Why don't we just clone Einstein, Von Neumann and shit?

you're a fucking moron

> frozen egg
Humans aren't birds, wtf are you talking about.

That actually is how it works. DNA degrades as you age, if we took a sample from Einsteins corpse it would be damaged and the clone would not live very long

lol

so you think that when you clone an organism it's just a fresh new organism?

lol

You do actually have to take into account the age of the organisms DNA when cloning, because yes it does have an effect on the growing process. And yes it will be fucked up.

its fucking amazing how old people give birth to young people, isn't it?

Wow. So aging is strictly a function of DNA damage? If only we had some kind of biomechanical mechanism to repair DNA damage, why, everybody could live forever!!!

I mean, that is just amazing. It is so profound, we should probably get to work designing more than one such mechanism, right?

You realise sperm quality decreases as you age right? And that the older a man is when he has a child the more likely it is the child will have genetic defects? Because sperm DNA gets worse as you get older?

>and yes it will be fucked up
this totally explains why old men never sire children, but instead half-mutated man-babies that die before they reach sexual maturity.

>So aging is strictly a function of DNA damage
No there are other factors, but DNA quality probably the biggest one.

> If only we had some kind of biomechanical mechanism to repair DNA damage, why, everybody could live forever!!!
Much longer certainly

>we should probably get to work designing more than one such mechanism, right?
We should

I gather your post is some kind of joke but I cant see what it is

you realize that an increased chance of defects means an increased risk of genetic disease or spontaneous abortion, but that perfectly healthy offspring are still likely?

you realize how statistics works, riiight?

>this totally explains why old men never sire children
It explains why its far less common and has a higher rate of genetic disorder

Im confused as to whether you actually understand that DNA accumulates damage as you age. This is an actual thing that actually happens

>I gather your post is some kind of joke but I cant see what it is
And that is why you shouldn't be posting on this topic and spend some time reading up on genetics instead. It's bad enough you don't recognize the blatantly obvious problems in your argument, but to keep on posting as if you are an authority is beyond the pale.

There are multiple biomechanical functions within the cell to preserve DNA fidelity. They are absolutely crucial to life and are highly preserved across all known living organisms.

Accumulated DNA damage does occur, but it is not the leading factor in aging by any means. And while you may want to clone a young organism to reduce the overall likelihood of incorporating such errors in the offspring, it is by no means necessary, and even if you do include such errors, the offspring will survive to the average age on average completely normally.

You must realize, by the time your parents had you, they had also accumulated some errors? And so it was with their parents, and their parents, and their parents, and so on and so on and so on...

There is no such thing as "pure" DNA. Your entire argument rests on a monumental fallacy.

are you retarded, he is talking about a egg cell

And I am astounded that you do not realize that old men sire children all the fucking time, and these children, for the most part, do not die young because of "accumulated errors", but instead are born perfectly healthy as babies, with a normal life span.

Yes, there can be a slightly higher instance of some defects across the population, but for the most part this is not the norm, nor do these defects tend to have a significant detrimental effect on the child.

So the argument that if you cloned Einstein, the DNA would be too "old man DNA so any clone would only last a few years and probably wouldnt even reach maturity" is patently ridiculous.

My argument rest on the fact that this is an actual issue with cloned organisms and always has been.

I am well aware we have numerous mechanism to prevent and repair DNA damage, but they dont always work and any mistake they make is permanent

And yes, obviously any germline mutations your parents accumulate before conceiving you will be passed on

>what are telomeres?
-this thread

newscientist.com/article/dn1903-cloned-animals-meet-early-deaths/

So then with Einstein, what you do is take a bunch of cells and start multiple germ-lines, and then you fertilize a bunch of eggs, and then you select the zygotes that seem to be developing most normally, and you take it from there?

And that that is what they actually do when they clone organisms anyways?

And that this is simply reproducing, albeit in a much faster process, the normal selection that happens in the womb when sperm have to make it there, and the egg has to develop properly and attach, and the fetus has to develop normally or it spontaneously aborts?

Once you get past that bottle-neck, either way, the offspring IS HIGHLY LIKELY TO BE NORMAL and does not die before sexual maturity. You are talking completely out of your ass, kid.

You cant tell what the embryo is going to do later in life from how it does as an embryo. Animals cloned from adult cells have an alarming tendency to age rapidly and die young

Sorry to break this to you but humans don't hatch from eggs.

We tried but all we got was a fucking lamb.