semen" line sounds like its from this song, which he actually wrote

youtube.com/watch?v=mQRdHXJMgzk

2pac was actually a great poet/writer as far as rappers generally go.

Truly great rap can accomplish the same thing as poetry which is telling vivid and compelling stories with a complex rhyming scheme. Rap is also much more than poetry in that it includes clever wordplay and punchlines.

kek

I actually read(lol) some 30 page hentai manga that was actually more literature than most comics I've read. Even the sex was tasteful and blended beautifully with the tone of the little story. I wish I had the name now.

>discussing what you've come to
is this what we've come to

not saying i disagree with you but you write like a fucking retard

Rap is definitely poetry, and in some cases it is very good poetry.

And she capture features of a woman, but only seventeen
The seven cars start honking, she start running
like Flo-Jo, don't care if they Joe Blow
If they got money to blow, a blow job is a sure go
And sure enough don't see a dime of dirty dollars
Just give all to her daddy, but she don't know her father, that's ironic
See a block away from Lueders Park, I seen the El Camino parked
and in her heart she hate it there, but in her mind she made it where
nothing really matters, so she hit the back seat
Rosa Parks never a factor when she making ends meet

This part has some really strong and poignant languange.

literally no figurative language/10

>Heavens to betsy!

MC Ride has a better vocabulary than most modern authors or poets.

It do not matter
Turn to a savage, pocket got fatter, she call me daddy
Smoking that gas, gone off that Xanny, she on the powder
Nowadays I am on, my haters got sadder
Money got longer, speaker got louder, car got faster
Turn to a savage, pocket got fatter, she call me daddy
Smoking that gas, gone off that Xanny, she on the powder
Nowadays I am on, my haters got sadder
Money got longer, speaker got louder, car got faster

No, it's not. For starters, any music is music. Secondly, even if focusing on the lyrical aspect, rap culture is not particularly bright or meaningful. White people that have never lived with black people love to idolize rap that black people do not listen to anymore and pretend it's some symbol of their unseen intellect. I grew up in Tupelo Mississippi as part of the lower class so had black people around me often. They openly would laugh at white people listening to tupac, and while they respect him rap culture has moved on to shit like pic related. That's all there is to it.

>For starters, any music is music.
[[blaspheming in homeric greek intensifies]]

To elaborate further: Just because you want to pretend rap is poetry by placing more current cultural relevance or importance to admittedly rare intellectual rappers like tupac doesn't make it so.

Rap was very counter culture at the time, and while it's gone mainstream still tries to distance itself as far as possible. So the black communities of mississippi would often reject bigger respected rappers like drake for "selling out" (which in a sense he did) and would instead choose rappers that "white people don't know/like". Usually revolting starch that is as stupid as possible in its slurs. Again, pic related. Hottest rapper right now as far as I know.

I'm not even black, I'm Russian. But had a few ghetto black friends whether for better or worse and this is where I get this from

Satan guide my cock!!!

>Just because you want to pretend rap is poetry by placing more current cultural relevance or importance to admittedly rare intellectual rappers
That's it, I'm uploading the Iliad to metrolyrics, you fucking turnip

It is poetry but it's usually very simple poetry that doesn't even graze mediocrity. Most of rap is a pseudo-improvisational attempt to keep up with the beat, and more effort is given to making it through the next line rather than saying something insightful or creating a beautiful image. It's written to accompany music and should be considered within the context of the sounds that it's performed with; judging it outside of that environment reveals an ignorance of both literature and pop music. What sounds good with a throbbing baseline and chanting crowd doesn't have the same potency when you're reading it alone in your silent room. Even excellent lyricists like Bob Dylan and Bert Jansch can't compare to most notable contemporary poets because they're totally dependent upon established and repetitive rhythms and melodies, and lack the freedom of unrestricted language.

Rap is far better than poetry. The ratio of raps produced : to good raps, is way higher than that of poetry produced : good poetry.
Additionally, the heights to which poetry pretends and the heights it achieves are ridiculously out proportion compared to the heights to which rap pretends and the heights it achieves.

Even if poetry has five or six figures like Eliot and Rilke who manage to carry the whole sorry medium on their back - and whom if taken alone could be considered competitive with rap - poetry will forever be staggered and stumbled by the weight of cumulative idiocy.

Think Aesop Rock, it can be

Kill yourself.

Visualizing the realism of life in actuality
Fuck who's the baddest, a person's status depends on salary
And my mentality is money-orientated
I'm destined to live the dream for all my peeps who never made it
Cause yeah, we were beginners in the hood as 5 Percenters
But something must've got in us
Cause all of us turned to sinners
Now some resting in peace and some are sittin' in San Quentin
Others such as myself are trying to carry on tradition
Keeping this Schweppervescent street ghetto essence inside us cause it provides us with the proper insight to guide us
Even though we know somehow we all gotta go
But as long as we leaving thievin'
We'll be leavin' with some kind of dough
So, until that day we expire and turn to vapors
Me and my capers will be somewhere stackin' plenty papers
Keeping it real, packing steel, getting high
Cause life's a bitch and then you die

French rap can be poetical :

