How do we end poverty?

youtube.com/watch?v=4Q37PrFYqHw
we need simply more capitalism, but most white people now want stupid socialism.

>Free market
>ending poverty

hoooooooly fuck

The free market is a delusion. It cannot work. The human species has tried this over and over, and it's time we stopped smashing our head against the wall acting like we don;t know better.

Your "invisible hand" nonsense is nothing but a pipe dream that's built to fall apart.

that's why nigeria's population is plummeting

soon only 40% of its population will be under the age of 15

mises.org/library/data-clear-free-markets-reduce-poverty

top kek

You wish. The truth is, this process actually only breeds worse and worse people that are less capable of seeing further than their own nose. You'd expect that if everybody slowly gets better at taking care of themselves (and only themselves), everybody would be better off, but this is not how poverty works. The problem is that there's always that bunch of people who are way better at it than the others, and that is what creates poverty. Even encouraging such behaviour is only worsening the situation and leaves humanity in a dead end.

What is poverty?

There will always be people poorer then others. (Don't even get started with communism because yes in a perfect communistic world everyone is equally wealthy but we don't live in a perfect world.) Anyway the definition of poverty will shift as the world wide condition change. Therefore there will almost certainly always be someone who in considert to live in poverty.

>a completely perfectly 100% egalitarian society is impossible therefore a world where one man is worth $100 billion while a billion people live on less a dollar a day is acceptable and we shouldn't do anything to try to alleviate such massive inequality

sick of this shit argument desu

You can't. Poverty is an arbitrary level of wealth. Since people will never have exactly equal levels of wealth, some will have less than others, and they'll be in poverty.

there's a definition of poverty though.
if you make less than two bucks per day, you're poor.

right now the global population of poor people is around 15%

thanks capitalism for solving it.

Those dirt poor people would often just waste whatever charity you give them.

Take the poor people in the US who, as soon as their welfare check comes in, run out and lease a new 4k TV.

Eliminate all humans. No humans, no poverty!

>the poor scrape together the money they get from welfare on a one time expense like a nice tv therefore we should cut welfare and just then let live in shanty towns instead
?????

youtube.com/watch?v=kYS7T9UMrsA

>europeans are giving millions of free shit to africans
>africans themselves are telling them to stop doing that
>free shit fucks their economies, because local producers can't compete with free shit
>blacks become lazy because everything now is free
>the few africans who are willing to take their people off poverty are telling europeans to fuck off with free shit

socialism was a mistake.

Eugenics

>wealth is a fixed pie
>a man can only be rich by making others poor
>the distribution of wealth is not related to the production of wealth
I'm sick of these retarded memes.

The free market naturally leads to communism so in a sense the free market will do it.

>this is what commies believe

Charity is actually a symptom of capitalism. This problem in Africa is caused by progressive liberals being allowed to give symbolic gifts to feel better about themselves rather than an organised effort of structural change. It is a free market problem.

Poverty isn't important, happiness is. Those who are starving and not because of poor choices but instead because they live in shitty places, their needs would best be served by dying out.

Capitalism is incompatible with advanced stages of automation because there will no longer be enough workers to pay wages who can then go on to buy stuff companies make.

This cycle only functions with high levels of employment and a solid middle class. Both of these are inevitably in decline at the moment.

If you want to 'save' capitalism you need measures like basic income and the like. Capitalism will have to compromise more in order to slow its own demise.

How much longer do you think pic related can go on before people start chimping out?

>in b4 it's crony capitalism

"crony capitalism" is just code for "capitalism when it begins to make me feel uncomfortable"

capitalism will always destroy itself deal with it

Pass a law that says:

If you own more than a million dollars and you die then at least have of your money will go to a government program that will just literally redistribute the wealth. This program will calculate the bottom 10% of people and then just divide the sum being donated by that amount of people and then give that to each individual.

>They will just hide this money

Ammendment #1: If no money is found then your assets will be sold and the wealth redistributed, plus every member of your family gunned down in the streets in front of the free people.

That will do.

except pretty much all those billionaires are first generation and pretty much their fortunes are wasted two generations.

>he doesn't know wealth is generated, not stolen

>The human species has tried this over and over, and it's time we stopped smashing our head against the wall acting like we don;t know better.

The Free market is modern invention. Yet mercantilism (ie. proto-socialism) are ancient systems. And if there's anything that has been tired over and over again with no avail, it's socialism/communism. Capitalism has been proven to bring countries from poverty to riches (US, Russia, China).

