Now I be cry

now I be cry

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Why do you cry? Was it a good book? Did pinecone make you feel?

yes he did. I thought it was good but not great, until the last transit. then he hit it out of the park. now I can't stop thinking about those lovable idiots.

Pynchons my fav writer for sure because my fav thing in books is goofs, gags, jokes and rambunctious behavior, and his books are full to the brim of it. Every novel is like one of those novelty snake cans, you open the book & POP you get a face fulla snakes and you fall back cackling. The mad mind, the crack genius, to do it! and then you think hmmm whats he gonna do next, this trickster, and you pick the book back up and BZZZZZZZZZZ you get a shock and Hahahahahah you've been pranked again by the old pynchmeister, that card. "Did that Pynch?" he says, laughing yukyukyukyuk. Watch him as he shoves a pair of plastic buck teeth right up into his mouth and displays em for you- left, right, center- "you like dese? Do i look handsome???" Pulls out a mirror. "Ah!" Hand to naughty mouth. And you're on your ass again laughing as he snaps his suspenders, exits stage right, and appears again hauling a huge golden gong.

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I thought it was a great book, I wish I'd read it before Gravity's Rainbow though.

>he says
>not "he sez"

0/10 trash

why before gravity's rainbow?

yeah it was awesome. it's my favorite of his now.

For a weird twisted way of making this my coherent thought. Which kind of sums up my experience of Pynchon.

You are very bad at discerning quality and should read more before you decide to offer your critical opinion.

Whatever the intellect that went into the construction of this fiction, it's still and always a joy to read. This is what, for me, differentiates Pynchon from his peers. He's fun, playful, cheeky, mischievous, sometimes even outrageous.

No, you. It's shit. I really wish he had actually created a work of genius so I could gush over him like you do, but unfortunately he misses that mark by a mile. You can simper all you want and try to devalue my thoughts, but it will never be any less irrelevant to the truth of his lackluster performance as an author in V.

>new post
>IP count remains the same

really makes you think

shut up who cares, it's time for some zany, goofy slapstick buffoonery!

Veeky Forums is a pro-Pynchon board. Take your pleb opinions elsewhere.

Are you the same loser who keep spamming the Cormac McCarthy memes?

Don't give a shit. You can suck a fat cock for all I care. Won't change V. being steamy hot shit. No, It's not even hot or steamy, it's cold fossilized dog shit stuck to the carpet of a trailer.

that's multiple users my friend

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You know man, you're not even arguing with him, you're just contradicting him.
>how's trump like hitler?
>ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
Try actually explaining your reasoning instead of saying "Well, if you don't know then I can't tell you."

not either of them but that post, actually none of their posts, are worth a detailed reply
pointing out that it's full of shit for the benefit of any other lurking newfags is all that's warranted
(that said obviously V. isn't near the quality of M&D in any single way)

I have only read tcol49
Do I read V. or M&D next, and why

But the point is, what makes M&D's quality so high compared to V's? In not asking this for the sake of argument or to be contrary, but out of genuine interest.

I also love Pynchon, because he's like me: intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor

>Are you the same loser who keep spamming the Cormac McCarthy memes?
actually I'm not even the guy spamming the pasta, I just find it genuinely funny in an autistic way so decided to help out

>what makes M&D's quality so high compared to V's?
the prose is much better controlled; it doesn't stretch itself into "the point is that there is no point"; the book does not overly rely on artificial structuring and (although it meanders at times, it's still Pynchon after all) has coherence; it is secure in the fact that plot is not at its core; the silliness is not approached with affected distance; there are feels.
All of this only makes sense when you look at when he wrote those books in time. You get an expert at the craft rather than a young dog madly running in every direction at the same time. Maybe some of the images in the more surreal passages of V. don't find as visually striking matches in M&D, but the latter doesn't lack in poetry

whichever you want, unless you're afraid of giving up on Pynchon if V. isn't fun enough in which case M&D first, unless you're afraid you can't handle both of his syntax and the archaic-flavored language yet in which case V or GR

His control over the story, I suppose. It's been a while since I read V., but I remember some parts of the book either sticking out, like he didn't think them through, while others seemed like he just went for the easiest symbolism so he could work on other parts.

On M&D, the control of the book's atmosphere and rhythm is uncanny.

never read any pinecone

where do i start? is

crying lot of 49
IV
M&D
GR

good?

also i started reading the first few pages of lot49 and found it p difficult guys should i put it down then re read it at another time?

Crying of Lot 49 is probably his easiest and most accessible, user. If you find it difficult, try reading it a lot slower than you usually would and don't let having to re-read sentences or passages frequently and thoroughly get you down - TCoL49 is his most accessible, but it's still pretty dense in terms of prose. Overall, it's a pretty funny, peculiar mystery that shouldn't be taken as seriously as the protagonist Oedipa Maas takes it.

Just take your time with it, my man. If it ever starts going over your head, feel free to bring it up for discussion here or wherever else people discuss literature. It's a great book and helps in establishing Pynchon's distinctive style as a writer (which he perfects in GR imo).

