Books women will never understand

>books women will never understand

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Or anything Greek,

or anything difficult really

Simone Weil wrote a great essay on the Iliad

>typical woman while reading iliad
>WOW Achilles is a real asshole damn
>wtf what did Helen do wrong why can't menelaus just let her go lol

Literally fucking who?

Anyway, I love how you're only argument is

>muh wumman wrote a muh intellectual muh essay

Kek, consider yourself btfod.

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>muh irony
>muh x+y = x
>muh y-youre just shitposting

Kek, consider yourself btfod.

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new word: smeld: (noun aubergine bird): wen u poop on wen u poop ur own face and it smeld

>typical man while reading Iliad
>this is boring
>fuck it, let's watch some capeshit instead

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Books women will never understand : most books before 1945
Books men will never understand : most books after 1945

this post smeld

my diary desu

This is true

I am working on collecting bros that I can throw javelin and recite poetry with under the sun

>books men will never understand

Reminder lesbian love is the purest, most beautiful love and you will NEVER experience it.

love is jew shit

nah, read lacan

its female grooming, not even sex

that's good because sex is for perverts

Most modern men won't truly appreciate either. We've lost our fraternal warrior roots.

The Iliad is just ancient gangster rap. It sucks.

WTF!?! thought Veeky Forums was redpilled . . . .

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>implying lacan is right about anything
>psychoanalysis
lmaooooooooooooooo

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prepare to cringe

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>youtube links
back to

Mr. Monaghanil y a 2 mois
I give you props I read a dozen pages and wanted to burn it lol where u from?
RĂ©pondre

absolute madman

youtube.com/watch?v=AInfL9PiGHI
listen to this, not sure where the remark is, somewhere in the middle

Fucking true enough.

>omg he's so weird
>what's wrong with him
>why is he so mean to women

even I don't understand this
Marcus is a deeply boring man

42 mins

a lot of pynchon's stuff

and houellebecq

Could you explain why?

If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand the explanation either, honey ;)

I think women could easily relate to Holden's Blithe solipsism and puerile idealism

Oh man, let me tell you, it's the shit. I have a couple of active literary bros. We like to go cycling, hiking or practice archery while discussing philosophy and literature. It really is the best possible kind of friendship.

>I didn't understand it so it is bad

Yep, this is definitely a woman reviewer. I think at the very least a man would recuse himself here.

but those are just reactions to his sexual frustration

I hope this is bait

Whatever you say, Harold

but my name isn't Harold?

FUck off Ackley

One of my favorite scholarly writers in regards to analysis and interpretation of Greek Mythology is a woman, Jenny Strauss Clay.

Greek Mythology is as much about women as it is about men

sure, women are the commodities men trade in it, so you might say they are almost equally represented since men can't exist without subjugating women

Odyssey>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Illiad

>I will never be a young maiden who is growing curious about my burgeoning sexuality while wandering my mothers gardens, where I catch the eye of Artemis in the midst of a hunt, who then leads me into the wild woods ensaring me with desire and excitement, where she gives me my first taste of sexual exploration in a hidden spring home of forest nymphs.
>I will never return home to my families estate, not as the inexperienced girl I once was, but as a radiant and beautiful young woman who will one day stand as the powerful Lady of my house who's vision guides the activities of my servants and imbues my home with a lively spirit of warmth and culture
>I will never grow into a respected and admired matriarch who seduces the young beautiful maidens of my estate's grounds while my husband is off in foreign lands campaigning

Illiad>Odyssey

Pretty much anything by pic related.

Most of the heroes of Greek Myth are written to be on a quest to atone for the atrocities a man had committed against a woman and earn atonement in the eyes of their Goddesses. Most are guided and assisted in their times of greatest need by a Priestess of these Goddesses, who are written as true, worthy companions of the hero.

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>not knowing who Simone Weil is
>boasting about it
literally end your life my friend

I don't actually support that kind of worldview, it's just a slightly cheeky reading of Homer

met JSC once, she's awesome. Leo would be proud.

