That should be required for all people majoring in a STEM field. I'll start with 3:
1) Classical philosophy (Socrates invented the scientific method)
2) Debate (particularly involving logical fallacies)
3) Ethics (should be fairly obvious why this should be included)
Some good links to check out:
youtube.com
csun.edu
youtube.com
Writting and reading comprehension.
Personal Hygiene should be required for all CS majors
This !
Include a minimum exercise program
Or
How not to be lard whale.
Heh
>philosophy
Literally a waste of time. No scientist or engineer will become a better scientist or engineer by reading philosophy.
>Debate
Mathematicians in training are constantly writing arguments down so this is useless. Most scientists and engineers in university have to do the same but on a smaller scale, which is enough.
"General debate" is useless and we are all good because debate forms a part of every STEM course at some level. You always have to argue for something.
>Ethics
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Non stem courses that should be required in stem:
Technical writing in two languages.
That's it.
Then you will become a a.n.t
Autonomous non tinking
Humans are supposed to be able to work in many levels ,both social and technical
Expeciallization is for insects.
You learn socializing by socializing. People have friends, partners and family. You learn socialization by interacting with them.
We don't need autist-accomodating courses that teach socialization. Just go read a book on how to lose your virginity.
>autism
This is the key word
Autistic people need detailed instructions,
Theach them the basics and they will do just ok.
So because some people are autistic we should have mandatory classes on how to cure autism?
It is not even like if autists were a majority. They are like the 1%.
Why don't we also have classes on how to do math with only one hand with 2 fingers? There are some people out there who've lost their arm and most of the fingers in their remaining hand so we better accomodat ethem!
You know, teach them the basics and they will do jus tok.
The point is: This is a course needed only by a niche population so leave it as an optional course. Maybe if you want the SAT should have an autism part and if you test positive for autism then it is mandatory for you.
>stem
>non autistic
Pick one
I am just being practical, besides the basic principles of phylosophy will improve any practice regardless of the background,
Music practice improve math skills
Math skills help music practices
Having a explicit set of social rules will help anyone to function properly in any tribal setting.
>you'll turn from an autist into an outgoing success because you took a class in old greek fags
yeah no
If you want this kind of result, what you need is a course in social psych, which we had in my engineering school.
That's how you become a ruseman.
>being this much of a brainlet twat
Is it any wonder why people who actually study mathematics, science, or engineering past the undergraduate level avoid Veeky Forums like the plague? There are more on Veeky Forums and Veeky Forums than there are on Veeky Forums.
>using the meme definition of autism
wew
You learn social working by going through the fire of defending your student project in front of industry partners, not by sitting in an amphitheatre learning about le ebin aristotle metaphysics.
We don't need ruse man's
We need to teach basic setting's of a basic good non harmful citizens.
Practical teaching on debate should be mandatory.
>Pick one
No, I think I picked both way before you even starting shitposting.
> the basic principles of phylosophy will improve any practice regardless of the background
Good, send your students an email telling them to watch crash course philosophy. That will be enough for the basic principles, right?
>Music practice improve math skills
What the actual fuck? Is this another meme? Is this memes?
>Math skills help music practices
I am majoring in math specifically and for good reason and yet my hands are still shaky and I am still mediocre at playing instruments.
So yeah, this is memes.
>Having a explicit set of social rules will help anyone to function properly in any tribal setting.
This is autism? There are no explicit set of social rules. Social rules change in context and you should be able to flow through society. Learning a list of "social rules" will do nothing for you because not a single rule applies in every single social context.
They avoid it because at the post-undergraduate level there isn't much to talk about. I mean, even talking about group theory will at most attract 10 people into your thread. Anything beyond that and no one will know.
Philosophy and literature and hobbies some autists enjoy and you never lose your hobby regardless of your skill level at it.
>set theory, logic and foundations of mathematics
>some form of wide ranging pure maths covering calculus, real analysis, and complex algebra
>discrete maths, statistics
>BONUS: Mechanics, linear algebra
This is bullshit. No one needs most of these courses except for mathematicians.
