Anyone wanna discuss it? I was at /tv/ recently and had myself goaded into discussing the merits of Gandalf's character. As it turned out, I have some rather negative things to same about the guy.
I wouldn't mind some discussion on this, because I used to really like that character, before I started digging into it.
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Gandalf should have been portrayed as a villain. He isn't fighting for what is right- an extremely nebulous notion given the greater story-line- he's fighting an old foe from many wars before, a foe that was once his brother. Gandalf is playing every side to get what he wants. Lee's character is just doing what he always did, trying to maintain the old way of things. That old way being what happened after the really big wars decided things, a thousand years at least before. Gandalf is a loose cannon. He invented the Time of Men just to undermine his old adversaries.
Well, I guess nobody cares about children's literature here.
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Have you read The Silmarillion? Gandalf is old school, man. He's seen literally everything happen in that world, he was there before
his boss made the world. He's conservative to the utmost. He's a manipulator who's personal agendas couldn't be understood my men, let alone elves. He lies to everyone, manipulates everyone, in order to best his old rival. He doesn't fucking care about shit anymore. Saruman did though. He had seen a peace in the world, and despite war, was willing to play dirty to maintain that peace. Gandalf didn't fucking care. His way or else. And he got his way.
I couldn't even find it in the catalog this time.
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Gandalf could have just given the Ring to the elves and let them kill the Enemy, he always knew exactly where it was. But he didn't. He let the weakest of the weak do his dirty work. And in effect, removed the world of the best it had- the elves said fuck this we're going to home and taking our ball with us. And left the world in a mire of shit with people like you and me to sort it all out. Why did he do that? Because someone told him he couldn't, that it should be done better, for everyone. He resented the elves, resented his maker.
>children's literature
I was under the impression that only The Hobbit was aimed at a young audience?
I'd love to engage you but unfortunately I've yet to read any of Tokien's works.
Trying to maintain the old way of things and fighting against beings that are intrinsically evil is fighting for what is right, according to Tolkien's simplistic morality.
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If you haven't picked up on what old Tolk was getting at with Gandalf yet, it's this. Gandalf is Lucifer.
You can't just drop dank nuggets of wisdom and leave it at that.
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