Peu d'hommes sincères, Dieu sait qu'on est seuls
Et les fautifs se repassent la faute
Mais notre histoire est un trésor renfermant la vérité
Symbole d'espoir laissé dans les cieux
Deux âmes sœurs, les yeux dans les yeux
Deux miroirs en face l'un de l'autre reflétant l'éternité

[Couplet 1]
Éclairé par le soleil couchant
Et la lumière de la lune à l'aube
Mes deux pieds sur deux plaques tectoniques
Qui s'éloignent l'une de l'autre
Quand tu as vu le jour, il pleuvait, ce monde tourne à l'envers
Quand tu es parti, le ciel était rose et ta peau était bleutée
Le ciel aussi pleure après la dépression, je trouve l'idée précieuse
Nu, à genoux sous un nuage noir
Les seules vraies réponses sont des questions
Comme la femme de Salomon, tu adorais le soleil
Avant d'rejoindre Dieu, avant d'laisser mon âme seule au monde
Elle te fait renaître un jour, le lendemain t'achève
Suspendu à ses lèvres, obligé de m'attacher
La vérité vaut son pesant d'or, nos exemples sont trafiqués
J'suis en apesanteur, tout me semble sans gravité

[Pont]
J'attends la réussite des astres
J'attends la réussite des astres
J'attends la réussite des astres
J'attends la réussite des astres

[Couplet 2]
Les constellations sont frêles, j'imagine ton image dans le ciel
Pour dessiner les traits de ton visage, je relie les étoiles entre elles
Je veux pas seulement qu'on m'aime passionnément
Je pensais la connaître, c'est tout moi
Embrassez-moi comme elle, trop de trous noirs et de plans sur la comète
Je suis une étoile filante, je laisse les traînées derrière moi
Une étoile filante, je les laisse me pointer du doigt
Les angoisses et mes songes se ressemblent à s'y méprendre
Comment embrasser le son et ses méandres sans laisser mes cendres ?
Marre de ce manège, dis-moi qui tient les manettes
Je ne crois que ma mère, le cauchemar démarre dans ma tête
Et je sens mon mal-être grandir de manière exponentielle
Ah... À l'aide, une étoile explose dans le ciel

>Rosa Parks never a factor when she making ends meet
What does this mean to you, user?

Namedropping and comparing consensual sex for money to a civil rights issue.

There's nothing worse than non-American rappers. Foreigners trying to rap is just embarrassing.

Please return to your pseud containment board

Is soup a beverage?

>not listening to french social consciousness rap
>thinking they didn't write songs about your kind before you were born
>all because you're monolingual
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdXBOig_JJw
don't let it happen to you kids

>listening to any kind of "conscious" rap in any language
Why? Rappers are some of the least knowledgeable and least educated people on the planet. I've never heard one who had anything valuable to say about society or culture.

>donut penis!

>can't understand the entire thing is about the influence of poetry on class and culture
>thinks culture is anything so long as it's not french, or greek, or any of those other languages he can't understand
>probably still thinks Rimbaud is hotshit
have you considered you're not educated enough to lecture the matter?

are graphic novels literature?
is gaming a sport?

This post is very incoherent. Rewrite it in a more competent manner and I'll give it an honest response; otherwise, don't reply to me again.

Literally the Beat Generation.

youtube.com/watch?v=oS4xa53MWSY&ab_channel=Aeolus13Umbra

>can't even understand greentext
it seems more fun to keep poking fun at you.

>proto-hippies

beat it

> social consciousness rap

Couldn't you really consider most song lyrics to be poetry? I mean poorly written and uninteresting when not set to music but it basically is

do you prefer social consciousness poetry? is that why you need the cruise ship guide?

This kinds of discussions imho are just ways for people to distract themselves from talking about the specific quality of diffrent works and to justify whatever dumb shit they consume.

Of course it is poetry. Is Catullus poetry? Is the Iliad Poetry? Then rap is poetry because Catullus and most ancient poets basically rapped. They had a beat from a flute. I'm mentioning Catullus because his works are very vulgar and similar to Hip Hop. Rap is poetry from the poor uneducated masses and not from the rich aristocratic kids like Catullus whose parents can afford expensive studies. We only know about the existence of rap because modern technology can preserve it. I'm sure that there were poor poets in the suburbia of Rome during the antiquity but their works weren't preserved because they couldn't afford paper or learning to write. This is different today as the poor masses have taken over as leading culture.
I'm sorry for my lacking english skills as it is not my native language.

>Excited cause I have a (you)
>It's just one of these shitty mass response posts

>This is different today as the poor masses have taken over as leading culture
As the Figureheads of modern culture perhaps but you'd be a fool to think that they really are responsible for the majority of modern art, music included.

>your opinion
>valid

French rappers usually have a better writing style than american rappers. It's not surprising to find decent rhyme shemes and impressive use of rythm in a mainstream track, some even collaborated with great names like Nas.

Even Kendrick loves Nekfeu, the guy quoted.
youtube.com/watch?v=yEyTe-QzyfQ

I think certain artists has a little poetry in their music. I don't particularly deem that these artists are on the same levels of true poetry.

