Reminder he didnt start with the greeks

>He probably did fuck a hooker, when he was in university he tried hedonism to fill the void the death of god left in him for awhile. Didn't work obviously. Funny story one of his friends told was the first time they visited a whorehouse with Friedrich he was made so nervous by the whole situation that instead of taking a girl he sat down on the piano and played all night.
there's lots of stories of him being too nice to the hookers to get into their pants. i always imagined him like archie in catch-22 without the killing the maid in lime panties aspect obvi

Nietzsche was just at that unfortunate spot where he easily sets off a woman's crazy detector without being manly enough to activate her 'BREED ME YOU BAD BOY REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE' subroutine.

>Drinking was also quite different in Greece than in Germany. In ancient Greece people would get absolutely shitfaced at parties on what was basically concentrated wine but it wasn't a serial affair like it was in Germany where everyone was constantly buzzed through the middle ages due to drinking alcohol to avoid waterborne illness.
It should be noted also that in Greece the wine was diluted at those parties, and got stronger as the night went on. Most respectable Athenians left after the third drink, when you would be barely buzzed, but those who didn't care about their reputation, furniture or friends would stay past the fourth or fifth to get to the actual party which rarely got to the full ten drinks. Nobody respectable would want to talk to you if you'd ever been to a ten drink party, and even a four drink party was pushing it.

There's also a social taboo against getting too good at any of the games played at wine parties, because you could be assumed to be homo if you were too good at wine throwing since the fourth cup was often a toast to manboylove.

nah, he was just a romantic soul :3 if they'd had cuddling hookers back then like they have now, he would have been fine.

"Le ancient Greeks were so smart, we should study them guys! Plato was wrong in allegory of a cave in thinking they were dumb plebs we should read these things still guys, its historicity

>tfw you only drink ~1/2 oz of concentrated liquor via watered-down wine cuz its hella rude, brb gotta wake up early to watch Gladiators kill themselves via starved lions for our amusement whilst we lol at how edgy Diogenes is cuz he spat in that guys face cuz he said please dont spit on my home's rug bro... HAHAHA GREECE NUMBER I. GREECE NUMBER I.

is there anything in your head besides memes?

wow that's two people you can name you got wrong by being a shallow reader, and one person you can't name you also sperged out over. it's not even like there's that much diogenes to get wrong. truly, you have a talent.

A talent for the deep end.

Not words, concepts, and ideas that have been better elaborated upon by ancient Greek philologists, such as Nietzsche.

The past literally (not book Veeky Forumserally) doesnt exist. It has passed. They have very little to teach the successive generations.

>tfw youre Plato and making Socrates say that we're gonna delete these poems from our history for the newer, better Republic

^tf this nigga talkin about?

a talent for not even reading small collections of anecdotes through. oh well, harmony needs low and high, and you'll suffice for one.

> Don't be Dionysian in ways I don't like!
> Let ME impose the limits on the Dionysian

he was a hack

>implying he didnt go crazy because he did start with them and took the thing to its last consequences

reminder that if you go too far into the mind you'll die.

>Egypt had Kek/Kuk.
No fucking way.

>Greeks
>Gladiators

Source? That's fascinating.

xenosystems.net/kek/

He was a bad motherfucker indeed

>the female form of the word Kuk
>tfw when kuk is swedish for cock

Euboulos, fragments of a play either called Semele or Dionysos, for the number of drinks. [There's some evidence from Plato that Aristophanes' son produced some of his plays, so he's right in the middle comedy stage when culture was cemented]

The fourth cup is translated differently by different translators ["outrage"; "violence"; "bad behaviour"] as are the other stages, but you can see in the original pic related that it says hubris [line 7, the word marked for the first footnote because it's the longer Attic form of the word], which carries the manboylove connotation.

[Note: what hubris is depends on interpretation, but it is usually the social and legal shame, and lack of eligibility for citizenship, given to boys who submitted to anal sex, thus feminizing themselves. Aristotle claims the shame of the boy reflects on the man who penetrated him also, but usually it was only the submissive partner who was declared illegitimate for citizenship. It could be charged at any time against a citizen/potential citizen; see Against Timarchos for a famous case where decades later a lawyer was stripped of citizenship for youthful prostitution]

The social taboo against getting too good at wine games crops up all over the place [Dionysos often is scolded for it in plays] but Diogenes telling off a youth for being too good at a wine throwing game:
>To a youth playing kottabos in the baths, "The better you are, the worse you are"
[Diogenes Laertius, 6.46; G401]
and the implication of shame from having been at a rowdy party being conferred on youths here
> One day he made his way with head half shaven into a party of young revellers, as Metrocles relates in his Anecdotes, and was roughly handled by them. Afterwards he entered on a tablet the names of those who had struck him and went about with the tablet hung round his neck, till he had covered them with ridicule and brought universal blame and discredit upon them.
[DL 6.33;G412]
are two of the clearest and most popular examples of the taboo on spending too long at parties.

Anecdotes about Diogenes usually stress that Diogenes was not prone to picking up "young beets" or homosexual behaviour so his otherwise Spartan [read: dirty] appearance was not taken as a preference for anal, as it usually would be.

