“There are infinite numbers between 0 and 1. There's .1 and .12 and .112 and an infinite collection of others. Of course, there is a bigger infinite set of numbers between 0 and 2, or between 0 and a million. Some infinities are bigger than other infinities. A writer we used to like taught us that. There are days, many of them, when I resent the size of my unbounded set. I want more numbers than I'm likely to get, and God, I want more numbers for Augustus Waters than he got. But, Gus, my love, I cannot tell you how thankful I am for our little infinity. I wouldn't trade it for the world. You gave me a forever within the numbered days, and I'm grateful.”
Because that's the way people wished they talked, not the way people actually talk. Also because it's cliche and trite
Christian Turner
...
Adam Green
because mistaking analogy for metaphor is something any toadstool huffing vagrant can do.
Robert Johnson
Why does John hate our youth? Why does he want them to fail at math?
William Clark
>Of course, there is a bigger infinite set of numbers between 0 and 2, or between 0 and a million. Some infinities are bigger than other infinities. This is not true.
Angel Nguyen
There aren't more numbers between 0 and 2 than there are between 0 and 1 you fucking imbecile, this is not how mathematics works
Ian Johnson
That paragraph is a perfect example. He takes all the pseudo-profound shit that most everyone above the age of 15 has already thought about before and twists it around so that it will fit in the context of a shitty love story. If you're in his target demographic, you might just be naive enough to fall for it. If you're older than that, it's just obnoxious. Beyond that, he's just clearly trying to inflate a statement that isn't profound or interesting at all with a bunch of excess shit. There are ten or so sentences in this paragraph when all it needs are two. One could do the trick: "I wish that Augustus Waters had more time". But if you really wanna keep the pretentious "I know what infinite sets are" bullshit I suppose you could slip that in another sentence.
He's also quite prone to the "every character in my book sounds just like me" virus, and John Green just sounds like a pretentious asshole. Suffice it to say that a book about a bunch of pretentious assholes having pretentious asshole problems in their pretentious asshole world viewed through the lens of a pretentious asshole doesn't sound like good reading material to me.
Joseph Robinson
Bro, have you ever even studied set theory? Some infinities are bigger than others, numbnuts.
Cooper Stewart
AAAAAAAAAAH!!!
Every FUCKING day with these STUPID fucking MEMES! I've had it up to HERE with stupid fucking memes! You guys make me want to KILL MYSELF! Is that what you fucking want? For me to fucking KILL MYSELF and write on my suicide note "Cause of suicide: Couldn't handle all of the stupid fucking memes, killed myself"? Because that's what it might as well fucking say!
You guys are literally, L I T E R A L L Y incapable of having even the SIMPLEST of fucking discussion without "MEME THIS, MEME THAT, PROBABLY PINECONE BE CHILLIN, HERE'S A PIC OF INFINITE JEST BY DAVID FOSTER WALLACE, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA EBIN AMIRITE?" Fucking STOP IT you pathetic fucking FAGGOTS, you are such fucking cancer that I cannot even fathom how you fucking scumbags live your dumb gay lives. Don't you have a job to get to, schoolwork to finish or a family to attend to? Do you literally do ANYTHING productive with your lives other than post stupid fucking memes on the literature section of a god damn anime imageboard? You fucking people make me sick and you're damn lucky I don't have any of your fucking addresses you fucking pieces of shits. I'd spit in your faces.
William Scott
I never claimed anything to the contrary. For instance, the infinite set of natural numbers is smaller than the real numbers between 0 and 1. However, the set of real numbers between 0 and 1 is equal in size to the set of real numbers between 0 and 2. This is common knowledge, even for undergraduates.
Isaiah Hall
dubs and i read this aloud
Hudson Nguyen
Do it anyway
David Hughes
only when the dubs demand it
Carson Sullivan
Rollin'
Gabriel Price
remember this is a little cancerous teen talking, not a mathematician.
Jeremiah Rivera
They are demanding it
Jayden Harris
Post it
Xavier Perry
He writes like as if every teenager is some profound philosopher, it's fucking garbage. He's obviously trying way too hard to have tumblr teens make pictures of quotes from his book floating in space or some shit with all the teens going OMG GOALS!!! THIS IS SO DEEEEEP!!!
Jason Taylor
i'm waiting
David Powell
rolling
Christopher Nguyen
No he doesn't.
His characters make interesting analogies and knowledge. He doesn't pretend to have the meaning of life, he juts has s story to tell.
Camden Reed
A number of reasons: he writes young adult fiction (which isn't taken seriously by internet intellectuals, consummate cognoscenti, international intelligentsia, and literal literati (un)like Veeky Forumsizens); he's popular, successful, a prototypical nu-male, antithetically meta-post-quasi-ironic-modern-anything; he's arguably not that good of a writer; and also because he's an overly sentimental little bitch.
