Is Veeky Forums mostly right wing?

is Veeky Forums mostly right wing?

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>le right vs left meme

I generally dislike politics, but reality seems to have a liberal bias.

>le 2 sides of same coin mae mae

the quote is old, and it's not longer true.

trangerderism seems to be a mental illness that should be treated and not enabled (General unhappiness with the population, symptoms exactly matching those of body dismorphia, the ineffectiveness of sex change operations on improving the individual's happiness), Cop-on-black violence seems mostly overblown (whites and hispanics more likely, per police encounter to be shot by cops than black people, black officers more likely to shoot blacks that white officers, mostly unchanged death rates from early 2000's, before all the race baiting started), radical Islam seems to be just normal islam (Muslims in european countries overwhelmingly support ideas we find repugnant, like sharia law which has over 90% support in several countries), and open boarders leads to much more harm than good for host countries( sweeden and germany both being forced to re-examine their views after their women are raped left and right and stores plundered, great britain having such a bad response to it that BREXIT happened).

wow so profound

Sort of.

Science is non-partisan. I believe eugenics is a good thing if done right, that there's nothing wrong with abortion and stem-cell research and that there is significant anthropogenic climate change because there's evidence for all those things. Science, like religion, is something brought up by both sides when it suits their point of view.

>american definitions of political terms

not an argument

reality has been redpilled

no and additionally it doesnt fucking matter.

we all want the politics threads to leave. if you do not want them to leave, then you are a /pol/tard perpetuating them. stop.

This. I like Clinton's technocratic side (detailed policies on all sorts of things: alzheimer's & mental health funding, climate change). She's the more engineer-like candidate, that wants small, precise improvements all over. She's your average overly-analytical too-much-in-your-head liberal pundit's wet dream.

But liberalism has been replaced by progressivism, which conflicts with reality in major ways. Many refugees do see Europe as a land to conquer, commit crimes at a much higher rate, have a lower average IQ. And because progressivism is blinded to this, it can only misdiagnose relevant problems (e.g. migrants' lack of financial success) and offer ineffective & wrong solutions (e.g. dismantling "white privilege", when that's not the cause, and doesn't exist) which provokes resentment (e.g. whites feeling victimized for something they didn't cause, countries turning third-world, increased terrorism).

The basic fact is all ideologies clash with reality, the left used to do so only in minor ways, now it's much worse. The ideology that least fundamentally conflicts with reality is probably Trump-style nationalism combined with a future-minded worldview (so without the conservative elements like climate denial, anti-stem cells, etc).

It'll get worse before it gets better, anons. Veeky Forums running for President when?

there is literally 2 people left who are anti-stem cell, muh dick and your mom
there's also not many people who don't agree climate change is happening. I'm not sure how much evidence there is that humans are causing it (and everyone knows that our lord and savior jesus christ is ultimately the one who controls the climate).

I'm a progressive watered down socialist who has fantasies of establishing a traditional conservative society. I figure most posters on Veeky Forums are the same.

transgenderism is a mental illness and the research being shut down on this for ideological reasons puts the lie to the objectivity of science, or at least quote unquote sciences like social anthropology

this desu senpai

Not with a candidate like trump

Clinton was happy to ride the vaccines cause autism train until it become politically convenient not to. Her answer was her characteristic neither a denial nor non-denial "the science isn't in yet".

Is homosexuality a mental illness?
Is s&m a mental illness?
Where do you draw the line for someone's proclivities being OK or a mental illness?

Citation? I don't ever recall seeing that. Even then, i have more faith in someone who claims to believe something retarded if it's politically convenient than someone who just believes something retarded.

The same line all mental illnesses are drawn. Transgenderism is a symptom of underlying mental illnesses, in particular depression and bipolar disorder, or childhood sexual trauma (yes) not the other way around. Sometimes it's the result of an endocrine disorder. In many cases someone's depression being alleviated also removes their desire to change their gender.

We don't know what kind of link there is between vaccines and autism" something like that. It shook out of the Jill Stein ratfucking her people were trying to do when stein said the same thing.

Neither homosex nor S&M cause or are comorbid with immense distress, social isolation, anxiety & attachment disorders, and a 41% suicide rate. It is a mental illness. The alternative would be a physical illness, but transition is ineffective towards reducing these symptoms.

I have no faith in Clinton whatsoever except that she will likely start a very serious war. Regardless, whether either of them believe there is a link between vaccine and autism is literally not important.

I started out as a edgy lib as a teen. But luckily I hit puberty. When my balls dropped and my testosterone hit the roof, I became better at logic, math, and seeing the world for what it really is.

I'm not a Republican. But I am a conservative now.

>this whole post

>I have no faith in Clinton whatsoever except that she will likely start a very serious war.
With whom?
>Regardless, whether either of them believe there is a link between vaccine and autism is literally not important.
Their holding retarded beliefs isn't important to you?

I'm a CS major and computer people tend to be far left, same with entry level in most sciences, but I find that most of the ones who are actually really intelligent are moderates with mixed ideas from both sides

Stem cell research is only a precursor to what we should be doing, which is despecialization of an individual's cells. Once we can do that, the stem cell argument becomes moot.

The great thing about Clinton is that it can be with anyone! She luvs to go 2 war.

And no it doesn't really. The president is not going to ban vaccines and there isn't a need to make them mandatory.

I first started as lolbertarian, many edgy teens smart enough to get interested in politics did actually and would vote for our meme candidate in Poland. Then I became social democrat that likes pretty much any not shitty middle right to left government. I am also pro globalization.

