Where can I learn about race from an unbiasedly perspective?

I doesn't. Culture effects intellect. Now fuck off back to /pol/.

SJWtard nazis begin to invade your thread to oppress your right to learn and dictate your thoughts with their weak buttmad memes. You got two choices, either ridicule them or simply ignore them.
now have a nice day OP :^)

op asked for an unbiased perspective. Holy shit, why is it impossible to discuss things like this without people assuming political intentions and getting emotional?

Their agenda is to slide and derail your thread with their SJW memes and mislabeling everything so you engage in their shitposting train rather than learning the info you need.

Simply ignore these retards and don't get sucked into their science hating stupidity.

Use google scholar and search for genetic traits, prefrontal cortex, IQ among races and whatever more you need. You'll definitely reach some useful papers on what you're looking for.

Yes that's what the consensus says on race/intellect. Essentially, given similar socioeconomic status and education, people of different races preform about the same on IQ/Act/Sat/gre

Biologically, there are some very slight, very minor differences in the capabilities of each race that for the vast majority of humans will not be truly limiting in what they're capable of in comparison to others.

Culturally however, most races are complete fucking shit. This is the part ruining the world.

Sure you can. Read the studies of James Watson. He is the person who discovered the DNA and pioneered it's research which gave him a nobel prize. His studies are purified from any political agenda and purely factual.

gnxp.com/blog/2007/10/james-watson-tells-inconvenient-truth_296.php

> given similar socioeconomic status and education, people of different races preform about the same on IQ/Act/Sat/gre

Why do you lie? What's the point?

>
>I doesn't. Culture effects intellect. Now fuck off back to /pol/.
Uh, even the into psych class at my liberal uni admits that intelligence is highly heritable. You fuck off back to /lgbt/

You sure showed me up I was wrong. Bet you feel like a big man don't you, big man with a big penis huh?

>Tells people to read his research about old school genetics.
>Links a blog post talking about informal opinions and commentary in the context of social science.
t. shitposters et al. (2016)

See what I mean ? Posts like this : are designed to derail the threads and make you engage with their science hating shitposting.

Use google scholar and search for genetic traits, prefrontal cortex, IQ among races and whatever more you need. You'll definitely reach some useful papers on what you're looking for.

Holy shit, why do black people suck at everything like that ?

>chart detailing a hypothesis from before modern genetics was a thing.

>social science studies

/pol/ is literally retarded.

>pol this pol that
ssshhh BLM is that way

Fuck off back to retard

I'm not the guy this moron is responding to but scholar.google is actually a good resource and there are some notes worth making about his claims.

>You'll only find biology papers (social science doesn't count) on races from early 2000s and before because that shit got BTFO as soon as people actually began to understand human genetics.
>Population genetics is actually worth reading up on but populations are not races and you should actually read and understand the methods section of the paper if you want to make inferences about it.
>Modern studies on stuff like IQ are studied in two different ways. One way is via shit tier social science papers where people are given a questionnaire that asks "what race do you feel like today? [ ] white [ ] black". These social science papers have nothing to do with genetics and approach race purely as a social construct (because it's social science, get it?). The other type of papers you'll find talking about stuff like IQ are molecular psychology papers. These papers do look at genetics but they don't look at races. Rather they come up with polygenic scores (a metric that looks at a lot of genes to give some score, often genome-wide polygenic scores are used as well) that guess some measurable characteristic (EduYears for instance measures education years). These papers are far more rigorous than the usual social science paper but they're still fairly limited in the sort of inferences you can make about them. As always read the methods section of the paper.

Is that what you BLM rapists resort to ?
stay in your jail

Mein Kampf is what you're looking for.

But in all seriousness, race doesn't exist. It is social construct, not a biological or scientific one.

Go back to /pol/

>intelligent parents probably value intelligence more and will want to pass that off to their children
How do people actually control for this effect and then claim it must be "muh genetics"?

Lmfao he asked for unbiased research, not the scientifically ignorant

Correlation is not causation dipshit

not to mention the huge cherry picking fallacy

Inheritable through nurture and nature are two very different things.