Combine all this with the echo-chambered mob-mental meme-masturbatory peculiarly-pretentious sciatically-cynical diabolical-doghouse that is Veeky Forums, and you get petty and pervasive loathing.
Also this:
Samuel Cooper
i've never read a book with realistic dialogue. even tao lin is idealized a bit. thought that sorta thing's besides the point a little???
Benjamin Carter
This , also
Many on Veeky Forums have a kneejerk emotional aversion because they see the worst parts of themselves in him
i.e. numale cuck who is a hollow shell attempting to be substantive through the bourgeoise connotations of referencing Western literature
Noah Baker
Okay but I'm sure that you can concede that there exist books with realistic dialogue and that having realistic dialogue is an important component to creating an immersive narrative which is arguably an important component to a good book?
Blake Thomas
But how can one not resist the discreet charm of the bourgeoisie?
Ian Perez
anyone know a good source for learning about stuff like this?
Eli Jackson
The web?
Seriously man, you have an incredibly immense repository of knowledge at your fingertips. Curiosity's your compass.
And the first user is right: the whole infinity infinities thing is relatively common knowledge (among educated people). I remember learning about (or deducing, I believe) this in 7th grade.
Nathaniel Perry
He's not exactly wrong though.
Colton Foster
>There's a bigger infinite set between 0 and 2 than between 0 and 1 No there's not. And anyway, why would pretentious pseudomath help anyone grieve? Especially the teenagers he pretends to write about.
Wyatt Rivera
every single one of his books' themes are literally pulled from infinite jest
Carter Sanchez
I'm the first user, I learned this shit from linear algebra and differential equations in university. Look up Cantor's diagonal proof if you are interested in seeing a really easy to understand proof of different-sized infinities. If you are truly curious in mathematics but you don't wish to go to university for it I recommend just buying a first year uni textbook (make sure you find something good, go to Veeky Forums or just read reviews) and then go from there. This is assuming you have your high school maths of course, otherwise I guess start from there
Nicholas Gomez
Numberphile
Oliver Barnes
Guys, John Green knows that's not how infinity works, this is from an interview he gave somewhere, I think it might be in an FAQ on the website.
Q. You once mentioned that Hazel’s views on infinity was incorrect. Can you elaborate?
A. Well, Hazel is just flat wrong about infinity.
The infinite set between 0 and 1 is actually the same size as the infinite set between 0 and 2, so Hazel is technically incorrect.
(It is not easy to succinctly explain why this is, although this site does a reasonably good job—there, the example used is the set of positive integers being the same size as the set of all integers, but it’s the same principle.)
However, Van Houten is right* when he says that some infinities are bigger than other infinities. For instance, as proven by Cantor’s diagonal argument, the infinite set of real numbers is bigger than the infinite set of natural numbers.
So Hazel takes Van Houten’s correct observation and makes an intuitive but incorrect conclusion from it, albeit one that provides her with real and lasting comfort.
Oliver Lewis
sure sounds like he got BTFO and is covering his ass after the fact
Adam Diaz
I think it's funny that you all complain about the character being pretentious, and then shit on the writer when he makes her say something factually incorrect, which pretentious teenagers do all the time.
I mean your comment was a perfect example of that.
Levi Morgan
Yep.
Here's realistic dialog OP.
I have committed to crossing my legs I hope carefully, ankle on knee, hands together in the lap of my slacks. My fingers are mated into a mirrored series of what manifests, to me, as the letter X. The interview room's other personnel include: the University's Director of Composition, its varsity tennis coach, and Academy prorector Mr. A. deLint. C.T. is beside me; the others sit, stand and stand, respectively, at the periphery of my focus. The tennis coach jingles pocket-change. There is something vaguely digestive about the room's odor. The high-traction sole of my complimentary Nike sneaker runs parallel to the wobbling loafer of my mother's half-brother, here in his capacity as Headmaster, sitting in the chair to what I hope is my immediate right, also facing Deans.
Henry Sanders
I never said anything about the character being pretentious, I just think John Green is pretentious. And the statement he made is something that I'm sure 95% of Americans believe, and like 85-90% of the rest of the world would as well. It's not as if a fucking teenager would get the reference that the mathematics in the book was off. It seems way more likely to me that John Green made a mistake. It's not really a big deal, authors do it all the time. There are few authors who have a comprehensive understanding of mathematics and the sciences and reference them without making any mistakes. Hell, DFW made all sorts of blunders regarding chemistry in IJ, but it's not as if anyone really cared all that much.