Drake has some good lines that I'm impressed with.

Tyler, the Creator has some truly interesting emotions and lyrical composition.

Kendrick Lamar, I believe, has some truly poetic songs like "How Much A Dollar Cost" and "Mortal Man".

just fuck my shit up senpai

>those lyrics
Is Tupac one of the most overrated rappers?

RIP 3pac

Bitches with big butts is alliteration so I would say no he can't be overrated.

...

Nah, I think 2pac is one of the few artists who is deserving of his massive popularity.

The lines aren't mixed together, supersperg.
Tupac repeats himself constantly in his songs.
"started as a seed from semen", much like "shot 5 times" is one of his memes that he uses in like a billion songs.

>"started as a seed from semen"
name a song that 2pac released while living in which he says that
>Sheltered white user fires up rapgenius.com

hell no, just noise. only thing worse is dub step.

Ya boy got fucked in the ass back in prison
When ya saw me '99 I was straight blunt rippin'
Used to get shot when I slang da crack rock
Now I be flippin' cheddar in dat BK parking lot

Swap bottom-left for Elizabeth Warren.

>autistic homework assignment

he does the "cursed semen" meme in like 50 songs because he's a nigger or whatever.
what's your point again? that (even though he recorded this) this song was only used posthumously, therefore he's a poet?
lol retard

>he does the "cursed semen" meme in like 50 songs because he's a nigger or whatever.
You seem to listen to a lot of his songs for him being a nigger

>Poetry has rhythm.
Woah really? Holy shit you are a genius tell us more.

>Tyler, the Creator has some truly interesting emotions and lyrical composition.

>Tyler, the Creator has some truly interesting emotions and lyrical composition.

RapGenius already has a bunch of poetry and shit on it.

>Drake has some good lines that I'm impressed with.
>Why you always fighting with me at cheesecake factory? You know I love to go there

It's not a comparison. It's saying how Keisha, even after civil rights for black equality, is ready to demean the entirety of her race in order to earn money. It's not simply degrading her, it's degrading everyone. Everything about equality is lost when the people don't even respect their own self worth.

>MY BITCH SUCC DICK LIKE SHE SUCC DICK

Pure poetry, rap game Shakespeare my dude.
Maybe you should write a book on rap like David Faggot Walrus.

They calling my phone up.
My girl like what's going on bruh.
She succ it, put me in a coma.
I nut on that bitch and my sofa

Just thought I'd put this here, ignore the fat annoying cunt who hits the buttons way too often:
youtube.com/watch?v=sEOKgjoxoto
youtube.com/watch?v=EhrYQrLBiTQ
youtube.com/watch?v=J8umCijRdnQ
youtube.com/watch?v=7nnLBzzQk-I
youtube.com/watch?v=opH-Rbjlxkw

I'd say some rap could be considered poetry but the right stuff is definitely art in my opinion. Someone telling their own story, their own opinions on things, values, attitudes, etc, etc. all in a creative way that flows well and rhymes. Not to mention some of the better artists have some pretty cryptic punch lines and references that feel pretty good when you can wrap your head around them.

Rap is poetry in the way that children's picture books are literature.

Of course it is. You'd have to be racist to think otherwise.

That doesn't mean it's particularly good poetry, though. In fact, "allowing" rap to be considered poetry along with the likes of Donne and Yeats should reveal how inadequate it is as a lyrical mode.

Scroob is my favourite terrible half celebrity

he's fucking great
www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3HCXh9WQSo

Please return to your pseud containment board

Why do you try to discredit these posters including me with an ad hominem? You could instead truly to argue against our points but you don't. That's why your argument is invalid. Try harder next time.

9/10 bait

No. Rap is music minus music minus singing minus a thinking person's vocabulary.
It's monkey noise. At it's very very best, it's mediocre poetry by a man who hasn't read a book this year.

do you want to talk about scroobious pip instead?
nonsenselit.org/Lear/pw/pip.html

Uh, now put that pussy on my lip and dip
Yeah, let’s make a movie, I’ma flip the script
Yeah, I wax that ass like Q-Tip
Yeah, float in that pussy like a cruise ship
Uh, ’cause I’m a nasty motherfucker
Yeah, I eat that pussy like the last supper
Yeah, I beat that pussy like brass knuckles
Heh, she call me daddy and she scream “Uncle”
Open up and spread, I’m pullin’ her hair, she pullin’ my dreads
I’m breakin’ her off, we breakin’ the bed
Fuck her like a dog, she shakin’ her leg
I’m killin’ it soft, I’m makin’ it red
I’m makin’ her talk, I’m makin’ her beg
I’m makin’ her crawl, I’m makin’ her run
I’m makin’ it numb, I’m makin’ it cum, I am
Young Weezy F. Baby
She wish she could make a copy of my dick and save it

If these arenot poetry I don't know what is?

Bitch, stop playin', I do it like a king do
If these niggas animals, then I'mma have a mink soon

Okay, I lost my mind, it's somewhere out there stranded
I think you stand under me if you don't understand me

Paper chasin', tell that paper, "Look, I'm right behind ya"
Bitch, real G's move in silence like lasagna

---Lil Wayne