I actually study mathematics and I fucking know that set theory, logic and foundations of mathematics is completely useless for everyone else.
Let physicists and engineers assume the existence of numbers and their arithmethic properties without proof. It hurts no one man. Nobody really needs these things unless they want to be mathematicians.
lul
knowing what sways people is the first step to not get swayed yourself, especially by your own brain
For the academic environment you need to learn the proper way to address your arguments,
You can and should have a common frame to share your experiences and thoughts on any matter.
You learn the Greeks becose they have a way, the way of the polis.
Specialisation is for insects , learning multiple interconectet science's will improve your general understanding of the matter
Music is math in movement
Fractions are relations ,just like the musical notes.
Physists could only do two semesters on logic, to weed out the brainlets
It's unlikely that after uni they'll need 90% of what they learned
>all that entry level pop-philo and pop-solfège
kek
If you're gonna praise being a polymath, at least apply yourself.
1. Foreign language - very good especially if it's specialized, like "X-ch for physicists" or "Y-ian for engineers"
2. Philosophy - to know prejudices of old times and in turn, not to have excessive faith in philosophy of current times
3. PE - to be Veeky Forums irregardless of major
>it's a "math undergrads unironically think they are the only ones doing number theory" episode
>bachelor-level maths
>non-stem
ok mate
Polis = city.
I am arguing that stem autism need a clear set of social rules to work properly in any environment, especially a work environment.
Did you remember that guy in I.T.
Everyone seems to have histories with the weird guy from I.T.
If that guy received this kind of basic training the histories will be less weird.
I am expressing love and aproval for your excellent opinion!
>Polis = city.
Why do you point that out? I get a feeling you didn't understand what I wrote.
And again you're talking about general socialization that happens when doing project. Learning about fucking maieutics does nothing to help you socialize.
This stuff is so basic it doesn't need to be taught. You're not studying gender studies, you're studying goddamn STEM to become a scientist, this shit is far below you, which is why Veeky Forumsfags that don't shitpost can argue well in most discussions both here and on Veeky Forums, without having to dedicate courses on it. Reading into philosophy beyond these basics is left at each person's discretion.
Those "ant" working researchers are not any more "brainless slaves" than history/humanities academics. In fact, if they dedicated the time to study the same things Veeky Forums academics do they would wipe the floor with them. They just choose to study things that both interest them more or fields that are substantially useful to humanity.
Knowledge + practice = mastery
I just read an article from the Hart Research Associates titled, "it takes more than a major". 320ish ceo/employers were surveyed
93% of the surveyed employers value critical thinking and reasoning as the MOST important skill
85ish% I think valued broad education emphasizing liberal arts, ethics, and you guessed it, communication.
the 11 key points the article covered all had something to do with liberal education and problem solving
aacu.org
boring, but may be useful for all you pretentious college freshman. keep in mind it is only a survey
and to add, the survey revealed that competence in foreign language was considered the least important out of all skills
kek
and I want to advise you on that arrogant behaviour of yours
it's well-known that Veeky Forumsence deals with phenomena only which merely requires application of law of sufficient reason, i.e. a deterministic framework, inherent in every man (although we have uncertainty, indeterminism and free willy memes, they do not interfere nor discredit the framework, namely search for causes of events and changes)
now, philosophy deals with object of quite different realm, inadmissible by the scientific framework, and require a different organisation of mind
tl;dr: philosophy is not for everyone and you won't succeed by forcing people to study it, especially on Veeky Forums
You + your posts = cringe
And in that case, the knowledge you are thinking about is social psych, not baseless speculation from dead greeks.
>93% of the surveyed employers value critical thinking and reasoning as the MOST important skill
that's math then
>psychology
>better than speculation
memes aside, I really do think every non-stem major should take at least on course on combinatorics and probability
it doesn't require much background and will teach these fags how your opinion is always wrong
>bruh whats your major
>bro speculation YOU KNOW IT
>sheit dude I took the intro it was way harder than psych broo
You probably don't even know what compliance theory is.
