Does free will exist?

I'd rather just plow her tight immaculate cunt.

>immaculate
>palo alto
Hello out of state friend.

>VIRGIN DETECTED

GET LAID LOSER

pfft.

Palo Alto, isn't that the one city in California all the rich Silicon Valley people live in? We both know she probably washes her coochie 6 times a day.

No, you're misunderstanding, I've been with plenty of girls. The ones from Palo Alto let you stick it anywhere mang.

of course not, friend.
why are there two threads about this?

Never read Less Than Zero?
[/spoiler]Its all true[/spoiler]

hook me up with one of them, lad, I need validation. I'm dying with loneliness and need a bit of faux affection.

Let's have a Veeky Forums California meet up.
We'll all dress like knockoff Karouacs and fuck everything that walks.

Way to fuck up the spoiler, also can't say I have.

It's all about rich California kids with AIDS.
You aren't missing anything.

Ok, cool. I've got too long of a backlog as is.

I was listening to a recording by Sam Harris while casually browsing /r/funnygifs and he said no. He's probably right, considering he's so much smarter than all of those Christian retards and regressive lefties.

Aye m80.
A pirate came to me in a dream and told me so.
You can eat all the fresh Palo Alto ass your will orders you to.

what do hot girls' buttholes even smell like?

Only if you have a metaphysical component, or soul, if you will.

Hot girls don't poop so probably whatever kind of perfume they wear.

Reminder that she's Jaden Smith's fucktoy.

so that's a no then?

>implying the thought of a hot girl grunting as she takes a huge shit isn't erotic as fuck

not that user, but what is the obsession with _kink_
99% of people will try shit like that and end up regretting it later because of how obviously disgusting it is.

Shut up and let me pee on you desu.

>implying

...

why would she do that to herself

so sad

>palo
>alto

Niggers are cool and get the highest quality white women.
While you were busy memeing about Pynchon and watching interracial cuckoldry porn, we were perfecting the skills (dribbling basket balls, free-styling) that signal our high value in this society. Evolve or die. Your best bet is to stop learning Ancient Greek immediately and go for Ebonics.

kek

Hey man.
I sleep with black girls.

In fact I do not like Pynchon (I am fan of Shakespeare, Tolstoy, Aeschylus, Montaigne, Chekhov - If you wonder what I'm doing here at Veeky Forums) and I have a beautiful girlfriend (she looks like a young Audrey Hepburn ).

And yes, I know you are trolling. Also, something tells me that you are not black, but whatever: I do not care.

Stay well .

Fuck off Jaden.

Oh, I forgot (I am this guy: )

This:is also true for me: I always liked black girls.

Who is she

Who said anything about race, jaden smith is simply a sissy annoying fag

...

>Niggers are cool and get the highest quality white women.

cuck

I feel bad for Will, he keeps hyping up jayen as the next him and seems to actually genuinely believe it will happen

Why'd you have to say that? That's like a /pol/ rally cry you fuck. They're going to overrun us now like t*rks.

>Niggers are cool and get the highest quality white women.
>niggers are desperate and will happily date fat ugly white women to satisfy their demented ass lust

NOT WHEN I'M AROUND THAT GIRLS PUSSY IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

literally the only post in this thread actually discussing free will and it's a fucking meme

>Veeky Forums

Free will isn't lit related, so fuck off. The Op got banned.

You are wrong my nigga, Jaden Smith gets what he gets because he is one of the highly sophisticated philosophes of our time.

tolstoy sucks

>Immaculate cunt.

Literally PornHub tier commenting my friend. Kill yourself. At least use some better terminology.

-Does free will exists Veeky Forums?
-Man I need to eat that girls butthole
-I bet it isn't even that clean
This for the rest of the thread
Wew lads, thanks.

This

>being this vanilla
>not having girl's ass and pussy for breakfast

lmao @ your life pleb

No free will does not exist
You're essentially just watching the move of your life unfold with absolutely no control
You don't choose what you see, or what you hear, or what you feel. Thoughts are the same, you don't choose what you think, what you think just suddenly appears in conscious, prompted by either experience or the subconscious. In addition to have no control over what you think, you have no control over what you do or decide to do.
When your driving a car, and you daydream the entire drive, and not think about any of the actions you had to take for the whole course, most people immediately accept this as obvious and natural. "Yeah dude you just go on auto-pilot like with most motor-control"
Now think about that for a second, you could steer and manage gears without any thought at all. This is pretty much your entire life, the only difference between the "daydreaming" and the "feeling in control" is whether your conscious is focusing on your actions or not. But either way, your actions play out as normal.
In addition to movement, concentrate next time you need to make a decision, and witness the actual experience of making it.
Say you go to the fridge, and are choosing between a sandwich or noodles. The pros and cons of both are just fed to your mind, and after a while of essentially just going braindead not thinking, one will just click as the answer. How did you make this decision? You didn't really do anything, it sort of just happened.
This is the reality for every decision, thought, and action you've ever made. They all simply just "happen". So get comfy in your head up there and enjoy the right, and just hope (in a completely figurative sense) that you determinism plays out well.

movie**
having**

ride*

I typed that to quickly, not that I had a say

This is all bullshit
I chose noodles because I felt like noodles

> I felt like noodles
Right, you felt it.

