What do you think of eugenics?

What do you think of eugenics?

Necessary for an end to many awful diseases, yet has the potential to be very dangerous if done wrong.

It's great.

Should be done an individual choice level via genetic counseling with prospective parents. With government staying the fuck out.

we already have it via planned parenthood

It's great, we should do it, but only if we create an asian-jewish master race by sterilising all the sub-humans (aka blacks, whites, hispanics, etc)

This is how you create a caste system. Eugenics MUST be accessible to everyone.

we should all have our genetic passport. just like in gattaca. some are normal humans, some won't deserve the same treatment - those would not die of course, but they would live differently. neanderthal got extincted even though he was brilliant. current ma should extinct as well, whereas pure humans should overcome.

holy shit im watching gattaca right now
but seriously "genetic passport"? with stuff like CRISPR/Cas9 your fate wont be determined from birth, but it will still be a haves and have-nots situation
like said, if its gonna be a revolutionary societal change rather than a treatment method it will have to be as close to universal as possible

Yes.

What we need to avoid is over-regulation, its justification being to prevent the formation of a genetic underclass due to its inability to purchase new technologies. It is backwards. Restrictions on research and usage only exacerbate that issue, as now it is the domain of those rich enough to bypass restriction in the event of a ban and pay the higher black market costs or those rich enough to pay the higher price caused by a regulatory environment hostile to competition.

Literacy was initially exclusive to the elite, now it is universal. It is the same with computers, education, or any beneficial new technology initially expensive.

The issue of an underclass is already present. What do you do when there are people with no ability to contribute to the economy and no ability to learn how? The only cooperation possible will be bribery, if it can be considered that. They'll be paid off to prevent riots, and subsist, and so long as the cost of bribery is less than the cost of letting them stave or physically removing them, which is the foreseeable future, bribery will persist. That will be the origin of basic income. The dysgenic and financial consequences of allowing limitless breeding in the mass of peoples unable to provide for themselves or children will necessitate restriction as a condition of the assistance.

It is idiocy to subsidize the reproduction of the non-productive (non-intelligent) if everyone is universally enfranchised.

>tfw you watch Gattaca and miss the fucking point of it
No eugenics. We wouldn't have Veeky Forums.

The choice is not between eugenics being available to everyone or eugenics being available to the rich.

The choice is between eugenics being available to those able to pay the price in an efficient, non-restricted market, or those able to pay bribes, black market costs, and the increased prices the result of bad regulation e.g. government monopoly.

What group do you think is larger and more inclusive?

The cost of illegal action is a cost to be considered like any other. Banning it in a nation increases the cost there, and decreases the nation's global competitiveness in the long-run. Banning it globally require the existence of the "caste system" you mention. If we do not restrict it the price will fall faster.

straight-up eugenics is bad, obviously.
genetic engineering can have advantages if the disadvantages are managed

What is "straight-up eugenics", and why is it bad?

I assume you mean things like forced sterilization, which is not implied by "straight-up eugenics" or "eugenics" any more than the tendency of the educated to breed with the educated. Eugenics only implies the improvement of offspring via breeding. No means to accomplish this is implied.

I have zero belief in the incorruptibility of managers, only their ability to mismanage and take bribes.

The type that tends to want to restrict this often holds two contradictory beliefs. One is that money controls politics. The other is that politicians can be trusted to restrict money for the benefit of the poor.

What happens consequently is that politicians pretend to regulate a market for the benefit of the poor, but are in reality prostituting themselves to the rich who would like to outlaw competition, by increasing barrier to entry.

And because universal democracy is barely distinguishable from plutocracy, the latter happens. Every country lobbies to achieve a monopoly through law, and the media makes people believe it's in their interest.

The immunity Trump has seemed to develop to this is hopeful. He knows it very well. He is the only candidate who actually admitted to bribing politicians when he was just a businessman.

