Film is superior to literature

*because

But seriously, we all know that music is the highest form of art.

The only artforms which are actually patrish are literature and sculptures.
Everything else is below it or either complete pleb lowbrow shite.

Barney is a hack

music > literature

Ha! You've been uncovered pseud!

Cremaster 3 is shit tho

What's so great about music? What do you extract from music?

The same general things that I get from literature (feelings, thoughts, a sense of connection).

Sure is pleb here.
Please get out, /mu/

Cremaster is one of the worst films ever made

No

The best films are amazing but there's not enough great directors out there.

If there were 1000 directors like Anoionio, Tarkovsky, Bergman and Fellini then sure, film would be amazing but there's not enough quality.

money ruin film but not for long

Who of our generation do you think can compare?

I watched Ohayo by Ozu recently. You guys have anything else like that?

Because music (except computer generated) is a direct expression straight from the soul. Anything else takes too much preparation and overthinking. Improvised music is the truest form of art there is.

>Anoionio
lmao those sure are some hot opinions for someone who can't even spell Antonioni

>computer generated
You don't know a lot about electronic music, do you?

Malick, Kieslowski

Ozu always makes me feel all warm inside, particulary his later films, like Floating Weeds (1959). A true artisan of the cinematic art.

Is blow up any good?

unlike novels, films require a lot of money to make.

Mr. Thank You (dir. Shimizu)

>Malick, Kieslowski
>of our generation
fucking kek

Pedro Costa
Tsai Ming-Liang
Apichatpong Weerasethakul
James Benning

...

Those are all contemporary filmmakers.

I'm ready to admit that my post was a bit of an overgeneralization but I'm curious if you could give me an example of "soulful" electronic music that doesn't depend on samples and is a direct expression of feelings and not the work of a producer who worked for hours or days on that song.

No shit.

You have shit taste, film doesn't begin and end with 60s European art house cinema.There were plenty of good directors in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00's

>ITT: Shitposting

Not really.

i'm convinced music is the highest art of which literature is an essential komponent.

if you can play an instrument and/or even sing on the street, yuge* instantanious congregation who ejaculates monetary curreny

*Donald J. Trump referens

the goat song;
Beethovens Moonlight Sonata

This is pure Avant Garde devilry. Take me Jean Claude.

no they fucking don't.

Look at something like Méditerranée, Eaux d'artifice, or even something like Hans Richters experimental films.

not everything has to be a lavishly designed greenaway film

Electronic music has so much more potential than the generic club shit most people associate the genre with.

Radiohead's electronic period (Kid A, Amnesiac) is always a good place to start and served as the entry point for a fair amount of current electronic music fans.

youtube.com/watch?v=NdmsXwK39Jk&ab_channel=AllDeMusic

LCD Soundsystem is largely electronic and dance-y but can still pull off some incredibly hard hitting songs

youtube.com/watch?v=bOHLeXxfNu0&ab_channel=jeremyp371

Björk is a classic pop artist that uses electronic instrumentation in an intense emotional environment

youtube.com/watch?v=-SDWFvsN2lw&ab_channel=CabbagePatchBaby

Now here's some crazy shit in case the more conventional stuff bored you:

Autechre - Pen Expers

youtube.com/watch?v=BfQNUfpWdTY&ab_channel=Autechre-Topic

Tim Hecker - Hatred of Music I

youtube.com/watch?v=8Ta5Zg9XEy8&ab_channel=ZerothRecursion

Aphex Twin - Vordhosbn (my favorite electronic piece ever and should be considered my answer to your proposition)

youtube.com/watch?v=-iEl7OKrLGI&ab_channel=SuqMadiq

I think the main thing to remember when listening to electronic music is that actual people (with emotions and passion!) are behind the sounds. The time and energy that producers put into their music is part of the expressive element, sort of like sculpture.

carbon based lifeforms
massive attack

>Autechre
>Aphex Twin

You realize Parmegiani did exactly what they did 20 years ahead of time but more artistically and intellectual right?

> Talk about potential of electronic music
> Mentions LCD soundsystem
Fuck off

Kenneth Anger had wealthy patrons and supporters his whole career

I was just trying to get something accessible that wasn't leet dj mixes

You have a very pleb taste in electronic music and you obviously don't know much about the genre

what a fucking pleb
improvised music is usually shit, i bet you like jazz, kys
and theres nothing wrong with computer generated music, they are just frequencies, is how you place them together what makes the difference, you are the kind of shit that gives music a bad name
name your favorite albums/bands and composers
>radiohead
fucking kil yourself famalam
at least LCD soundsystem can be fun sometimes
youtube.com/watch?v=TT2izWpGDCo

druqks is the worst aphex twin album

/thread

is a really new art give it a break
whats your favorite David Lynch movie?

Film is the lazy man's literature.

Laziness is the idiot's detachment.