Nothing here actually draws a genetically causal link between intelligence and race. The closest is the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study but even that had multiple interpretations.

Actually they do. Typically using twin studies.

I haven't seen one refutation against this so far. Why do black people always suck at IQ, SAT, GPA, graduation rates and basically anything that requires intelligence ?

If their intelligence is the same as anybody elses, why can't they ever fix their shit ? Why were they living in tribes, spreading shamanism and HIV, eating dead animals organs thinking they have magical powers, constantly massacring each other over turf wars, enslaving and selling their own people while whites were building their cities and sicovering the world around them ? Why can't they overcome their low intelligence from creating a shitty culture world with no welfare or civility around them, even when they're left on their own ?

...

People envy whites this much ? wow I guess I hit the jackpot ;)

This thread went from bad to shitfest real quick

The easily domesticated animals in Europe made their advancement much faster.

At one point Europe was also tribes doing retarded shit but they quickly got out of that phase by advancing their economies with easily domesticated animals.

Fun enough, in the 21st century europeans themselves have become the domesticated animals for their black superiors, handing us the pussy they have hunted for us to crush while they masturbate their tiny spear in a corner.

So thank you white people, for building a liveable world and then giving it to us for free.

t. man of color who has taken the virginity of various young white women and then left them all so that you cucks can handle whatever shit becomes of them

It's cute when /pol/ attempts to brainwash Veeky Forums

>pol
>unbiased
Pick one

>constantly massacring each other over turf wars
Oh, the irony

> Where can I learn about race from an unbiasedly perspective?

You don't because it's like trying to learn about "time" from an unbiased perspective.

If you choose to pursue and invest into the truth about the topic, the core concepts behind it appears to be so far removed from the current public knowledge of it that you start to realize how nonsensical it is.

And no I'm not talking about "muh time is an illusion" meme bullshit either.

They have done all that.

Absolutely everyone originated in africa..

History of the Roman Empire and the down fall of western society from the start of Eastern European immigration into the US. Also try "we was kings nd shiiit even tho we use Ebonics an disrupt learning environments and are responsible for 70% of homicides in countries where we minorities n shit.

The social issues of race or genetic differences?
If social issues look into critical race theory, contemporary issue texts, any history book.
If you mean differences on a biological level, read into prehistory, human migration, anthro shit

thanks. interesting.

never said that. but people who dismiss discussions with stupid buzzwords are just as likely to be biased and emotional

>It is social construct, not a biological or scientific one
I keep hearing this. But is this true? I mean there are clearly at least phenotypical differences. You wouldnt say different dog breeds are just a social construct

funny, still no refutation. Only emotionally charged butthurt passive aggressiveness.

because it is a complex issue with thousands of variables, the answer to which is not simply "black people are dumb" as many keep insinuating

it is in part true, yes. the common conceptions of race are mostly socially constructed. an example is how we classify most races by skin color, when in fact the underlying biological reality shows us that the "subraces" of the human race are determined by several genetic traits. if we were to classify race based on who has the sickle cell gene (which is actually beneficial in some regards, in certain regions etc) then you would have light skinned and dark skinned people in the same race.

if im not mistaken, there are anywhere from 2-32 different races, depending on how you look at it biologically/genetically. also, i think theres a project trying to determine every genetic race trait that exists so as to determine the true number of races taking account of every trait, instead of focusing on one.

They are dumb regardless of the reasons. You trying to justify it shows your clear bias with zero scientific basis. Rest of us simply show you how bad they do compared to all other races.

one more thing. we don't say different dog breeds are a social construct because we haven't tried to use "dog race" as a means to marginalization/systemic oppression. there are no social power dynamics between us and dogs (save like, mans best friend etc). the reason we say our understanding of race is a social construct is bc we have constructed these ideas that cover up the biological reality and those ideas have very real consequences in the world, even though they may not be necessarily accurate or true at all

>They are dumb regardless of the reasons
Except some of them are obviously not dumb. You may want to check your own biases before accusing others.

you're a troll but, what is white supremacy for 500 points. when you hold down an entire group of people for centuries, and continue to shit on them to this day, of course they are going to "do bad" compared to others (white people). the fact that you condemn them for what an oppressive group did to them in the first place is, frankly, stupid.