Socrates is accused of the same kind of Spartanism, which carries the implication that he did like little boys.

Diogenes probably has so many anecdotes about breaking up wine parties, and telling boys when he gets hard wrestling he really doesn't want to fuck them, and saying that by wearing perfume or valuing their looks men make women of themselves, because otherwise he would be interpreted as gay like Socrates.
[Not that the Greeks had the same concept of gay, but without these anecdotes Diogenes would probably read as a Spartan faggot to Athenians and he was probably aware of that as were the future generations who wrote the anecdotes]

Socrates was down with the boipussy though, Plato starts Protagoras by describing Socrates lusting over Alcibiades and Symposium contains homolust between them as well.

basic swedish cucks

Anal penetration is not the same as that tho. The Greeks were all about intercrural (between the thighs) sex.

>You find a Dionysus in every ancient mythology
Thing is Dionysius may well have been an external cult/religion that found its way into the Greek and Roman pantheons. I quite like this idea since he don't really fit in all too well.

kek, no. There's a difference between wooing a young man (totally straight according to Greeks, almost a social duty) and fucking him in the ass (totally gay for the submissive, so gay it's trans)

In Protagoras, Alcibiades is said to have grown his first beard and Socrates is said to be pursuing him previously, but now has more important things on his mind.

In Symposium, Alcibiades says that Socrates was only pretending to be interested in boys, since they didn't consummate it like he wanted to, and that instead of manboylove, now all he's getting is the love of knowledge.

While that would be gay now, it wasn't then, and romancing younger men was perfectly fine up until the moment you stuck it in the pooper.

There is a chance that Plato is protecting Socrates by saying that Socrates was following the normal leading out pattern of praising a youth for beauty and coming on to him in order to bring him up as a good citizen, because, while Alcibiades is treading close to the line of being a whore, Socrates doesn't make him one.

If there had been any actual boypussy in either dialogue, they'd both be out of Athens much sooner.

However, Socrates is attacked by others in ways that do imply he put it in, notably that he's close to a Spartan, which was always a good way of discrediting someone in Attica, because it means he likes to create hubris in others and you shouldn't leave your kids near him. [Spartans were rumoured to be unsure what to do with their wives until they were dressed in boy clothes because the Spartans invented Greek manboylove]

This is also why in part Socrates denies teaching Alcibiades or anyone else in his defense, because that would be a train wreck of hubris cases even if he never charged for a lesson and could prove it.

There's other evidence as well that Socrates wasn't so interested in knowledge before boipussy, as Plato claims, such as his relationships with other students [Lucian famously mocks him centuries later, during the Second Sophistic in his Dialogues of the Dead, with his other young lovers, and other tells of being homo like liking pretty sandals too much, and doesn't rely on his relationship with Alcibiades, who Lucian probably viewed as too old to be scandal] and his wife's reaction to Alcibiades bringing him homemade cake. Plato's portrayal of Aristophanes in Symposium is also probably not what happened, considering Aristophanes work, so that Alcibiades is complaining he didn't get fucked might just be Plato's wishful thinking.

Persian faggotry (such as wearing perfume, or make up, or imported clothes) was slightly more excusable in Athens for men, even though it hinted at faggotry and treason, than being accused of Spartan faggotry, which implies actual sex between men and total effeminacy for one partner. Most youths traded on their beauty like Alcibiades, but if Alcibiades had been dirty instead of well groomed, Spartan more than Persian, they wouldn't have needed the statues story.

Well if you're going to get genealogical about it every god comes from somewhere. Athena was probably a goddess of the indigenous people of Greece before the Indo-European Greeks conquered them. Zeus/Thor/Perun was probably inspired somewhere out on the Eurasian steppe by a lightning storm striking down some guy or something everyone hated. Or loved.

The point is that there's a hunger for what a Dionysus figure offers. A denial of separation, the offer of melting into a roiling sea of humanity, of bliss/despair and ultimately of existence.

lmao he got a phd at 24 because he was hella good at greek

Fucking a, thanks. I do Greek political theory and could use more research into the cultural context of Plato, Thucydides, et al., rather than just focusing on the primary texts. I'll look into this.

>A denial of separation

Ironically he was cut into pieces, same as Osiris

>hasn't read The Birth of Tragedy
>literally can't even shitpost

just posting this photo
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Yes he fucking did. He was a god damned philologist to begin with and he had a hardon for Heraclitus.

Be warned if you do look up against Timarchos, it is like a five hour speech or something.

Aeschines was about to be accused of taking bribes from the Macedonians, and Timarchos was likely to be his accuser in court, so Aeschines preempted him by doing a full Daily Mail on him and accusing him of hubris.

After Timarchos was convicted, the next person to attack him was Demosthenes who wrote On the False Embassy for him Aeschines responded by writing a speech against Demosthenes called On the False Embassy.
No that's not a typo, Aeschines just that much of a dick he responded with the same title. Great for political theory though

O it shows.

ree, salome and nietzsche. nude?
that's a fake picture, isn't it?