Film is the idiot-who-thinks-himself-critical-minded's literature. Film is the pseudo's literature.

You propose that "Film is superior to literature."

In order for it to be true, laziness would have to be superior to its literary analogue critical detachment, and pseudo-intellectuality would have to be superior to intellectuality.

From this point on it might just be a question of values.

Mulholland drive

It really is.

>not lost highway
sure is pleb in here

Slam death metal is the highest and most abstruse form of art.

The obvious answer is Blue Velvet, any other answer is shit and wrong and try hard

good joke, LCD are never fun and never good

God damn Isabella Rossellini was stupid hot in that movie

...

it is desu. reading is still fun though.

>Film is the lazy man's literature.
Can you explain this? The laziness in particular.

>not Fire Walk With Me
for shame
Baby wants to fuuuuck

Had anybody here actually watched all of cremaster? Does it ever start making sense? Which one is the best?

It's boring, watch Coppola's The conversation instead

its 10/10

Come back after you've lurked /bleep/ and hit puberty m8

How the fuck does an artist get that sort of budget for an art film? The cycle must have cost a fuck ton of money

actually correct

liked the movie but, what did Lynch REALLY mean by it?

now it's dark

the joos

This memegogery

>except computer generated
or literally anything that was composed, by your line of thought

it's not so much about self-expression as it is about creating an impression anyways, unless you listen to rap and emo only

improvisation is just self-indulgence a lot of the time

Music and literature have a pretty similar effect on me. Listen to Close to the Edge if you haven't. It's probably the best example I can think of as far as music achieving what literature is capable of. The title track especially has a way of stimulating even the most complex mind, and most people who listen to the track report it evoking a sense of euphoria. It achieves incredible heights with seemingly no effort, and it covers a lot of ground while feeling completely fluid and effortless.

wtf i hate film now

what does Veeky Forums think about the conceptual art project known as "Death Grips"

Guys who are the best filmmakers working today
I contend
Mike Leigh, David Lynch, The Dardennes, The Coen Brothers, Wong Kar-wai, Kelly Reichardt, Derek Cianfrance, Ben Wheatley, Lynne Ramsay, Lenny Abrahamson, Martin Scorsese, Todd Haynes, Thomas Vinterberg, Steve McQueen and Wes Anderson

>Intellectual
what is this garbage

if you aint feeling it you aint feeling it

Rate my film m8s

vimeo.com/163198605

The art of film just like Veeky Forums even in the hands of the best directors today has degraded so largely that it's of no consequence of what is better.

please be in london

w-why

what does Veeky Forums think of the conceptual artist known as "Grimes"

...

This, filmmaking isn't ever cheap even when a particular one seems cheap compared to a blockbuster

I guess I'll focus just on feature films
Tsai Ming-Liang (Only Director I know that's still regularly putting out masterpieces)

One or two masterpieces and several misses:
Veiko Õunpuu (The Temptation of St. Tony)
Lech Majewski (The Mill and the Cross)
Yannis Economides (Knifer)
Mohammad Rasoulof (The White Meadows)

what does Veeky Forums think of the conceptual artist known as "Geologist"

Do you like Hou Hsiao-Hsien?

Not any of his contemporary films I've seen.

Veeky Forums is such a fucking joke about non-specialist topics

read adorno? read danto? neither have i. but my very smart friends in graduate school have. their findings were interesting. after modernism, and then after conceptual art, the technology of art is no longer important, because it's inescapable. any artwork could be recreated today, exactly the same, and would be worthy of consideration. then there's some kind of tie-in to modernism and capitalism and the reifying forces of such but we don't really need to think about those. what's important is that these questions of form are now questions of technology and as such are no longer relevant.

it's funny that OP used cremaster as his example, as anyone who is familiar with the form of that exhibit will know (to spell it out: barney didn't imagine cremaster as a film, whatsoever)

Film as a medium is objectively better than literature. Just because it's younger and hasn't produced as much quality work doesn't mean it's worse in and of itself.

Film does everything literature does with the benefit of image and sound. It can portray many details at once while literature is limited to one word at a time. And it doesn't have the same restrictions of timing and pace, try writing down the highway chase scene from Matrix Reloaded (just the first thing that popped in my head) in literary language while maintaining the dramatic tension if you don't believe me.

My guess would be that a film is more reliant on imagery which is easier (by showing) than literature's task of description

>tfw you have just enough awareness of Veeky Forums, art history, film, and music to know when someone doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about on non-specialist subjects
>tfw know artist friends who think lady gaga is culturally subversive
>tfw know film friends who think les mis is the pinnacle of literature
>tfw know music nerds who think christopher nolan is the greatest auteur of our times
>tfw don't know anyone who actually reads though
>can't help feeling smug even though i'm just a jack of all trades fag

is this supposed to be me who is "feel"ing? what the fuck is going on in this post