Is going to university for physics and math worth it?

It depends. Who do you think has the higher amount of debt at a young age? Also, he is talking about a phys/math degree.

>would independent research really need it

How do you acquire the needed skills and techniques to perform research, without being in close contact with those who have done it all their lives?

Half of a PhD or research career is YOU doing things, the other half is learning from and interacting with others, getting their feedback, taking on their advice.

Im not keen on $50,000 student debt, not including living expenses, with interest if not paid off sooner.
Many people spend their entire lives trying to pay student loans

That is a fair enough point, I might have not chosen this path if it meant to have such crippling amounts of debt - luckily I grew up in a socialist-influenced country, so undergrad was free, PhD in the UK was paid for, never had any debt it my life.

In the UK, though, student debt isn't the same as in the US. It's more like additional tax once you cross a certain income threshold, and if you're below that, you don't have to pay shit.

Oh forgot to clarify I'm New Zealand, not UK

Do some countries have overseas students that study for free?

If you're unsure about how student debt will affect your further career and life - go to a career fair where you know phds or postdocs are present, ask them about how dealing with student debt really is.

It's not free per se. In Austria, natives and EU citizens pay either a small logistics fee, or something that's of the order of 300 EUR per semester (I can't remember, I don't know what the laws are right now). Overseas (non EU, non EEA) usually pay double, which might still be much much cheaper than any alternatives.

I think Germany's not too different.

Why not get a scholarship?

I got one Bachelor's for free, and am now getting two more also nearly for free.

>I've never envied a sign so much
would love to stick my nose in her bumhole for a whiff

600euro = 1000kiwibux
Ain't to bad for a semester.
$1000 is the price of one course in NZ, and you do three to four courses per semester

The best scholarships you can get are $6000 off a bachelor that costs $20000 at a university in an area hit by a fucking earthquake with sky high living prices as people have lost their homes.
The closest uni to me has very small scholarships

Just checked my alma mater's homepage and apparently, as long as you're studying at the expected pace (plus 2 tolerance semesters), you'll only have to pay about EUR 20 per semester, if you manage to get legal residency status in Austria.

Cheap, innit?

Are the living expenses expensive in Austria? That's mind boggling cheap.

How long do you have to be in Austria for legal residency status? How much proficiency in language do you need?

I would cream hands free from that sweet, sensual, aroma.

Depends on the city. Vienna is, despite its great ranking in whatever quality-of-life list, surprisingly cheap. Room in a shared flat with other students can be had at EUR 400 per month (maybe cheaper if you're lucky), you can easily get by with a budget of 800-1000 EUR per month, possibly less if you adapt a frugal lifestyle. Most students there have part-time jobs.

Don't be fooled by not knowing any Austrian or German university. Their curricula are just as good, you'll have just as qualified teachers - it's just lab equipment that might not be as fancy. I've worked with physicists across the globe now, and I can hold my own and compete with any of them.

No idea about the residency, I don't know what it takes to get a student visa if you're from overseas. Can't be hard to find out though.

I believe law dictates that all mandatory lectures are held in German, but I've seen departures from that, so maybe it's not the case anymore everywhere. So you might need some some clever system for Bachelor-level lectures, Masters-level lectures I believe are all in English now.

Hey now

at a young age sure, but think one step further.

who is making more in their 30s, 40s 50s and 60s?

what's the big deal about him studying physics and maths?
in the uk maths graduates have one of the higher starting salaries among college graduates.

Thankyou very much for the information you've provided throughout this thread, it's helped me a lot in deciding my future.

If you have to ask if you should study it, you probably aren't passionate enough to do anything with a doctorate in those subjects.
So, no.
There are other ways to get money that aren't Veeky Forums memes if that's what you are after

I was very passionate on these subjects, long before Veeky Forums.
I wholeheartedly believe physics is worth spending time studying, but I was questioning whether I should spend money for uni.
Austrian user has been extremely helpful and I am now considering going overseas for university.

if you wanna be a working class pleb

I'm starting university in an undeclared program, because I can't decide what I want to go into. Structural engineering seems interesting, but I'm not sure if I'm the type of person suited for that. Physics has always interested me, but I don't know if I have it in me to see my studies out to a PhD. Help me Veeky Forums.

Since you're already in university, do what your heart tells you too.
Study physics for bachelor, if you decide to do engineering or chemistry or even molecular biology in postgrad, physics would have given you applied mathematical skills that would be extremely helpful in any scientific field.

Haha are you british? Haha how does it feel to be fucked by your own old people?

>worth it
What do you mean by "it", Peasant?

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