Doesn't the fact that I can fully control my arm which is made of atoms disprove the Heisenberg uncertainty principle? At all times I know and control the position and momentum of the atoms which collectively make up my arm.
Quantum """"physics"""" on suicide watch.
Samuel Roberts
Oh cool, another Quantum Theory of Mind thread. I'm puzzled why everyone always thinks theyre so original when they post this shit.
Jack Carter
It keeps coming up because everyone keeps putting it down
Liam Ross
Its been debunked, there has been no new theories or evidence in over a decade. Just let it go.
John Mitchell
How can you say it's been debunked? There are theories that might oppose it but you it's never been proven.
You really got the answer to the observe-wave relationship?
Ryder Brown
>the observe-wave relationship maximum woo
Adrian Baker
we still don't know why that happens
Einstein said that if you are really interested in physics, you'll be convinced there is spirit and that everything is made
Oliver Peterson
XD muh god doesnt roll dice checkmate atheists
Sebastian Watson
You keep avoiding that you cannot actually explain it, so it's kinda open for interpretation right now
Carter Foster
>we still don't know why that happens You mean why popsci faggots use imprecise vocabulary? We do, it's because they don't know shit.
Dominic Clark
god of the gaps pls go
Robert Allen
Please explain to me why any observer collapses a wave into a particle. Clearly you know.
Lucas Hughes
they dont muggins
Owen Jenkins
Obviously. But they dismiss any idea and act like it's been resolved
Ethan Scott
the observer doesnt collapse shit, you can use the mathematics of a wave or of a particle to describe an electron, the wave/particle is not an 'object'.
Camden Thomas
Clearly I'm referring to the double slit experiment. Any observer will smack a wave into a particle.
Asher King
no.
Robert Cox
No it wont. Dicking with the quantum environment can cause results that seem more particle-like than wave-like though
Justin Kelly
no quantum system can store more than 0.25 bits of integrated information. not enough for consciousness. now fuck off
Michael Murphy
Photons act like a wave unobserved and act like a particle when observed.
Honestly, why are you guys even here if you don't know this shit?
Matthew Martin
>Photons act like a wave unobserved and act like a particle when observed This is literally the popsci bullshit explanation to allow idiots to think they know what is going on
Carson Johnson
You really shouldn't keep asserting anything until you understand the math behind it.
Jayden Ward
>I know and can control all the position and momentum of the atoms
First of all this is wrong, you don't.
>DISPROVE
No, wouldn't it prove it if anything (if your shitty logic was right)
Dominic Gray
lol why wont they accept my premise so I can spout Deepak Chopra waaaaah
Jacob Hall
Then why did the wave-like pattern turn into 2 lines after being observed?
Considering this was the oddity of the experiment that doesn't seem to be accounted for.
Alexander Bailey
Short answer is because you interfered with it
Christopher Reed
Yay gorilla posting is back!
David Jones
Don't do it op she still loves u physics is just ur alter ego and subconscious mind figuring out and understanding itself and working.....
Robert Hernandez
>Then why did the wave-like pattern turn into 2 lines You can't do that without fundamentally changing the experiment.
Samuel Allen
With your eyes? Gtfo.
Nathan Baker
Yes you moron. Why do you think your eyes are magically exempt from physics? Also more specifically you do it with your detection equipment
Jaxson Walker
>With your eyes? Yeah bro you're just like, looking at the photon moving lmafuckingo
Evan Reed
In what respects? The photon still moves freely through the slits. It's obviously still a mystery as to why this happens, my original point.
Jackson Thomas
No. Principles of quantum mechanics only apply on the quantum scale.
For example... if you arm weighs say 10 kg and is at 37 C, we can calculate the uncertainty of such a "molecule." It would be somewhere around 1/10^14 of a planck it my napkin math is right. In other words, you are retarded.
Luis Walker
>In what respects? Tell me which of the modified double slit experiment you're talking about first, and then I'll be able to answer your question.
Ian Long
>so it's kinda open for interpretation right now it actually is
Kevin Wilson
I cant decide who is worse in this thread. The faggy gorilla poster who takes wave–particle duality way too literal or all thos other faggots who think that there is a clear consensus on the double slit experiment?
Mason Wood
Why did you want to be friends, laying and giggling at a frown.
Jaxon King
the path integral gives nice aprroach of answering such a question, and while doing that it doesn't have to include the concept of waves or with the uncertainty principle(at least not directly).
the wavefunction makes quantum mechanics just very confusing (if you start learning it), while the path integral approach gives a elegant intuition
Levi Rodriguez
that's bullshit an observation causes changes in the system that's the origin behind the uncertainty principle and that is what physicists mean when they say a wavefunction collapse
Jackson Bell
no if you shoot a photon with lots of energy because it travels at LIGHT SPEED you will shoot it to a random direction which will mess with the probability so that the paths don't interfere destructively anymore (at least not in a way as before you shot the photons)
Daniel Baker
>quantum phenomena must extend to macroscopic scales kys
Luke Gray
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Charles Davis
Why are you guys all acting like belligerent idiots? The double slit experiment shows a wave pattern when you don't observe the slits and makes a particle pattern when you do observe them, even if you set up the detector to determine which slit the photon passed through after the photon has hit the board that shows the pattern.
The photon is demonstrably both part le are wave. You guys are acting like isn't in some vain attempt to act smart, but it's making you all look like complete idiots.
Isaac Gray
>Principles of quantum mechanics only apply on the quantum scale. Are you just pretending to be retarded
Bentley Stewart
We all know that's where you came from.
There's a reason we call quantum mechanics, quantum mechanics.
If you think everything works the same all the way down and all the way up in scale you are retarded.
Grayson Ramirez
Try to explain superconductivity (i.e. a macroscopic fenomena) without quantum mechanics
Luke Howard
>and makes a particle pattern when you do observe them this is why we are acting "belligerent". This is a meaningless sentence. Answer and we'll be able to explain what happens to you. You never just "observe the slits", that's a meaningless sentence.
Nolan Cooper
Did I say it had no effect?
Elijah Thompson
It's a meme. People here like to pretend that there aren't any conceptual issues in quantum mechanics
Cameron Williams
The observer doesn have to have consciosness. Its just another way of saying this thing, a particle for example, interacted with the system in some way, and thus needs information from it.
Andrew Brooks
Or in the slit experiment, the electron detector at one of the slits. It can only detect electrons by interacting with them.
Xavier White
No. A lot of people like to give away that explanation because it's very demystifying, but it's really not a good picture. It's not so much about actually interacting with a particle than it is about the measurement being possible in principle. If you look at the quantum eraser experiments of Mandel or Zou, they mention that if they set up the experiment such that the idler photons are perfectly aligned (and thus not measurable in principle), you recover your interference patterns. Otherwise you don't see any pattern. You don't have to actually turn on your sensors for that to be true.
Owen Rivera
the uncertainty principle has absolutely fucking nothing to do with observation or the "observer effect". that's just an analogy. it's clear that you have never taken even an intro to qm. heisenberg uncertainty is built in to the mathematics and can be derived from first principles, viz. the position and momentum operators do not commute. their is a minimum quantitative amount of uncertainty before anything is observed and even if it never is
Carson Perry
*there
Brayden Edwards
I dicked ur mum's quantum environment until her wavefunction collapsed.
Luke Rodriguez
I guess scale doesn't matter, therefore I can use [math]distance^{-2}[/math] to perfectly describe orbital interactions between a nucleophile and an electrophile.