This. Capitalism, if too successful, becomes self-sabotaging once the wealthy enter an upward spiral where they use their money to change the rules to allow themselves to make more money which they can then use to further change the rules... and so on. Because these individuals only care about their own personal wealth, they don't care that they are destroying the long-term sustainability of the system that allows them to become wealthy in the first place. Without outside intervention, this leads to the economic structure becoming so fragile that eventually it collapses.

The housing market collapse was a good example of this. Without the bailout, many of the banks would have destroyed themselves and brought the rest of the economy down with them because they cared more about making a huge amount of money in 2 years as opposed to a tidy profit for 20.

lol @humanity

>the jobs that exist now are the only jobs that will ever exist
>automation will take care of everything
wew

>thanks capitalism for solving it.

You're welcome. Look at poverty jn communist regimes and tell menyou prefer that.
Face it, socialism/communism ignores human nature to the point even Marx had to say that we had to improve human nature for it to work and it could only be feasible after Capitalism ran its natural course and countries didn't exist amymore. In other words, IT'S A FUCKING FAIRY TALE. People will always divide themselves.

>poverty to riches (US, Russia, China).
>Russia
kek
the average monthly wage in Russia is $300/month and the entire economy is controlled by nine oligarchs. oh and we don't even have to get into how the infrastructure is crumbling, how it has the highest rates of child homelessness and heroin use, and how only Africa beats it in hiv rates

All of which is due to nearly a century of communism. Capitalism brought the country out of ruins into a superpower.

There are more people ruled by communism than any other type of government.

>Capitalism brought the country out of ruins into a superpower.
it's the other way around friend. Capitalism turned the superpower that was the USSR into the barely regional power that is Russia.

Open a book kiddo.

Get rid of all currency. Only trade goods and services are allowed.

Why contain it? Let it spread over to the schools and churches.

>more population means it's better
That must be why Americans and Europeans are flooding into China and India

we need to get rid of comunism.

In case you didn't know it's already the case in almost every first world country.

>China
>communist

jej

Most russians are still not wasting their life shitposting on imageboards . Really makes you think, sometimes, doesn't it? Not too much, though, don't get your brain damaged.

>The problem is that there's always that bunch of people who are way better at it than the others, and that is what creates poverty. Even encouraging such behaviour is only worsening the situation and leaves humanity in a dead end.
if our bottom tier retards were the same intelligence as our best scientists we would be lightyears ahead in every fucking field.

even the bottom retards would be living a comfortable life.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_China

Are you uneducated or something?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China

mass redistribution of wealth
everyone gets the same amount, and we start again

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China
>Modern-day China is mainly characterized as having a market economy based on private property ownership,[273] and is one of the leading examples of state capitalism.[274][275]

Frankly, I'd have a laugh if I wasn't aware that there are people on this site who don't understand basic politics.

>le wikipedia generation

Kill yourselves before history will swallow you anyway. Do the right thing here!

Economic democracy, regulation on exploitation of other countries. If it's not regulated, the poor will regulate it through migration, social breakdown, and terrorism.

Hey man if the communist party of China says they're communist it means that they are like communist man. Next you're gonna tell me the Democratic People's Republic of Korea isn't democratic.

>le wikipedia is always wrong even when it says water is wet meme
kys

Yeah. This is why you invest in things like infrastructure bonds, education, and job creation.

This requires a political solution, a healthy mix of socialism and capitalism.

>le I go to le wikipedia and can't even read the fucking article through

Either kys your self right now or wait till you'll inevitably die. Both are fine by me. ttl

youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg

What do you mean by a "political" solution?

They even gave you a hint with the whole "People's Republic". Too subtle for your genius, it seems. Also, quit it, you don't have a sense of humor, you autist.

How naive. Humans are mostly assholes. Poverty exists because people are pretty fucking okay with the idea of having more than they need at the expense of others.

By the way, you can't, not ever, make humanity uniform. There will always be variance.

Make incentive for leaders of poverty struck nations to centralize authority and enforce the rule of law, namely property rights.

Remove incentive of other entities who would circumvent and destroy this process for their own gain.

Altruism is counter intuitive to the monkey mind, but it can be trained.

Economic stress is better than using force, I think.

Remove the concept of currency.

make poverty illegal.

How equality is achieved?

Everyone is paid the exact sme

Everyone can only buy the exact same kind of clothing or shoes and the allowed quantity.

Everyone lives in the same kind of house, literally every house is built exactly.

Everyone is given the same food portions but not as a group like say a family but individually, although this may screw over fatasses who cares.

Everyone will work different jobs and possibly have to be threatened to death to find the motivation to do their job.

