HB: I spend a good part of my life in bookstores – I give readings there when a new book of mine has come out...

We had a thread about this "stretched his legs" was searched in a Kindle by some retard.
But "he got up to stretch his legs" "let's stretch our legs" "its good to stretch the legs after a meal" and many other variants are used.

This is a "beam me up Scotty" quote. A readily recognizable place holder for a hundred permutations that do appear, while no directly being in the material itself.

I see. My bad then.

Why does this argument get flopped around for reading?

Any other art form this is prima facie retarded
>Lots of people get their feet wet with pop music before moving on to classical.
No. Pop music is ubiquitous and it's consumption is usually first because of that. It in no way prepares you to move on to other forms of music.

unlike that jazz, right adorno?

Jazz is reddit: the music genre.
Something for stupid people who believe themselves to be intelligent and cultured to consume and remain in their bubble of alleged intelligence and culture

That would be fine if it was true, but now it seems common to read only YA even into adulthood. That's what people will do because it is socially acceptable and it is the path of least resistance. Many people who grew up reading Harry Potter didn't move on to higher brow fantasy, they moved on to the Hunger Games.

interesting

people move on to sub genres, modern classical is all garbage

youtube.com/watch?v=13D1YY_BvWU

Then these people should be reproached, if YA is all they read. It is because of inverse snobbery that they are not - which raises the question of why inverse snobbery is the prevailing culture.

You're not really qualified to judge modern classical if the best you can come up with is the helicopter quartet.

because most 'high brow' literature is pseudo intellectual and vacuous

second this as a classical musician. that shit's old news.

>Its values, and everything in it, are, as Gatsby said of his own world when the light had gone out of his dream, ''only personal.''

Only Yanks would think the Great Gatsby and, by extension, American literature as a whole, is respectably quotable.

There is a certain irony in trashing Harry Potter whilst appealing to the authority of such a plebeian work.

post some modern classical pieces that you think are great

>Byatt
Born: August 24, 1936 (age 79), Sheffield, United Kingdom

...

I stand corrected.

Good thing I'm not an equally plebeian Brit.

There is nothing wrong in what I've said.

Call the roller of big cigars,
The muscular one, and bid him whip
In kitchen cups concupiscent curds.
Let the wenches dawdle in such dress
As they are used to wear, and let the boys
Bring flowers in last month’s newspapers.
Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

Take from the dresser of deal,
Lacking the three glass knobs, that sheet
On which she embroidered fantails once
And spread it so as to cover her face.
If her horny feet protrude, they come
To show how cold she is, and dumb.
Let the lamp affix its beam.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

that's besides the point, we were just saying that your example was eccentric.

but in the spirit of cooperation: youtu.be/me-qu2VG-rk

>sokal

Lol found the pleb.

except for all of it. you also used the word "whilst," like a dumb faggot. but I'll bite: tell us why Fitzgerald and (by extension) American literature is unworthy of respect.

I can not imagine listening to this outside of film or video game

yes - you.

>Condemning the correct use of English

Truly, we seem to have a Yank on our hands.

>tell us why Fitzgerald and (by extension) American literature is unworthy of respect

Compare and contrast the highest works of American literature to the highest work of European literature.

The former does not compare.

You type like a 16 year old Atheist who just spent the day watching Hitchens videos on YouTube

>Compare and contrast the highest works of American literature to the highest work of European literature
pffft

I feel sorry for your educators, though perhaps I assume too much.

Mediocre.

>could you explain why American lit sucks?
>bc European lit is better

yea verily

>he hasn't read James

Moby Dick is passable.

>passable

Excellent opinion my man. Gonna steal this.

He states he read the first one though? Maybe he just didn't pay much attention.

>pic related

chill out

does bloom have a list of books that children should be reading instead of harried poofter?

mrbauld.com/bloomjr.html

pretty solid imo

can't wait to do this in fifty years

>not alpha enough to get away with it at any age

>bloom

Maybe they don't think those books are as bad, Anonymous.

The Sokal thing only had to do with postmodern philosophy which Bloom is also extremely critical of, though mostly in the context of literary criticism

There's also the anthology he put together called Stories and Poems for Extremely Intelligent Children of All Ages.

I've always read that/lit/ posters were retarded. It's interesting to find confirmation so easily.

This was why I ended up quitting Game of Thrones somewhere early on in the third book. By that point I was shaking my head every couple of pages.

Wonder what Bloom would say if asked about that lol

By posting here you're only making the stereotype worse.

Probably something like "a lazy perversion of real history coupled with a Tolkien-like universe but without any kind of ingenuity". GoT truly is a cancer, at least before the show it wasn't that big of a thing, but now it's everywhere. youtube.com/watch?v=K4C43rXNpoE

You're like 20, aren't you?

>HomeArts: Why should children read? And why should children read good books?
>Bloom: To be coldly pragmatic about it, reading good books will make them more interesting both to themselves and to others. And it is by becoming more interesting--and this sounds callous, but it's true, I think--that by becoming more interesting both to oneself and to others, one develops a sense of one's separate and distinct self.
>So if children are to individuate themselves, they will not do it by watching television, or by playing video games, or by listening to rock, or by watching rock videos. They will individuate themselves by being alone with a book, by being alone with the poetry of William Blake or A. E. Housman, or being alone with Norse mythology or The Wind in the Willows.

Why is this so true?

I'm not even meming. You have to be a legitimate retard and/or pleb to not appreciate jazz.

I'm almost convinced shows like Game of Thrones never even attempted to be art, not even ungodly "lower" art. I have no idea what people learn from it, or what it does to them internally, but they always talk about it and create memes from it. It's just cultural currency. It's a list of references you need to know to be hip. It's a convienent focus point for youtube videos and inane internet articles to circle around, items which exist to be tossed around and raise the views on websites.