Okay disregarding the ad hominem
Why did you feel like noodles? Did you decide that? No, there was an unexplainable innate desire for noodles over a sandwich. This of course is only unexplainable from a conscious perspective, the real reason would be complex biological determinants such as lower levels of sodium than iron/zinc/copper etc making your subconscious decide noodles to be the more beneficial option, and then feeding that decision to your conscious experience creating the illusion that you made it. Then your hands and mouth go on auto-pilot and consume it. This has pretty much all been confirmed experimentally btw

who cares if free will exist.

the only way to determine if free will exists, would be to go back in time and change an action. sinse that isn't possible, just enjoy the ride and stop concerning yourself with your part in it.

only if you want it too user

I know this sounds fedora but I figured out there can be no free will once I became familiar with the concept of causality, I was like 12 years old.
It baffles me there are grown-ass dudes out there who cannot understand that there is no free will.

Even if you pretend the world isn't entirely deterministic, you don't even have free will over your thoughts, every thought you have seems to occur completely random.
Just try to predict the next thought or the next decision that will arise in your consciousness, you just can't.
What I'm saying is, even if there is no deterministic root behind the arising of thoughts, you still have 0.00% control over it.

There is no free will fuck offffff

nigga I suggest you study up real hard on the amygdala.

if free will didn't exist then everytime we got a boner we'd just whip it out and beat off right then and there, and any time we felt hungry we'd just take some food without paying for it.

if free will didn't exist then addicts would be abolutly hopeless and there wouldn't be any 12 steps or drug treatment.
but people get over addictions, and we have those.

yes I know its rare and relapses are even more common, but there are people who beat the addiction through focus and force of will.

also take some mindfulness courses

you can defintly control your thinking.

>im breathing
>im thinking about the sensation of my chest expanding and collapsing
>my next thought will be this

Even mice can wean themselves of an addiction. You can predict if a mouse will continue using a substance or try to quit by referring to his environment. Therefore the environment plays a more crucial role in decision in regards to addiction.

but who chooses to change the environment?

>even mice
Ah, the old fallacy in which we pretend animals are incapable of thought and willpower like good Abrahamic keks.
Also, those predictions are not 100% accurate.

>if free will didn't exist then everytime we got a boner we'd just whip it out and beat off right then and there, and any time we felt hungry we'd just take some food without paying for it.

It's interesting to see how ignorant people can be, while believing themselves to be educated.

You're on mount stupid, user.

>pic related

Im totally going to agree with and let your comment stand on its own without levying any sort need of feedback on what I SAID rather than WHO I am.

seriously educate me
its why Im here.

Nah, women just smell like food because they belong In the _______

>Do you believe in free will?
I have no choice

If you don't get the point he's making then you really are incredibly stupid

The irony here is delicious.

>seriously educate me
I just have to finish burning my life savings in a big ol bonfire first.

Ok, babes.

We are animals whose behaviour is governed by genetic and environmental programming, stored in the form of particular nucleotide arrangements and neural networks that correspond to our genetic code and an array of psychological mechanisms crafted by the processes of natural selection.

These psychological mechanisms govern an array of behavioural programs, which developed in response to the adaptive problems humans faced throughout their evolutionary history.

Many of these programs conflict with one another and the elaborate mosaic they form upon interacting with one another and the external environment is what produces an individual's behaviour.

The reason the average person wouldn't 'whip it out' in public upon feeling the urge to masturbate is because to do so would be a social taboo.

Mechanisms related to social prestige, self-esteem (self-assessment of one's mate value), in-group mentality and the web of culturally mediated negative association heavily conflict with such an urge; therefore, it is unlikely to occur and only rarely observed.

Competing programs mediate out behaviour; therefore, your example is not only naïve but ultimately fallacious.

Oh and in case you're interested, free will is an illusion.