Alright, sorry, mistook you for a secondary source there Sigmund.

it's actually sigismund schlomo

I'd love to meet her. I've bought so many of her books and I've never even been to college. What she does is my dream job. I've always felt that Jenny in a way understood her relationship with her father as a sort of Athena/Zeus dynamic.

It's a pretty big misconception that the Greeks didn't value women, or have great women throughout their society. Of course they did not value ALL women, just based on the fact that they were women, but the expression of femininity and particular women were held in high regard.

men valuing women for what they see as desirable isn't actually equality and most non-divine women in Homer are treated as lesser voices, hags or cattle though, but sure, point taken

>Books men will never understand : most books after 1945

Why's that, friend?

This isn't true at all though user. Women in higher ordered Greek societies were valued by men as intellectual peers, as women who challenged their men in regards to their beliefs and perceptions of life. It was not uncommon for a man to not only value a woman as a passionate lover, but as a source of stimulating intellectual conversation and as a genuine friend and companion.

There are great women throughout all of Greek mythology, and I don't mean great in some sanitized, sentimental sense. These women had just as many failings as men, they were just larger than life figures who stood individuated not only from other women, other people in general.

Sean Connery's not even an author, family.

>Penelope

Jason and Medea, Meleager and Atalanta, Theseus and Ariadne are all prime examples of the principle hero of a myth, who is on a quest at the behest of a Goddess to atone for a past crime against them at the hands of a God or men, who are aided in their quest by a great woman who acts as a Priestess of their Goddess and is admired and respected by the hero as a woman they have to prove themselves worthy of, not someone lesser than them.

Came here to post this.

what isn't true at all? valuing women for the expression of femininity (of your choice) might make you someone that frequents strip clubs, not exactly a hot bed of equality.
as for women in Homer, I do think that's true, these great women in Greek mythology are atleast seriously outnumbered by the great male heroes (since I can't remember every female character I'll grant you that there are some), especially the non-divine ones.
I don't think there are many instances of stories that are inverted (to my knowledge), i.e of a female protagonist valuing the company of men to intellectually stimulate her etc., which would probably be a good measure of something closer to equality, this might be explained by complimentary gender roles (difficult), but I think you're somewhat overarguing your case here
I also think that you're not making enough of a distinction between divine and mortal women
I don't know as much about greek mythology as you do, so I'm only speaking about Homer in the specific sense and antiquity in a larger, non-specific sense.

>someone locked in a room while her wealth is being destroyed by men and her male child is off to save her so her man can return after being the center of the story and restore order while she can't fight off the suitors and cease control of her house herself
ok

>these great women in Greek mythology
meant to say Homer

I actually asked her how was he as a father, and you're quite right. He used to read them a lot (she mentioned Greek and German classics, and Macaulay), and "laughter. There was always a lot a laughter."

Also, if you ever want to work in classics, you definitely need at least college, ideally PhD. I've been learning Greek for 2 years at a uni with a great classics program, and the sheer amount of stuff they force classics students to learn (both linguistic and textual) is impossible to learn otherwise (it would take inhuman capacity of self-discipline, at least for me).

The expression of femininity is not wholly encompassed by sexuality. The feminine aspect of the psyche is the realm of wisdom, of intuitive emotionality, creative artistic expression, passionate romance and the living spirit of one's home and country, the breath of life in the chests of all who live within it's presence. I'm not talking about modern conceptions of modern egalitarianism, I'm talking about the health of womanhood and femininity within their society.

Through the archetypes of the Olympian Goddesses, the Greek men cultivated a varied and expansive understanding not only of the psyches of women, but of the feminine aspects of their own psyches. The expression of women in their writings ranged from domestic mothers to warrior queens, from devoted daughters to insubordinate rebels.