Well the term race would mean they can't breed with other races, but we can. Correct terminology is subspecies.

everyone in this thread should read this

discovermagazine.com/1994/nov/racewithoutcolor444

Some of them are not. But the minority among them don't define their norm
I'm not white you imbecile. Aren't you tired of being constantly wrong ?

yea. that too. thanks

i didn't say you were white. also good argument. you dropped every point i made. ill take this reply as a concession.

Yeah, sure. But people could explain this correlation instead of getting pissy

you should already understand this shit desu

Your points aren't close to being accurate. nobody is held down. If your argument made sense Africa would have developed just as good as anywhere else in that time, but they were living in huts, destroying their environment and massacring each other over nothing.

There are too many variables to say definitively what it is. You can point to economic circumstances (less money->worse education->lower perceived intelligence) or environmental variables like lead concentration in the blood (higher in African Americans than other American ethnicities) but in the end, no one here has enough expertise to make a definitive statement so people just default to whatever supports their worldview.

you just proved me even more right. do you know any history at all? like, at all? about africa? africa has been fucked by white people for a long fucking time. you just gave literally the best example of my argument

>depending on how you look at it biologically/genetically
Oh sure. This is really a thing troughout biology/taxonomy. Still dont see how it is a social construct, tho

>race" as a means to marginalization/systemic oppression
Thats what I always figured. People want to avoid the term "race" when it comes to humans, because it is politically/historically charged. But I dont think it is a good idea to dismiss the concept entirely, just to not hurt any feelings. I dont think we have to lie or use euphemisms all the time in order to feel connected.

Why do asians do so good then compared to others (white people)?

Slave mentality and pushy parents.

because those people actually give a fuck about learning and have rigorous highschool programs unlike the us which is full of snobby privileged brats that give no fucks about learning but instead go to college to enter the workforce and be wage slaves. tl;dr culture, get some faggot

when we say its a social construct we dont mean that it is purely a social construct. its both. some of our understandings of race are for the most part socially constructed, others are empirically know. if everyone understood race in terms of genetics and biology there would be no racism. thats why its socially constructed.

How could they be fucked completely by evil white people if they had the same potential to develop? I mean. as the first white people came, they were already less developed

No, not really. Since nobody seems to be able to answer simple question, I have to assume I am not the only one who isnt sure about these things.

I agree. I understand, that it ultimately boils down to "Why are they poor?" or "Why are they not as educated?"

>enough expertise to make a definitive statement so people just default to whatever supports their worldview
yeah. At least, thats what mostly happens

less developed according to whom? do you have any idea what cultural evolution is? how far we've advanced our understandings of different cultures? the stage of "development" of a culture is determined by how well they adapt to their environment. if you look at the westernized world, we aren't adapting to shit, we're driving ourselves into the ground.

and again, how are you not getting this. they had the same potential but have been and continue to be fucked. thus eliminating that potential.

microwaves and rockets are not the only fucking thing that is important in this world. there are over 6000 languages being spoken today, only half are being taught. each one of those languages encodes an entire set of knowledge about all aspects of the world. we are systematically erasing that wisdom.

So, you can be succesfull through your own strength despite being a minority and oppressed in the past. So the whole "its not black peoples fault for doing bad in relation to other groups" seems like bullshit and intrinsically racist

>defending niggers

They should be killed everyone one.

"in the past" -- what? white supremacy is still a thing. it's just more covert, and you are a prime example of why.

also the example you gave is in no way racist. you are thinking on a surface level.

Well that makes it horribly misleading to say "race is just a social construct". Just there are common misconceptions and people attribute things to rce, that should be attributed to culture doesnt make the concept of race entirely social

It's not just white supremacy anymore, it's general racial supremacy (mostly against black people). The Chinese and Arabs are pretty bad for it too.

yea, "race is just a social construct" is not accurate.

but also not all sociocultural understandings of race are necessarily "misconceptions" but i get what you're saying

true, but even those people are affected by white supremacy

>less developed according to whom?
Ok, lets not get into a semantic argument here. Less developed in terms of technology and culture.