Do you ever try to juxtapose your libido's view of women with a stripped-down "realist" view of them? Like, really let your mind flood with vivid, colorful imagery of how you want to take this girl in front of you at the bus stop and pull down her jean shorts and spread her buttcheeks apart and smell her asshole, and then try to hang on to that entire thought while also thinking
>She's just an ape. Another ape, like me. She's 99% similar to me but her hormones are slightly different so she has slightly less angular features. She's basically a guy. A guy ape. She's just a male ape with a rounder face. There are even men with feminine features, so it's not unique to them. There is no feminine quintessence. She is just an ape. I want to smell an ape's asshole. But I find "man ape" asshole repellent. But she is functionally a man ape, subtype-B. I want to lick the shitting hole of a genderless ape.

make love to me

and you seem to be reiterating without explaining.

how does my reasoning that if determinism were true we would have no self control over our baser instincts?
and we would be ruled by our hormones

so how do we choose what "programs" to follow?

what happens when you are confronted with a rock and a hard place?
or
two evils
or
coke or pepsi
or what to study in college
or choosing to go to a nude beach versus a clothed beach?

and if proving free will is merely rising above the establishment or social norms then I would say free will is rare, or aquired rather than inherent.
but definitely not an illusion .

no you can only rearticulate the structures that are always and only exist within you.

there is no escaping, and probably literally everything is ideology

sounds pretty utilitarian to me

last I checked not even our political system is utilitarian

>be yourself

>so how do we choose what "programs" to follow?

We don't choose.

The 'choice' is already made and the it is the experience of choice that is the illusion.

How one responds to any given stimuli will be determined by their genetic and environmental programming.

We work on a stimulus-response/input-output basis.

What we know to be consciouss awareness is essentially an internal simulation, which is fed information regarding responses/actions/output after they have been executed.

Our actions are 'decided' before we become aware of them.

>The reason the average person wouldn't 'whip it out' in public upon feeling the urge to masturbate is because to do so would be a social taboo.
And yet plenty of other social taboos like theft, rape, adultery can be justified with "I couldn't help it".

>which is fed information regarding responses/actions/output after they have been executed.

>he thinks the arm reflex experiments prove fatalism

>he thinks the arm reflex experiments prove fatalism

Alien Hand Syndrome*

And no, no I do not.

I'm not talking about the Alien Hand Syndrome though. The appearance of impulses before cognition has been observed and recorded. It doesn't prove fatalism.

It's crazy how short it is to explain your whole life and how much people would better themselves and be happier just knowing this.

Women are so far to realise this it makes them easy to play with like small toys.

Oh and I like to eat ass.
Since there are others here with the same taste, how long do you wait to just lick it with passion when in a serious relationship ?

you are basic

>And yet plenty of other social taboos like theft, rape, adultery can be justified with "I couldn't help it"

I'm going to have to explain everything to you, aren't I?

Ok at the neuroscientific level, dopamine mediated goal pursuit programs mediated human striving/desire.

Now let’s look at adultery…

If a mechanism corresponding to short-term mating strategy is triggered by environmental stimuli and subsequently one’s dopamine mediated goal pursuit circuitry fires up, then providing the rush of dopamine, glutamate and norepinephrine is sufficient enough to eclipse the negative association relating to the act of infidelity the individual is likely to engage in said short term mating strategy.

The individual may resist the urge to pursue such a goal numerous times; however, cognitive dissonance typically implies that if the urge persists and is particularly intense, then the individual will yield to it.

It’s a case of competing routines and which ones win depends on the degree of neural energy afforded to them.

The consequences of such an act are also resultant of competing routines, in relation to both the individual and their long term mate.

For example, on the part of the cheater: guilt reinforcing long term mating and shame reinforcing societal norms.

On the part of the long term mate: anger and grief acting to negatively reinforce such behaviour, perhaps desire to enact revenge and possibly the desire to terminate the relationship.

>how much people would better themselves and be happier just knowing this.
Only simpletons like yourself.

>fatalism

I don't see anybody arguing fatalism ITT.

Predeterminism ≠ fatalism.

The answer is "dependent co-arising". your existence, including all of your actions, thoughts and responses, springs into existence simultaneously with the entire universe you are observing and interacting with. each, your consciousness and the entirety of existence, are dependent on each other for their creation. with the caveat that all of your being is entirely dependent on the unknowable manifestations of reality, you are being endowed with free will. remember, of course, that you originally chose, at the beginning of time, to have numerous unconscious or instinctual reactions that pretty much control you. those, you can make more conscious, if you try. the desire to try to be more conscious is also innate, as the desire to merge with all and become superconscious is what drives all of existence. what that state may be like is entirely unknowable to us in the present, but we can experience glimpses of it at any moment if we let ourselves do so.
And i would definitely eat her ass out, along with her pussy, and come buckets down her soft warm throat.

>Would like a taste
Perfectly understandable within the fantasy of a loving stable relationship etc etc
>as well
Pure degeneracy