>you probably don't even know what [insert irrelevant shitty "theory"] is
so fallacious, SAVAGE
get socially but not argumentatively rekt son
Something Aristotle bullshitted as well as any psychological """"""""""""""""""""scientist."""""""""""""""""""""
>woah bruh you should totally learn how to handle social situations
>BUT DON'T LEARN IT FROM PEOPLE WHO DID EMPIRICAL TESTING OF THEIR THEORIES LUL
>shittalks a field
>doesn't know anything about it
mmmhhhhh
No. There is enough useless shit forced on students in high school. Humanities will have to find some other form of funding.
>empirical
>massive reproducability crisis
>observational studies with little control, or even awareness, of confounding variables
Take your pedophile cartoons back to .
that's not an argument you fucking idiot
i don't need to read every old scroll to dismiss theology, astrology, metaphysics or alchemy
I already have a brain which is literally the best tool to handle empirical knowledge and most of all social situation related knowledge, i don't need your half assed "studies"
> the way of the polis
Sumer was the first, but Greek polis really didn't do much. Seriously, in totality 'Greek' argumentation is totally ridiculous and fallacious by modern standards. Just about any ancient reasoning is.
I'm sure they made mirror-sun-ray guns and wooden flying pidgeons that could fly for 500 meters. Maybe more philosophy would solve cold fusion.
>every old scroll
It's nothing obscure. If you don't know about compliance you've never even read an introduciton to soc psych
You do know that science is a type of philosophy, right? Empiricism is one form of attaining knowledge about the world; Newton was a "natural philosopher"
Writing. For the love of god writing. Every major should be forced to take an intensive analytical writing class. Having to frame your data in language should not be the end of the world, and yet it is for a bunch of undergrads and even some grad students
I think that a lot of STEM majors could benefit from a public speaking course; I took one, and it is one of the better decisions I made about my education. It forced me to face my fears, and get up in front of people; not to mention some of the skills I learned come in handy during regular conversation e.g. pacing my speech, techniques for dealing with anxiety, etc.
>You do know that science is a type of philosophy, right?
typical philosotard thinking his mental masturbation has anything to to with science
>being this ignorant
But anonnn we were just starting to have funnnn
This. I know lab reports are supposed to remedy this but many students need extra help.
I'm gonna add Critical Reading to this. A lot of people seem to have trouble reading the same article from multiple viewpoints and extracting the maximum amount of information from it
STEM is the study of reality (all that is real) Math is a just a useful fiction
4. See God in everything.
>Math is a just a useful fiction
Just a tip guys:
When someone says mathematics is a fiction or something of that type you can regard them as an absolute subhuman piece of uneducated garbage.
Drink bleach, faggot.
>3 philosophy classes
That's not sufficient.
This. I've worked with persons that can barely build a paragraph.
1 sociology course
2 speech courses
1 advanced composition class
the only serious argument for mathematical platonism is the indispensability argument, which is wrong. math is not indispensable to science. read hartry field's science without numbers: the defence of nominalism
Yo where can I get a copy of this?
...for a friend
You said it
>Learn multiple sciences
Sciences, that is the key word.
And natural sciences. Plus knowing your way around a computer.
Honestly, programming is much more applicable to the workforce than any social science or literature class.
Ehmmm
Nope
Science is incredibly different from philosophy
For starters, science is built around the premises
>The world exists
>We can understand how it works and predict future events with that information
Science has laws, formulas, and models that correctly predict future events and so have greatly improved human live.
Philosophy, however, is still lost in the Idealism v. Empiricism.
Read Kant if you want to know more.
