>Calc I >First day >Professor says he doesn't like the term "undefined," says "undetermined" is better >Says a vertical line is an infinite slope, but we say it's "undetermined" because it's impossible to tell if it's positive or negative
What is going on? Is Calculus about to fuck up everything I thought I knew about math?
Zachary Moore
Try to at least talk him into calling it "indeterminate".
Some terms ARE undefined - we do not define them because they can't be uniquely or meaningfully defined...
Liam Harris
>infinite slope
Evan Davis
>moran
Juan Rodriguez
>Says a vertical line is an infinite slope Is he some sort of engineer? A calc 1 teacher is supposed to beat rigor into your brain, not spout some mathematical woowoo
William Hall
0/x=0
x = undefined, because all real numbers work
Gabriel Hernandez
>a-a is undetermined, since it's impossible to tell if it's positive or negative zero Tell him to kill himself
Ian Evans
>the slope of y=2 is undetermined because it's impossible to tell if it's positive or negative zero
Wyatt Powell
That's not what undefined means
Hunter Stewart
if there are no solutions just imagine a number that would be a solution like sqrt(-1)=i
discover all the properties of the solution to 1/0 then get your fields medal
300k starting
maths
Jacob Harris
He sounds autistic.
Hunter Ortiz
The slope is undefined because the definition of the slope, is a change in y over a change in x. There is no change in x, sooo it's not defined.
Nolan Ward
Seems like a computer scientists to me >missing function >undefined symbol >not initialized integer >undetermined variabile
Joshua Turner
"Undefined" is exactly the right word for it.
A relation [math] S \subseteq X \times Y[/math] is undefined at [math]x \in X[/math] exactly when there is no y in Y such that S(x, y) holds. In Hausdorff spaces, limits are unique but they don't always exist, hence the "limit function" can be undefined.
Question: in what kinds of spaces do limits always exist?
Cameron Ross
Singleton sets? with the obvious topology
Caleb Stewart
If we were to allow an infinite slope, then there would be its negative version too. These would both be vertical lines, and thus indistinguishable from one another.
Carson Cox
but a calc 1 teacher is also supposed to make people appreciate math more, but I agree he could have phrased it more rigorously.
John Phillips
We allow zero slopes without this problem at all. Personally I think infinity has a place as a number alongside/counterpart to zero. Much as it took a while for mathematicians to come round to accepting zero as a number the same seems to be the case for infinity :(
Luke Rivera
0=-0
Ryder Ward
0 doesn't, you fag
Brandon Roberts
Your professor is a moron but that's expected because he's teaching calculus.
Christian Harris
This defining x=1/0 is not the same as the defining i=sqrt(-1)
The identity i*i = -1 is actually pretty comfortable and fitting with the algebra of real numbers.
Now imagine you set 1/0 = x then x*0 = 1 by the rules of division
-1 * x * 0 = -1 x*(-0) = -1 since multiplicattion is commutative and associative but -0 = 0 so now you have x*0 = -1
so x*0 = 1 = -1
immediately contradictory.
I mean, I am not saying you can't. I am just saying it is useless.
Luis Reyes
two words: projective space
Samuel Bailey
>0/x=0 >x = undefined, because all real numbers work what? no lol hahaha
0/x = 0 is well defined for any x for which a multiplicative inverse exists.
Jonathan Bell
dy/dx = dy/0 = infinity
its magic, I dont gotta explain shit
Nathan Thompson
Let x*0 = +-1
wow that was hard
Hudson Cox
the problem comes from improperly defining 1/0 = x.
0 is a number which has the property of being its own negative. 0 = -0.
By extension, x is also its own negative. -x = -1/0 = 1/-0 = 1/0 = x.
0*x produces another number which is its own negative, say "y". If 0*x = y, then -y = -(0*x) = -0*x = 0*x = y.
There is no contradiction. Your arithmetic is just wrong.
Aiden Miller
It's true of indiscrete spaces too, though. Is it true of any others? I managed to show that any such space is connected:
Assume we have U != V open and disjoint. Then pick x in U and y in V. If the sequence x y x y x ... converges to p, then p is in neither U nor V. Therefore, any space where limits always exist must be connected.
Ethan Turner
It's so jarring seeing actual jokes on Veeky Forums. When did we switch to post meme humor?
Bentley Howard
Take your pure math back to
Camden Gomez
He's one of those guys that believe math is discovered.
Juan Harris
Are you talking to me?
Parker Diaz
Is 0 a real number?
Christian Sanders
You might as well call those anything, but using different jargon just becuase you don't like the established jargon is stupid