I like mastodon

>The feminine aspect of the psyche is the realm of wisdom
if this is true... why are women so DUMB? lmao

In regards to this sense of inversion, Atalanta displays this quality, as she looks to men to challenge her athletically and values their company as companions and competitors in sport and hunting, and their support and competition with her in great gatherings of heroes such as the Olympics and the Calydonian Boar Hunt.

Also, I find it strange that you consider Penelope's fervent loyalty to her husband and the courage and ambition of her son as negative traits, when these are two of the reasons she is regarded as great woman. You're trying to make her faithfulness and fortitude out as weaknesses.

Even the ancient Greeks agree he's a dick

Archetypal conceptions of masculinity and femininity are beyond any individual man or woman. We each have a masculine and feminine aspect of our psyche. The masculine is the realm of knowledge, form, authority and order, and the feminine is the realm of wisdom, spirituality, intuition and creativity.

damn...

He's a tragic figure who experiences an inner pain just a great as the pain he inflicted outwardly in the world. Everything he did is understandable within the context of his nature.

I THINK THAT SOMEONE IS TRYING TO KILL ME

that makes me laugh everytime.
lol mastodon

I agree, I've been trying to learn Koine Greek from various books by myself, but it's extremely difficult, and I turn to escapism so easily. I'd like to back to school, but I'm just not interested in acquiring so much debt

after the Veeky Forums part the combination of hiking and cycling makes me mad jelly. If i had that plus climbing buddy i'd be in heaven.

>Greek Mythology is as much about women as it is about men

I read the same thing about The Trojan Women and I agree. it's great play but it made me sad, out of all of the work I've read by Euripides it hit me the hardest.

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The way I see things, the soul of a person and the soul of a nation is not healthy if the conception of the masculine and the feminine are not unified, standing hand in hand as something more than what they are as understood apart from one another. Men and women are meant to complete one another spiritually, emotionally and intellectually. A society that views women as inferior and subjugates them reflects the poor spiritual health of it's people, where a healthy society will be brimming with passionate, idealistic women who emanate the spirit and glory of their people. One of the greatest expressions of healthy masculinity within men is the structure of their civilization allowing for women to arise as Queens in their homes and in their nation who carry within themselves the authority and ideals of their society.

>Men and women are meant to complete one another spiritually, emotionally and intellectually.

i'm mad gay, not sure what to say here.

I suppose my thinking could be considered hetero normative, as it asserts the notions that the form of psychological and spiritual completion is the form of a married man and woman, the marriage of the masculine and the feminine as one.

It wouldn't be a proper Greek tragedy without horrific suffering and misery.

Cassandra is among my favorite women within Greek mythology. Her curse is so cruel, to know how all the horrors that will take place around her will unfold while all of her efforts to avoid them are doomed to fail against the currents of fate that are already in motion. She is left to descend into insanity as she watches her family and her home walk into a destruction she saw from the beginning.

Bad post

Sure Penelope had a hard life at the hands of men, but Odysseus was having a hard life at the hands of women at the same time. She was shown to have virtue, honor and cunning, all positive traits.

How do I increase my attention span? I'm trying to read more, but I always stop reading after half an hour. Any tricks you guys use?

when i start to do something else i stop doing that thing and start reading again

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Sappho was a filthy niggeress. Her poetry is pretty awful too. The only two reasons it is revered are:
1. It is lesbian poetry.
2. It is fragmentary and thus in an awful and incomplete condition, which seems to give postmodernists a boner. It gave Pound a throbbing boner, for sure.

I'm much more concentrated after I jack off for some reason.

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It's kind of funny that of all boards Veeky Forums is mysogynistic. If anything the most capable readers I know are all women. With that said, the biggest poseurs are females as well, but that's your fault for hanging around the wrong people.

Yeah, it doesn't work if you don't stab him

>Reminder lesbian love is the purest, most beautiful love and you will NEVER experience it.
That fuckin feel when

Irene de Jong disagrees. Her commentary on Book 22 fucking insane, one of the best I've read. Stop being so edgy.