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First for there being nothing wrong with talking about old books without constantly, defensively mentioning that you also like new books.

I know it's >YA but anyone here read Cinder / Lunar Chronicles series? It kind of looks interesting, premise wise.

And I guess just throw some books at me with interesting, non-standard premises.

I have yet to read modern fantasy that wasn't written by an established author that wasn't trash or extremely mediocre at best.
Science fiction unlike fantasy had decent titles. Not sure what makes fantasy worse in comparison, or rather more attractive to hordes of nerds and feminists.

>interesting, non standard premises

Finch by Jeff VanDerMeer
The Anubis Gates by Tim Powers
Anything by Carlton Mellick III if you're feeling like some dumb fun.

>and feminists
Is it really the belief in feminist ideals that you dislike, or preachy and/or heavy-handed writing?

Not him but both.

FUUUCCCKKKK YOOUUUU
I was going to make the new thread.

I spent over 9000 hours in paint to make a thread pic...

Will still post it

Topic
>What are the most recent rendition of Sword and Sorcery?

S&S is a shit genre, I'm very glad it's dead. Now whateverthefuck the genre Weeks and Ryria is doing needs to die.

Funny you say that, it's the opposite here. I find more modern fantasy than scifi. All the scifi titles in my backlog are old authors, except Watts I guess.

>implying I'm chart user
I guess if I say
>5 months for Blood Mirror
You would say I am chart user too? There are more than one person who likes a particular book in these threads.
If I saw you speaking about Gene Wolfe should I call you chart user? He has multiple books by that author on his bait chart.

>kind of

Souls in the Great Machine, Sean McMullen. Post-apoc Australians build a human-powered supercomputer and abduct numerate citizens for its galley slaves.
True Names, Cory Doctorow and Ben Rosenbaum. Politics within post-singularity superintelligences.
The Carnelian Cube, L. Sprague de Camp and Fletcher Pratt. Guy takes a trip through alternate American South. Really bizarre alternate American South.
Quantum Thief, Hannu Rajaniemi. Gentleman thief stealing lifetime from Martian French Revolution types. One of the Solar System's major powers is descended from MMO guilds.
Servant of the Underworld, Aliette de Bodard. Aztec magic murder mystery.
The Golden Age, John C. Wright. Post-post-scarcity captain of industry realizes he signed away a few hundred years of memory.
Cold Allies, Patricia Anthony. Video game nerd pilots a halftrack mecha fighting Arabs in the Pyrenees.
The Face in the Frost, John Bellairs. Pair of crotchety wizards doing wizard things.
Deep Secret, Diana Wynne Jones. Wizard in charge of Earth cuts corners by bringing all the wizard candidates together at a con. Features floppy disk magic hacking.
Deathworld, Harry Harrison. Planet where every single form of life wants to kill humans and they all walk around with loaded guns from age 4.
Mirage, Matt Ruff. Alt-hist where the Arabs are a democratic superpower and the Baghdad twin towers were destroyed by Texans.
New Model Army, Adam Roberts. Mercenaries introduce true democracy into war with horrifying results.

I don't get why people ask this question so often, so they not know publishing and authors are overwhelmingly leftists?

c.j. cherryh is good

Or maybe you have different standards for fantasy as opposed to scifi.

>GRRM wrote sci-fi?
It used to be all he was known for. I'm told it's much better than his fantasy.

Margaret Atwood sounds more your speed.

see the first part of

>another boring popshit rehash book
yes i would.

I don't get your point, like half of all authors also self identify as Anarchists, is that not far-left enough for you?

GRRM his best works are his stand alone.

Fevre Dream is also a big recommendation.

ASOIAF was supposed to be a trilogy but then the editors wanted more so the padding came in.

>like half of all authors also self identify as Anarchists, is that not far-left enough for you?
Oh. I just didn't know that. Besides Moorcock and LeGuin, who? I know Mieville is a Marxist.

Liberalism is a leftist ideology, but leftism isn't only liberalism.
I don't think I apply a different standard to different types of novels in general, but the autism of sf does work better than autism of Sanderson/Jordan.
Atwood is pure ideology. She's like Ayn Rand.

>2nd malazan book
>halfway through
>no motivation to keep reading

ehh, and I loved the first book

>Margaret Atwood sounds more your speed.
Atwood is a Red Tory.

It's ok.

I had a hard time finishing it and then I decided to postpone reading the 3rd.

I think I just wanted something else.
Maybe some tearjerker book, something to appeal to my emotions not autism.

>Liberalism is a leftist ideology, but leftism isn't only liberalism.
Liberalism is centerism. And its the dominant ideology of the age. Most "conservatives" are actually liberals because they support capitalism.