He's rich and doesn't need anybody's money. Look at at who Hillary is funded by. People say "Trump with his finger on the trigger will end the world in nuclear fire" simply because of his bombast. Hillary has actually destroyed Libya and is working to destroy Syria. Hillary doesn't care about immigrants (most of which) who arrive here have no respect for the culture or desire for freedom (this is proven), extending aid and citizenship to the non-productive to secure their votes for eternity. If not halted the productive will lose control of this country and change will no longer be possible through the system.

Trump may be the last chance to avert the demographic crisis that will turn the U.S. into Venezuala. We will otherwise reach a critical mass as the votes of those utterly reliant on government with a proven predilection to socialism and ethnocentrism overwhelm those of the actually productive, and there is no going back then, there is only acceleration due to the differences in birth rate, until the productive, natives and immigrants alike, refuse to subsidize a weird nation with foreign principles that has usurped their own, and leave or secede.

And the educated, genuinely anti-racist people, naive about the ethnocentrism of other groups and unwilling to demand assimilation are complicit, all because Trump does not use sophisticated language, and is a member of the party of the homophobic, in the long-run an irrelevance.

>change will no longer be possible through the system.
It already isn't. Reformism is, and always has been, a pleasant delusion perpetuated by unwitting puppet liberal class.

There does not exist any means to vote against the interests or large corporations, nor is it possible for a candidate to succeed if they aren't accepted by the present power structure.

/pol/ please leave

Or we could just make it mandatory and free for everyone.

Not Veeky Forums related, gtfo

A wonderful thing that would make the lives of everyone involved easier.

t. someone with a low quality of life supporting eugenics

But emotion is what passion is made out of

Trivially naive.

White babies would be illegal since white skin burns easily, we are easier to spot, and of course, we are all Nazis.

if you don't like your name, imagine what kind of fucked up shit your parents could do to you.

i am not particularly smart or attractive or strong and suffer from a mental illness; my genes are mediocre at best.

and yet i am driven by biological programming to seek out a genetically superior mate with the purpose of maximizing the genetic potential of my offspring, even though i know it will minimize her own.

to do this, chemicals in my brain will force me to be more than i am: to exercise, to groom, to charm... and yet i am still just as mediocre as i was before, except now i have transiently and precariously elevated myself to the ground state of a better man. the guise won't last long, just enough to secure my lineage, and then i will be long gone and forgotten.

i am the inferior man, whose only purpose in life is to put the bell in bellcurve. i will do nothing noteworthy in life, contribute nothing towards the betterment of mankind. on the contrary, i will leech off the greatness of others, with full entitlement, and self-justified incredulity when the scales arent tipped in my favor.

are you angry now? good. there's nothing you can do about it, because all of the foundations of society were built upon my needs and limitations, not yours.

enjoy.

Although this is a /pol/-esque post, and the writing is a bit strange, the sentiment definitely rings true with me. Great post

We should use a system of economic Darwinism, if you will, to bring the best people forward to mate with each other while letting the others perish. Most importantly though you can't just base someones usefulness to society all on genetics. Children should all have the chance to reach they're maximum potential. I think if you took a smart black kid from the hood and gave him the right upbringing, then there's a high chance he/she would be have better genes than an obviously dumb white kid that lives in a rich area.

>asians
>better than whites

toppest of keks user

>What do you think of eugenics?
It's one of those ideas that look great on paper and get worse the more you hear about them.

This. In smaller countries, Huntington's could be eradicated in two generations by forbidding patients from having children. It's a small price to pay, really.

keep kidding yourself chum.

>U.S into Venezuela
Let the jews and chinks rule the country. They are superior. They have high IQ.

KEK

Jesus Christ, it's like no one in this fucking thread has any clue about fundamental evolutionary processes, and population genetics.
How about you read a fucking book before you start decide you have a good grasp on a subject.

I'm not even discussing the philosophical/ethical reasons why it would be wrong/wouldn't work.
But the human race would quite literally go the way of the Gros Michel banana if you apply eugenics to it.

Stop pretending this is an actually scientifically relevant question.

Go back to /pol/.

Nothing could go wrong