>omg all your magical mystical relationships are entirely arbitrary and have no true meaning
back to /x/ with you now. go on...
Cooper Bailey
Yes. It appears to be an uncanny coincidence because it is a coincidence. See
James White
>reducing products to a single decimal digit through arbitrary operations >10% chance to match up >uncanny coincidence
>Also, are there tricks to using this relationship to make sums easier? No, but there are several formulas employing simple mathematical manipulations rather than fuckery to make sums easier, such as [eqn]1+2+3+...+n=\sum_{k=1}^nk=\frac{n(n+1)}{2}[/eqn]
Ayden King
is base 10 wrong or arbitrary? Are you saying base 12 mayan pictograms are better?
so what are the chances that 9 x 12 = 108 (1+0+8=9) and that other multiples of 9 yield the same digital root? Like 9x54 or 9x53.
Or that 3 makes up 1 number in base 10, numbers with 3 make up 19 of 100, and 271 of a 1000, the digital root coming to 1 in each case?
Dylan Bennett
wrong picture
Samuel Perry
>it seems to me that 14 and 13 should have nothing in relation with 5 and 4, and yet they do. The connection is that both pairs are congruent modulo 9, there is no coincidence. [math]13\equiv 4\text{ (mod } 9)[/math] [math]14\equiv 5\text{ (mod } 9)[/math] In general, in the decimal system, you can shuffle around the digits of any number and its value mod 9 will remain the same: [math]734\equiv 374\text{ (mod } 9)[/math] This is because 9 is one less than 10, which is used as the base of the decimal system.
Consider any decimal number with digits [math]d_0[/math] to [math]d_n[/math] [math]d_n ... d_1 d_0 = d_n\cdot 10^n+...+d_1\cdot 10^1 + d_0\cdot 10^0[/math] Since [math]10^k\equiv 1\text{ (mod } 9)[/math] for all k, [eqn]d_n ... d_1 d_0\equiv d_n\cdot 10^n+...+d_1\cdot 10^1 + d_0\cdot 10^0\equiv d_n+...+d_1+ d_0\text{ (mod } 9)[/eqn] When you are repeatedly adding up the digits of a number, you are doing exactly that, there is no magic about it. Numbers congruent mod 9 will produce the same digital root in the decimal system, and in general this is true only for numbers congruent mod (n-1) in a base n system.
Owen Kelly
I'm not a math wiz, but I hope this helps.
Aiden Jenkins
Random lurker here who was drawn to this thread because OP is batshit
What kind of education do you have? I see posts with this kind of technical knowledge of mathematics and it really blows me out of the water and makes me realise how awful I am at math.
Jaxon Green
Thanks. There's no way I will ever understand any of that, but at least I now know that someone has a scientific explanation.
Zachary White
looking at this closely makes me think my browser's javascript or hbcode is broken, that you're showing something that isn't coming through.
What if I was to say to you that:
[math]10^k\equiv 1\text{ (mod } 9)[/math] for all k should actually be 9^k and equiv 2, and not as you have got it confused here.
Jaxon Morales
To elaborate on your specific examples, and to put it more into plain language:
[math]14\equiv 5\text{ (mod } 9)[/math] is the common way to write the relation that [math]14 = 9k+5[/math] for some integer [math]k[/math]. In general, we write [math]a\equiv r \text{ (mod } n)[/math] to say that [math]a=nk+r[/math] where r is the remainder if you divide a by n into whole numbers, and k is the result (number of times n fits into a). 32 divided by 9 is 3, remainder 5, so we can say that [math]32 = 9\cdot 3+5[/math], or [math]32\equiv 5\text{ (mod } 9)[/math]. Intuitively, two numbers are congruent mod n if they are a multiple of n apart.
Naturally, this generates a number of "equivalence classes" that produce the same remainder when divided by the same number n. If n=9, for example, the numbers [math]\{...,-13,-4,5,14,23,...\}[/math] form one such class.
>5x14 = 70. 7+0 = 7. 5x5=25. 2+5=7. >4x130 = 520. 5+2+0=7. 4x4 = 16. 1+6 = 7. When you multiply two numbers with the same remainder mod 9, you get [math](9x + r)(9y + r)\equiv 81xy+9xr+9yr+r^2\equiv 9(9xy+xr+yr) + r^2\equiv r^2 \text{ (mod } 9)[/math] In the case of 5 and 14, [math]r^2\equiv 5^2\equiv 25\equiv 7 \text{ (mod } 9)[/math] In the case of 4 and 13, [math]r^2\equiv 4^2\equiv 16\equiv 7 \text{ (mod } 9)[/math]
This is very simple stuff you would probably learn in the first year. Math in general has a habit of looking intimidating to those who are not familiar with its ideas and notation. If you want to become better at math, it's important is not to give up because something beyond your reach looks too complicated, but to expand your knowledge step by step.
Hunter Reed
also, did you consider that 1+2+3+...=-1/12
Lucas Morris
based, well said
Chase Murphy
>[math]10^k\equiv 1 \text{ (mod } 9)[/math] for all k >should actually be 9^k and equiv 2, and not as you have got it confused here. I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but [math]10^k\equiv 1 \text{ (mod } 9)[/math] is definitely correct: [math]10^0\equiv 1 \text{ (mod } 9)[/math] trivially Given [math]10^k\equiv 1 \text{ (mod } 9)[/math], [math]10^{k+1}\equiv 10\cdot10^k\equiv(9+1)10^k \equiv 9\cdot 10^k+10^k\equiv 0+1\equiv 1 \text{ (mod } 9)[/math] thus by induction [math]10^k\equiv 1\text{ (mod } 9)[/math] for all integers [math]k\geq 0[/math].
Jaxon Sullivan
just testing.
say now, you seem on the ball about this stuff -- can you explain this post from the archive?:
I don't even understand the first part. 6-6 to me is 0.
I don't understand what you mean.
Isaiah Jenkins
>can you explain this post from the archive? All of it is horseshit. Dividing by (3-3) or (1-1) is dividing by 0. There is a good reason why division by 0 is undefined. Most of these "tricks" just try to sneak in an illegal operation somewhere.
32 divided by 9 is 3 and that puts us five spaces short of 32; or however you'd prefer to phrase it. Now what is cdot? '\' is divide?
Can't say that I find that this is as intuitive as you.
just curious but are any of these formulas arbitrary? if I made my my own formula called a 'spiral' using the @ symbol, whereby 6@ would mean to add (or substract) the 3 preceeding numbers of 6 to make 6, e.g 6@ is worked out as 5-3+2 = 6 and 4@ is 3+1 = 4 remainder 2. Oh and when there's an unused digit (like with 4@), it becomes a special number called a 'BS' number, so in fact [math] 4@ = 4 BS2 [/math] -- would this convolution be like any like part in your formula?
Noah Ortiz
Maybe there's something wrong with your browser, the post is supposed to look like this