William Ross
Post more rare John's
Wyatt Hall
>dialog
Isaac Wright
Rolling
Carter Gomez
Not that guy but tried to add a lot edge. Hope y'all like.
i dont like any of john green's hack shit but seriously, what the fuck does "that's not how people talk" even mean? how the fuck would you know how a pretentious literary teenager might talk? do you think the dialogue in any of your favourite meme novels is "authentic" or does the bulletproof irony shield protect them from that criticism?
Charles Morgan
This if you're just generally curious.
Ian Davis
because the notion that any feelings within a single mind is infinite is a farce
Chase Wilson
"This baby toy was not for me." - Veeky Forums on john gree
>the fucking filename way underrated
James Hill
Would we be in agreement on that John is a Reddit tier author?
Brayden Perez
There could be infinite dicks in your cheerios every morning.
Levi Gomez
Or one dick of infinite length.
Michael Foster
Nobody talks like a character in a Dostoyevsky novel does, does that makes his books bad?
Thanks. It's my "I haven't slept in 2 days" aesthetic
Carson Taylor
Because he has people talk in a way that's dumb and overly peculiar while framing them as geniuses, when he should have framed them as idiots. See: Seinfeld.
Charles Watson
Why did John Green have to ruin the Mountain Goats for me?
Lucas Brooks
>how the fuck would you know how a pretentious literary teenager might talk? Because I used to be one and they don't love themselves this much. This is how hippies who hang out at the all night bowling alley talk to each other. Pretentious literary teenagers aren't cheerful.
Gabriel Foster
Gold.
Liam Powell
There are larger and smaller infinite sets. The set of all natural numbers is twice as large as all odd natural numbers but they are both infinite.
Alexander Fisher
>Crime And Punishment audiobook in the background
Juan Lewis
noo
Luis Brown
he is mostly wrong, it's correct that there are infinitely many numbers between 0 and 1, but one set of uncountably infinite numbers cannot be said to be bigger than another set of uncountably infinite numbers. math+philosophy major here
Eli Moore
Kek
Ian Bell
>Some infinities are bigger than other infinities
That's retarded
Matthew Ward
jesus fuck i couldn't even read that paragraph.
it's so bad, especially if you're used to classic lit
Dylan Wood
do you speak russian and if so, did you live in dostoyevski's era to know how people talked?
Joshua Martinez
>He writes like as if every teenager is some profound philosopher, you've been reading some bad phylosophy
Jackson Cook
Take a >(you).
Jordan Miller
You disagree?
Christian Hill
Not actually retarded, there are countable and uncountable infinities with the latter being much "larger", although the idea that some uncountable infinities are bigger than other uncountable infinities is retarded.
Austin Hill
>Because I used to be one and they don't love themselves this much. quit fooling yourself, they love themselves more than anyone
Liam Morris
He writes books for teenagers. He's not trying to be good, he's trying to make dosh. Why do you think he has the youtube channel as well? Free advertising. Less than free actually, since now he has a bunch of other channels that are even more popular. Gotta give it up, you know, it's hard being a white male these days, glad he got his hussle on
Caleb Young
no. Odd numbers are a subset of the natural numbers, true. But they have same size/cardinality since you can define a bijective mapping between them (x goes to 2x+1 / 2x+1 goes to x).
James Howard
>talking deep is unrealistic
>tfw I can still remember how my mother would start going on about Nietzsche if I was being a little pussy as a teen
I don't know if I should take that as a compliment or not.
Jose Ward
are u claiming you can create a bijective mapping between different aleph sets?
Gavin Barnes
Congrats guy you just posted the best meme in this thread.
Isaac Richardson
Someone please post the bit about the eggs and the user who rewrote it to sound like James Joyce
Jace Garcia
>Sometimes I do things like get in a taxi and say, Take me to the cheerios, and step on it.'
Xavier Ward
Who let Quentin Tarantino into the thread?
Liam Russell
Lets see that vocaroo brah
Jeremiah Ward
lol
Kayden Hughes
cantor
Christian Cook
Not loud/spergish enough though
Brayden Turner
Some infinities are bigger than others but the "infinity" between 1 and 2 is the same as the "infinity" between 1 and 3. This guy is a fucking retard, I can't believe that's published. A correct statement would be saying the cordiality (or "infinity) of the real numbers between 1 and 2 is larger than that of the rationals between 1 and 2.
William Sanchez
cardinality*. Spell check fucked me.
David Lewis
>When you came posting here, did you notice a sign on the banner that said Dead Meme Storage?
Kayden Rogers
bump
Owen Wood
I dont hate him but I hate the way he delivers shit. Also his books are lonely middle school girl/10
Lucas Jones
Rolls Royce
Jeremiah Morris
there is an infinite amount of time between each second. human beings regularly analyze and move through infinity creating an infinity of perception.
Christian Martin
>There are infinite numbers between 0 and 1. No there's not. *Potentially*, yes. Actually existing numbers, no.