Paolo Bacigalupi, Alan Moore, Kim Robinson, Gail Martin, Paula Volsky, Philip Pullman, Robin Hobb etc.

I could go on endlessly, genre fiction is fucking dominated by leftists, now try to do the same for rightist genre fiction other than Castalia.

Liberalism originally comes as a reaction in philosophy to scholasticism which is now more or less the only strong basis for a conservative outlook with Locke and in politics with the French Revolution which is also a revolt against conservative values.
They all mix in America as Locke is the ideological founder of it so there it's very fluid.

Well, the only one on your list that I knew was a leftist was Alan Moore, and I'm a leftist, so I wouldn't be able to do it for rightist genre fiction even if it were equitable.

But to be honest I'm glad to hear it's dominated by leftists.

Liberalism (At least, modern American definition) is just wanting social and political change.
Like conservatism it's essentially a meaningless term only defined by the status quo.
Centrism too.

Then there's classical liberalism and the liberalism that came from the enlightenment in which case you're right.
But America uses a different definition.

These days liberalism is literally just progressivism.

Literature is dominated by the left currently because the right in all shapes and sizes has refused to adapt and has collapsed in on itself, it's becoming a dead ideology for the ignorant masses.

>American definitions
>Mattering

You guys also think libertarianism is extreme capitalism and socialism is roads and healthcare.

>mfw comments like this is exactly why labour's voting base has vanished and why left-politics are dying in Europe

Years of Rice and Salt, Kim Stanley Robinson. Alt-hist following a group of reincarnating friends through a world where the Black Death completely wiped Europe.
Mossflower, Brian Jacques. Epic hero cycle except they're mice on riverboats.
Watership Down, Robert Adams. National myth cycle except they're rabbits. Just rabbits, in rabbit warrens, viewing humans as dark gods.
Powder Mage, Brian McClellan. Napoleonic Wars except snorting gunpowder gives some people superpowers.
Frontier Magic, Patricia C. Wrede. Exploring the American frontier but there's magic.
A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge. Two sublight human civs trying to make first contact with spider aliens. Includes slavery through autism.
Alfred Bester, The Stars My Destination. Count of Monte Cristo in space.

>American definitions
>Mattering
I would say that a country which has shaped the political views of many countries and is also the most powerful country in the world, or at least was, with globalization helping the spread of everything strong in it, yes.
>You guys also think libertarianism is extreme capitalism
Well yes, that's the idea of Locke, French Revolution, Adam Smith and mostly even Hayek. Liberalism is economic first and everything else second.
>and socialism is roads and healthcare.
More like gulags and abortion

Listen, reactionaries are always going to exist. Nothing I say can stop that, or anyone. People are more willing to cling to their religions, their economic principles while hypocritically declaring independence from all, and their arrogance to suggest their sex or their race is superior, it's all going to always exist en masse.

Especially now. There will always be an ignorant mass willing to support a David Cameron, and people even worse than him. And it isn't because of leftists making edgy comments, it's because fear and hysteria will always craft anger and resentment born of ignorance of knowledge.

>why left-politics are dying in Europe
Are you happy or upset by this?

> socialism is roads
Infrastructure spending collapsed under Obama.

Nixon truly was the last liberal.

>More like gulags and abortion
>abortion
>bad

Since when did shitty sixty year old uncles start coming here, who gives a fuck lmfao

I'm trying to remember a couple of science fiction books. One of them was about how space colonization is so expensive the only way to improve on your investment is to send mercs to pillage your colonies. Part of the future world was that food came from factories and eating natural food was considered disgusting. I think the word Dragon was in the title.

The other one was about a human race linked by wormholes that's fighting this hivemind race that calls itself Prime. The humans are all immortal, and there's a subplot where this dreadlocks guy is walking on fairy paths through a bunch of different planets.

But they absolutely dominate.
All values are straight out of your bag of progressive nonsense.
Cameron is a conservative
Are you fucking retarded?

>everyone that doesn't think like me is scared and ignorant

Cameron is about as left as any of his fucking community.

>But to be honest I'm glad to hear it's dominated by leftists.

You shouldn't, a lack of political diversity is a death sentence; it killed social sciences hardcore.

Everybody should be upset by Europe's waning liberalism, without a strong opposition conservatism flounders.

That isn't what I said. I said anyone who falls for the bullshit the alt right, the new right, what have you sells, they're completely unsalvageable human beings. They've taken the road to hysterically hating everything, without seeing a way of strategy or nuance to get what they want, and they don't even have clear wants.

>Well yes, that's the idea of Locke, French Revolution, Adam Smith and mostly even Hayek.
But they weren't the people who invented the word. It still refers to anarcho-communists and syndicalists in most of continental Europe. Also Adam Smith being in the same tier as Austrians like Hayek is literally a meme made by people who don't understand Adam Smith.