It's what happens when your mate dies. ;_______;

lmgtfy.com/?q=v by thomas pynchon review

You know, I was actually hoping that maybe for once user could give his honest personal feedback instead of relying on critics--smarter and more literate though may they be--to tell him how to feel/think about a book, but boy you sure convinced me via that link how wrong I was.

>I don't really want to read V it doesn't sound very interesting

Then you've been misled. It's fantastic.

>I want someone to spoonfeed me criticism that's already been said before because I'm too lazy to use Google

Gravity's Rainbow and V. were both better. M&D is fun, and probably the closest thing to vintage Pinecone he put out post GR, but it's never quite reaches the highs or lows of those two.

See, that's subjective though. Having more control over the events creates a greater sense of cohesion, but there's a certain intensity you can only get from allowing it to run its own course.

Letting Dionysus take the helm is a risky proposition, but the results have the potential to be far more sublime than they'd be if you just painted by the numbers according to a design the entire time.

I don't get this pinecone nickname. It's not Pine-chon, it's Pin-chon. Where is this "pine" coming from?

>the closest thing to vintage Pinecone he put out post GR

I'm confused, user. GR was his third published work. The vast majority of his output is post-GR. Is vintage Pinecone just V. and Lot 49, or are you referring to his smaller things written when he was younger?

We will never know the true meaning of P.

Serious question for you anons: what does it take for a person to write fiction like Pynchon?

The structures are always so complex, he has such an encyclopedic knowledge of so many subjects. And to balance it out, even on a sentence-by-sentence level he can write gorgeously.

So what does he have that most people don't? Is it just an obscenely good sense of creative vision that allows him to perfectly lay out something as massive in scope as Gravity's Rainbow (while simultaneously working on other projects)? Is it a preternatural grasp of symbolism and meaning, such that he can sit down to write the Crying of Lot 49 and already be fully aware of how much meaning he managed to pack in?

I get that he's probably a "genius" in the actual, literal sense of the word. But what, specifically, do you think allows him to do what he does?

"Vintage Pynchon" is just one of those ways some people will have of referring to those of his works closer to the style of the GR writer. The same way "Pynchon lite" refers to IV, Vineland etc. Don't try to find a logic in the term, some would call AtD "vintage" too.

In that case, speaking as someone who's only read V., Lot 49, GR, and M&D, how did his style change? I've heard the other stuff isn't quite as good, but never for a unified set of reasons.

He's very distractable

hard work, good research, crazy writing talent

maybe a natural tendency to link wildly different things with eachother

barring atd, the rest is not as complex, both on a sentence level and a novel level. that is what the lite refers to. doesn't make them worse works inherently

It's not so much about his style changing over the years (though it has in other ways) as between books. The sort of prose that you're familiar with in GR, drifting, flying, all that... it isn't there in his lighter books (Inherent Vice for instance is almost only dialogue, Bleeding Edge has more narration and his quirks are still there but it's written in a more straightforward manner, etc.)
To explain this, imagine, roughly, that he works on two books at the same time: the hard book, researched, obsessive and poetic prose..., and his thriller or detective novel, effortless in comparison.

He has a proclivity for language that very very very few men do. But I'm thankful he chose to write stories (similar to how I'm thankful Flannery O'Connor chose to write) because we would be missing out on a lot if he hadn't.

Faulkner once said that if he hadn't written his books, someone else would have. And I often find it hard to believe the same case for Pynchon.

V., Lot 49, and GR are "vintage". Everything from Vineland and on isn't though M&D comes close and some say AtD does as well, though this is debated.

>Faulkner once said that if he hadn't written his books, someone else would have. And I often find it hard to believe the same case for Pynchon.

That's a very good way to put it.

thanks a lot mate, was thinking about giving it up altogether it just didnt feel right

gonna start it again tomorrow and will be sure to ask any questions

have you read all his work? how would you rank them?

super rare pic for you lads

shhh

Thanks

I've not read all his work, no. I've read TCoL49, GR and I plan on reading M&D and V later this year. He can be a pretty dense writer, packing so much into only a few pages, but if you take TCoL49 fairly slowly, you'll manage to pick up on everything, really.

start with Inherent Vice, if not, start wherever the fuck you want, you scaredy-cat

Not as rare as I expected.

do a lot of drugs and know about a bunch of science stuff

Don't forget to read Against the Day. It's his second most underrated novel next to Vineland.

>that's multiple users
Not sure if newfag or just oblivious.

He's probably autistic, not in the Veeky Forums sense but in the literal sense. A high funcntional autistic, though.

>To explain this, imagine, roughly, that he works on two books at the same time: the hard book, researched, obsessive and poetic prose..., and his thriller or detective novel, effortless in comparison.
Does that mean we are due for a Pynchon opus next?

>He's probably autistic

I very much doubt it.

Becuase you are autistic.

You're too young to be on Veeky Forums.

no its actually multiple people because I'm the one that made the video that your thinking of. I made that video because people make fun of McCarthy all the time and it was the flavor of the week lel