It's almost as if pop shit is intricately created to be deliberately marketable to mass audiences for the sole purpose of making money.

Funny how a board that spends most its time shitting on literature has such issues when others shit on literature. Is it because these people got famous by shitting on literature?

>listening to rock
What decade is he living in? And that he doesn't even consider that he thinks readers are more interesting because he is one himself is laughable.

Fantastically worded.

I think that you have to remember that reading, as an act itself, is not intrinsically beneficial. A person who has read a volume of Chomsky, for example (replace with any critical thinker of your choosing, left or right), will have more worldly value than somebody who has read countless Harry Potters. Then again, it depends on what knowledge you take from each book- Harry Potter may be cliched, but keep in mind that its target audience have not come across its tropes before, in all likelihood.It can be said that these young adult books teach the value of empathy and resilience to the fostering mind, but the problem arises if they choose not to continually challenge themselves with new ideas as they grow older. The thirty year old Harry Potter nerd is a cliche in itself, and their attachment is based on sentiment and nostalgia. I suppose that you're looking at it from an aesthetic point of view whereas I'm looking at the novel's cult value, but the appreciation of both is assumed to elevate one onto some higher plain of being. Harry Potter has undoubtedly acted as a gateway for many into the broader realm of literature, but many of its readers also choose to seek out similarly 'inspirational novels', dulling themselves emotionally and intellectually.

whilst whilsting I added an es tee to my while whilst dropping the e, for twas very sophisticated to do thusly in my opinion, but sadly unbeknownst to me for most others it scanned as a distractingly inane and overly-conscious maneuver

Yeah it's a soap opera. Everyone knows this

That interview is from 1995. Also, there's some rock music that he likes, he's just pointing out that in general it's not anywhere near as interesting as great literature, or the music of Bach and Mozart, or even Jazz music

This is truly a new nightmare and I seriously just woke up from one.

"Most others" probably being Americans. British people still use the word with regularity. Brits always sound pretentious, though.

upvote

>or even Jazz music

>Compare and contrast the highest works of American literature to the highest work of European literature.
Why should I compare a country to a continent? Completely asinine.

America is a continent, dipshit.

xD

Moby Dick is the best piece of English lit, second only to Ulysses.

>letting a Jew make your opinions for you.

Yes, and they have actually expressed it much better than I ever could.

Thanks.

Who is William Shakespeare?

Great effortposters.

It has well-written characters. (Talking about the books, not necessarily the show.) That part of the story is 100% quality. A lot of normies (mostly those who only watch the show) just like le ebin shocking twists though, so there are multiple reasons for its popularity.

>old people
who the fuck cares

they probably have dementia anyway

who is Chris Marlowe?

Does he have any literally merit or was he the original shitposter?

(Got to admit that parts of Naked Lunch gave me a solid.)

no

I'm just not a retard pseud who likes jazz because it gives some air of sophistication while being largely ignorant of the medium

all the redeeming aspects of jazz were incorporated into the art music tradition by guys like ravel and others. jazz on its own is a fragmentary and artistically unsatisfying genre

You'll be old one day.

Yes. I'd say he does.

The "shitposting" often does carry either satirical meaning (that's really well done when you think about it), no bullshit philosophical points, or hints at the Author's psyche.

It's obvious that shitposting wasn't his intent if he took the time to formulate the elements from his earlier works into Naked Lunch in a way that would make certain themes coherent. And the way he talked about it all when interviewed sort of proves that he knew what he was doing.

>We had a thread about this "stretched his legs" was searched in a Kindle by some retard. But "he got up to stretch his legs" "let's stretch our legs" "its good to stretch the legs after a meal" and many other variants are used.

Are you sure about that? I saw that Bloom quote on here a while back and out of curiosity I found a pdf of the book and ctr+f'd "stretch". I could be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure that the only use of the word in the context that Bloom talks about was on the first page. It seemed to me like Bloom just read a the first chapter or so and jumped on the first clichéd phrase he came across to slot into an argument he'd already determined.

In music education, students are expected to "get their feet wet" with folk music before moving on to Western Art Music

>jazz on its own is fragmentary...

That's because trying to label everything as just "jazz" is as stupid as applying the broad brush label of "classical."

You have fun with your feigned intellectual superiority. I'll be over here enjoying the greatest album of all time if you need me.

no one cares

go back to /mu/ i heard they like shit music there.

>Getting this butthurt over the completely legitimate use of 'whilst'

Yanks...

You should care. Pretending to like literature while being disdainful toward all other forms of art is a sure sign of being a pseud.

I like real music not jazz.

Tell'em Theodor!

If you don't enjoy any jazz at all then you probably don't enjoy a higher level of complexity, skill and intention in your music.
I'm not a huge jazz fan but fucking hell, I'm not stupid enough to say that any genre is for pseudointellectuals.
You like a strong melody and more simple construction in music, but keep your ignorance to yourself.
I didn't enjoy reading Ulysses that much. The reason isn't that it's only enjoyed by pseudointellectuals. The reason is that I wasn't well read enough and didn't understand it enough to love it.

>all this projection

i love ulysses and i listen to classical music

you are a pseudointellectual who is trying to posture on an anonymous laotian cave painting imageboard by saying you can appreciate the "complexities" (kek) of jazz.

classical music is fucking gay

I don't overly appreciate the complexities of jazz. I'm just open-minded enough to know that some people genuinely do. I feel like you missed the point of the post.

What are some of your least favourite composers of classical music by the way? Or do you just pretend to like it all to feel smart?

The good composers of classical music are the only ones that anyone still listens to. If you don't like all of them to some extent, then you're idiosyncratically picky.

Also Tchaikovsky is overrated