I forgot to add a > to the quote
Was trying to say that there's nothing conservative about him.

>what are break lines

>You shouldn't, a lack of political diversity is a death sentence; it killed social sciences hardcore.
I'm working on a master's degree in anthropology right now.

I'm Sorry user.

Do you not see any irony in your words?

1 Big King menu if you please.

My bad, was just throwing out recs.

Are you one of those that wanted the general to be split, and then found out that scifi laid dead in the water on it's own?

Fagget

This is a humanities board, STEMlord. Get out.

No I really don't. Hating a mass of hysterical people for being hysterically volatile isn't in itself hate, no more than hating a child throwing a tantrum is. People fell for martians invading from just a radio broadcast adaptation of War of the Worlds, replace the radio with the internet and martians with race relations.

>But they weren't the people who invented the word.
Locke is as far as I know, or is the most important figure to the formation of the movement if not the inventor of the word itself.
>It still refers to anarcho-communists and syndicalists in most of continental Europe.
I've never heard of liberalism being related to communism or the syndicates. And I'm from central Europe.
Liberalism as word wrongly related to the sexual revolution? That's another story.
>Also Adam Smith being in the same tier as Austrians like Hayek is literally a meme made by people who don't understand Adam Smith.
I won't claim to understand him, but Hayek is pretty clear on being a follower of Smith and liberalism.
No, that wasn't me, although when the fantasy general was made and sffg stayed parallel to it I noticed a massive decrease of plebs and the thread was great.

I'm a blue collar worker.

You're being bigoted against a large group of people based on your accusation of their bigotry.
>b-but it's true
Riiight.

>liberalism
I said libertarianism.

What do you do? I'm just construction labor, boss is a local contractor that mostly does real estate remodeling.

It is true. Almost all the alt-right and the new right throw away knowledge and subtlety away in terms of blind hysterics and race populism. It's always been this way.

I don't know man, this shit going in the seven cities just isn't as interesting as what was happening during the jenna backis campaign with the bridge burners, that was really awesome and fun to read through, but this is just boring with boring characters

But you're throwing away knowledge and subtlety right now. And you're also creeping away from
>There will always be an ignorant mass willing to support a David Cameron, and people even worse than him. And it isn't because of leftists making edgy comments, it's because fear and hysteria will always craft anger and resentment born of ignorance of knowledge.
Let's stick with that, shall we? David Cameron is born of anger and ignorance. Look at that for a minute. Let's just bask in it.

I'm not a bigot when I'm intolerant of other people's opinions because their opinions are wrong, therefore I'm not bigoted.

My bad user.
All egalitarian/progressive ideologies are extremely totalitarian in nature, so his dismissal of people who believe in heresy x is to be expected.
As we mentioned Hayek, his Law, Legislation and Liberty and A Road to Serfdom as well as The Servile State by Hilaire Belloc are great reads.

You're wasting your time trying to argue desu. The populism is going to die down once the Syrian Civil War ends and the refugees stop coming. Then it will go back to business as usual.

Remember to
>report pol posts
>hide pol posts

>But you're throwing away knowledge and subtlety right now.
No I'm not I'm using it. Reactionary thought has always been this way, history always repeats itself. People are hardly original in their politics.

>Let's stick with that, shall we? David Cameron is born of anger and ignorance. Look at that for a minute. Let's just bask in it.
Cameron is a fucking fraud, whoever voted for him must have some sort of hatred against others.

This wouldn't happen every other thread if you guy didn't get BTFO'd by pol posts so easily, embarrassing.

Foreman gardening local government.
Before that I was a bricklayer.

I'm actually "overqualified", but I liked working outside more than sitting on my ass.

What should be the maximum length of a fantasy series?

I don't even know who is supposed to be pol here.

Trilogy or a quartet.

Maybe the guy naming Cameroon a reactionaries choice.

Fourteen books plus a prequel book.

>whoever voted for him must have some sort of hatred against others.

Uh, no shit? Wait, just how young are you?

That's leftypol.

I've done a little brick work, just a retaining wall though. Seems pretty chill. Landscaping, though, I can't handle the sun as well as I used to.

I know what you mean about doing something when you work, having a finished product to look at. The money where I'm at sucks, though.

Until it gets boring. You can write a lot of books in a series if that series is Discworld.

Is Discworld the Gintama of SFF?

It's the Precure.

Find a flaw

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>Anubis Gates
My nigga.

A few on here are like that.

Any SFF novels where the protagonists are idoru with godlike strength and agility?

That chart is the definition of generic sameshit.