I'm not sure what your point exactly is.

human extinction, when no one is alive no one can be poor.

lmfao, you're an idiot.Probably younger of age, not quite 20 underage b&.

'Concept of Currency' is just another way of stating exchange of value.

I'm half expecting some kind of marxism out of you pretty quick here.

Everyone of whom I have ever met or read about, when saying something about money being evil and greed and other such nonsense, tend to simply not have a firm grasp of how the world works, much less how value is exchanged.

What you label as greed, another disconnected individual values as efficiency. Greed may have never entered the equation.

I'm NOT saying "Greed doesn't exist". What I AM saying, is that decisions are made in disconnection with their consequences to try and improve on something valued.

Before you get upset, I agree with you. That disconnect is a bad thing.

Are they greedy? could be.
Is money evil? No. it's an exchange of value. Just like how you trade your time for some kind of value in return. (Could be wages, could be the food you grow, could be the children you raise, all are something that could be valuable to you that you felt was worth exchanging time for.)

We already can. Have had the ability to do so for a while (without anything retarded like communism or libertarianism).

We just don't.

Because that's what it means to be human.

orly?
And what, pray tell, is our means of ending poverty that is already within our grasp?

>Have had the ability to do so for a while (without anything retarded like communism or libertarianism).
What solution would you propose? Charity?

Equality refers to equality of opportunity, not outcome. The kind of equality you are referring to is quickly coming to fruition, or already has come to fruition in various degrees, under capitalism.

It's a simple fact that we produce enough food and wealth in order to end poverty.

The solution is really irrelevant.

We just suck. The end.

not him, but education is the first step.

not free shit, but teaching basic skills to poor people, many of them are farmers using ineficient techniques.

small loan institutions, farmers coops.
help to local entrepreneurs.

you know.
FUCKING CAPITALISM.

Kill all niggers.

>FUCKING CAPITALISM.
kek. capitalism in the third world means paying them $3 a day to work in a sweatshop then paying local criminal gangs to beat them up when they go on strike. then shutting the factory down and moving to the next third world shithole when labor becomes too expensive ($4 a day with two bathroom breaks).

idiot

You're calling communism or libertarianism retarted but mention no alternative economic structure for the distribution of this food and wealth.

Makes it seem like you're the most retarded one. As long as we don't have a viable means of distribution we don't have the ability to solve poverty.

It's like saying you have the means to be rich because there is a lot of money in the world, but how to actually become the owner of that money is irrelevant to the problem.

It's pretty silly, boyo.

>You're calling communism or libertarianism retarted but mention no alternative economic structure for the distribution of this food and wealth.
Yup.

Ending poverty is impossible because money is variable concept.

you have no idea dumbass.
read sowell.

Well, yeah, depending on where you define poverty I suppose. But now we're starting to move into a discussion on semantics.

We all intuitively understand what 'poverty' means.

Implying human suffering is even relevant. Please explain why humanity is a goo thing on even the scale of the solar system? Why is it important to block human experience from happening? Experience is the only argument that can be made that is pro humanity and it can't be pick and choose, literally the only thing that is important is that humanity experience all it possibly can, on a universal scale

Glad you're not in charge of any actual research then, friend.

>dude we can cure cancer but we just don't let's not try to solve it because we just suck the end

I can't help but feel that human suffering is very relevant to me. If you don't feel that way, then you don't, I don't care.

Well, if you're going to pull an analogy out your ass I might as well smear it all over the walls.

We have the cure to cancer. We just don't use it.

How do you arrive at experience being inherently good?

If it's not the kys that's how

Non-experience is inherently unproblematic.

So I'm right

Ordinary people are not amoral, but the most they can do it follow some kind of sentimentalism, overreaction to one problem that affected them in particular or faux-moral spooks. If you want to motivate them to follow some lofty goal you can only really focus on things that are highly influential, not a complex plan.

How what's your end game? Your saying you want to just end human suffering? If you need the hypothetical suffering of some today the standard of suffering would just be raised and would iterated until we are so focused on being fair that real progress never gets made

No easy answer.

A mix of automation and starving out the ultra poor countries. The ultra poor and ultra uneducated are unable to be helped, the strongest of them kill each other and hoard the food aid the west sends them. The poor in more stable countries need job programs, but the crime in some areas prevents them from veing productive because the only option they see is to turn to crime.

>Transhumanism
Not any time soon, and only the rich will have it.

>Communism
The hegemony is controlled by corporations, it will never happen

The poor will die and be replaced by robots, then the middle class. Then the ultra rich will become the robots.

>chinese
>people