>but have been and continue to be fucked
Yeah, now read my post again. If people could fuck them so easy, they were clearly at a disadvantage to begin with. Why?

>microwaves and rockets are not the only fucking thing that is important in this world
no. but what has this to do with anything?

>ach one of those languages encodes an entire set of knowledge about all aspects of the world
I'm not sure you know how language works. If I could describe an apple in all languages of the world, my knowledge about the apple wouldnt change because of this. and again, why do you bring this up?

>white supremacy is still a thing
oh boy. It doesnt play a big role. Black people have the same rights as everybody else
And yes, people who truely believe that black people are just held down by evil whites are racist.
And if "white supremacy" is such a big factor, then again: why do asian people do just fine?

its not really semantic though. how people adapt to the environment is technology and culture, so my point still stands

well, language isn't just words used to describe objects. it's a lot more complicated than that as im sure you know. it is literally everything.

have you ever heard of wade davis? he's a very prominent ethnobotanist. one of the first i think, he was a pioneer. he lived with an amazonian tribe for a while and saw that they were making dmt out of a certain combination of plants among literally thousands upon thousands of plant species surrounding them. he, as a pioneer of ethnobotany, a harvard graduate, could not see the botanical connections between the plants that could produce dmt. they said "we thought you knew about plants." he asked them how they knew and they said " the plants speak to us."

this is my way of explaining to you that our uses of tech/science are not the only ways of constructing models of the world, and that cultural evolution is largely relative

uh, yes it does. just because a piece of paper says some shit doesn't actually mean anything. how can you even say that poc are viewed the same as white people.

you can't be racist against white people. you're confusing racism with racial prejudice. as a white person, even if you call a black person a nigger, you're still never going to get turned down a job because you're name sounds black. there is more to racism than just thinking a race is inferior. most of racism is unconscious social understandings/behaviours. most of racism is in sociocultural power dynamics, not worldviews.

and asians may do better than some other races, but they are still severely oppressed, mostly by whites. this is most likely because they are lighter skinned, and thus can pass as white. this is called colorism.

Stop trying /pol/.

I'm just as right wing as you OP, however I come to Veeky Forums to talk about math and science. Not /pol/ things.

>how people adapt to the environment is technology and culture
Yeah and I brought up semantics related to "less developed". I am pretty sure one can judge this to a certain degree objectively, based on the complexity and effectiveness of the technology and cultural interaction. This is not about how noble, good, peaceful are good to the environment a culture is.

>that our uses of tech/science are not the only ways of constructing models of the world
Ah, Ok sure. I misunderstood you then. Yeah, most of the time an experienced, well equipped scientist wont beat a local when it comes to certain things

>literally SJW arguments
I refuse to believe you are not trolling

>everything africans done is actually ebil white reptilians fault
The most obnoxious, spoiled and retarded argument in history. congrats

>you are wrong because my alt-right internet friends mock your views
not an argument

because the sample used for the Chinese is the upper middle class that score much higher than the peasants. The samples used in Europe cover all classes of society. The real East Asian average IQ is about 100.

Nobody likes black people. And this won't change unless black people change.

2/10

nice try

every single thing under nature exists as part of a spectrum within a set; a set of numbers, a set of colors; do you ever see a rainbow missing colors?; human "differences" reflect this; skip over any number as you count from 0 to 9 and you've counted incorrectly; nature doesn't skip numbers or leave anything out; every possibility is entertained given enough time; and there is infinite time.

*me and my angry internet friends don't like black people
ftfy

I meant in the same country (US)

>you can't be racist against white people
>evul white people
0/10

*me and my white genocide loving friends like black people
And nobody else loves primitive, racist, sexist, HIV spreading, gangster, rapist, ebola people. Only diseased minds like you do.

okay. refuse to educate yourself. stay stupid