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Go back to school, brainlet. And try actually reading a book instead of jerking off onto your "trivial" Physics I homework.
lol make them take astrology :)
To actually answer OP's question:
1) Philosophy - premium on Logic, Ethics and a special class on Holism vs Reductionism
There's a lot of fucking bad science out there. Less than 40% replication rate on psychology. Meaningless, inapplicable experiments that can't teach us anything, because methodology was total shit. Science, right now, has a problem with over-reducing systems. It works well in Physics, Chemistry and even a lot of Biology, but if we really want to answer the deep questions regarding Psychology, the Social Sciences, the nature of intelligence and consciousness, we need some philosophical direction. Science without direction is just useless data - white noise.
The fields which we should pay close attention to in the next few decades - Cognitive Science, Neuroscience, Systems Biology, Computer Science. These areas are the future, and it will happen when Reductionism AND Holism find their place in the scientific method.
Okay, that was my spiel. Here are the others:
2) Classic Literature. But they should stop fucking testing you on it and just make you read the books and understand them instead of checking spark notes.
3) Technical Writing. I SUFFERED on my lab reports initially and I did quite well in my liberal arts writing classes. It's just a different skill and it's not well taught.
And you realize that those premises that science is built around IS LITERALLY philosophy, right? Science is a type of philosophy.
Why do science undergrads fight against this idea so hard? If you're a scientist, you're a philosopher of the natural world. Deal with it.
You realize you just tried to argue that science is incredibly different from philosophy by defining the epistemological method that Science uses to justify itself as a system that can represent wordly knowledge, right?
This so much
This- STEM folk need the ability to interpret and create pieces that need capable interpreters. The ability to function in STEM requires this as a prerequisite, but it is assumed that most people who enter into a university setting have them (which they do not).
you are right and those who think otherwise picked philosophy as a major and are now trying to justify a decision they regret
Oooh how I thank you user
>Socrates invented the scientific method
This is completely untrue you stupid faggot. He didn't even build the classical framework that would eventually lead to the creation of the modern scientific method.
Yep, and it happens that the system works.
I have nothing against Philosophy, I have taken a couple classes about logic myself in college but:
>Only took them because of interest
>Did not learn anything applicable from them
On the other hand, STEM classes are specifically designed towards applicability, that is why they are so successful.
Literally all of that is included in the only mandatory class that's not related to your studies at my uni. ntnu.edu
They say those are the most important because STEM subjects are assumed to be understood.
It is very simple: You will never an Engineering job with a liberal arts degree.
Why? Because you simply do not know how to do it.
But he did. It is known.
Critical thinking
The number of students I fail, simply because they cannot reason from evidence is astounding.
I think of this as an extension of logic.
STEM students should be required to take a basic art class, so they learn to see the things that they look at
>That's it.
Contract Law and Intellectual Property
I think a writing class (perhaps in the English department) and a public speaking class would be beneficial.
Nothing else pops into my head.
I am a grad student in Philosophy and I wish STEM retards would stay away and stick to being engineering drones so they can slave their lives away in cubicles with their faggy "For Le Science!" meme STEM culture.
I'm tired of having to fail the fifth grade writing skills and fifth grade intellects of human calculators who think they're smart because they get B's in one sub-branch of a sub-branch of physics.
Keep to yourselves. If you go into STEM, you're already past the point of no return. You will never glimpse beauty or meaning or the grandeur of reality. You are destined to be slaves.
A class on how to not be a huge twat would be nice for engineers. I'm still in undergrad, yet my classmates keep calling themselves engineers. Also the amount of engineers and eng students who look down on other disciplines and non stem fields is ridiculous. It's like they haven't figured out that we need those people.
jim profit
Maybe in highschool, but not in STEM programs themselves
Philosophy is a spook.
Oh man. Thanks for the pasta. And for the keks. Give me my sides back whenever you feel like it.
>>philosophy
>Literally a waste of time
I fucking hate this Veeky Forums autist meme.
Philosophy allows you to think more clearly. It's thinking about thinking. Many of you have unexamined assumptions that you take as a given.
Philosophy is scary, user.