I went like this:
anarchist who refused to stand for the pledge in school > lolbertarian > white nationalist > libertarian nationalist

No, I don't live in a trailer if that's what you're asking

>trangerderism seems to be a mental illness that should be treated and not enabled
False dichotomy. Distress stemming from being transgender is treated with therapy. This is called gender dysphoria and is treated as a mental illness which is not "enabled" at all. Being transgender in and of itself is not a mental illness because it is not the same thing as gender dysphoria.

>General unhappiness with the population
Gee, could it have to do with gender dysphoria and the stigma of being transgender? Nope, let's just call all transgender people crazy, that will surely make them happier.

>symptoms exactly matching those of body dismorphia
Body dysmorphia is a superficial delusion. Being transgender is not a delusion. It's simply a mismatch between the genders of the brain and the body. When a transgender person describes themself as the opposite gender, they are stating a simple fact. The idea that these individuals should conform their mind to their body rather than the other way around is absurd.

>the ineffectiveness of sex change operations on improving the individual's happiness
Empirically false. Post surgery regret is very low, even compared to cosmetic surgery.

>Cop-on-black violence seems mostly overblown (whites and hispanics more likely, per police encounter to be shot by cops than black people
That's a misleading statistic. If the cops "encounter" every black person they see, this alone would lead to their rate of being shot *per encounter* being lower. It's clear that blacks are encountered more by cops. This is probably due both to a higher rate of criminality and police bias against them.

>radical Islam seems to be just normal islam (Muslims in european countries overwhelmingly support ideas we find repugnant, like sharia law which has over 90% support in several countries)
That doesn't mean they support terrorism. That would be like saying that all devout Catholics support crusading.

>mfw he's right

>open boarders leads to much more harm than good for host countries( sweeden and germany both being forced to re-examine their views after their women are raped left and right and stores plundered
It's hypocritical to call cop on black violence overblown and then engage in the exact same sensationalism over a few crimes by migrants.

>great britain having such a bad response to it that BREXIT happened
So xenophobic responses proves that xenophobic ideology is true? Circular reasoning. Not to mention that many Brexit voters immediately regretted their own votes.

No, probably not. And most hard science departments are (majority) left wing. I study pure mathematics and chemistry and I probably lean a bit to the right, but can't really be bothered with politics when there's analysis and shitposting to do.

>>trangerderism seems to be a mental illness that should be treated and not enabled
>False dichotomy. Distress stemming from being transgender is treated with therapy. This is called gender dysphoria and is treated as a mental illness which is not "enabled" at all. Being transgender in and of itself is not a mental illness because it is not the same thing as gender dysphoria.

Here we go again. This is the kind of nonsense that gets passed around among those fake sciences.

There is no "dichotomy" here. They are not in the wrong body or right mind. They are in the right body and of wrong mind, caused by depression, childhood sexual abuse (the connection between these is absurdly high) or other mental illnesses or personality disorders.

>Gee, could it have to do with gender dysphoria and the stigma of being transgender?
No, "being transgender" is a result of depression and anxiety or sexual trauma, for the most part. Cases that are the result of physical disorder are the small minority and should be treated as a separate case.

You didn't answer the question. The same argument has been used for gay people and every other "degeneracy"

>Transgenderism is a symptom of underlying mental illnesses, in particular depression and bipolar disorder, or childhood sexual trauma (yes) not the other way around.
Nonsense. Depression never made anyone transgender. Gender dysphoria is a disorder, not being transgender.

This is primarily important by the way because when the underlying depression, anxiety etc is treated, the sexual dysmorphia also vanishes.

>And no it doesn't really.
For me it matters a lot, I'm a leftist but I'd rather vote for a right-wing candidate that knew the value of evidence based medicine than a hippie who believed in "alternative medicine" and such retarded things, it would very much be a deal-breaker for me if a candidate in my country were anti-vax. It's emblematic of their disdain for science.

>Nonsense. Depression never made anyone transgender. Gender dysphoria is a disorder, not being transgender.

This is literally a lie. Your handwaving about transgender and dysphoria is nonsense that your field uses is just that. It's a sort of "no true transgender" that papers over the fact that depression and anxiety result in trangenderism as a means of coping or expression with those things. I'm not interested in psychoanalysis but there is clear social messaging "if you are depressed, if you feel unhappy with yourself or your life, try HRT."

>Regardless, whether either of them believe there is a link between vaccine and autism is literally not important.

Tbh mayne that'd be a complete deal breaker for me (I'm not from the U.S so I won't be voting anyway). I don't really care about left or right, as long as they're not being complete fucking brainlets. If they're being brainlets, it's a no-go.

Can you two brainlets start providing citations for your claims?

>This is literally a lie.

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Source it up you negative IQ sub-human economy student.

>Where do you draw the line for someone's proclivities being OK or a mental illness?

????????????Who gives le fug about what definitions he uses?????????? Refer to the standards used in academia instead, you bonobo.

I bet both of your are sitting in wheelchairs drowning in your own spit, fooken chimps.

>This is the kind of nonsense that gets passed around among those fake sciences.
Ah, so you are the true scientific expert on transgender, while psychologists and doctors are "fake". OK.

>There is no "dichotomy" here.
Yes, that's what I said. You invented one by placing "treatment" and "enabling" at odds.

>They are in the right body and of wrong mind, caused by depression, childhood sexual abuse (the connection between these is absurdly high) or other mental illnesses or personality disorders.
There is no evidence of this, while there is plenty of evidence which shows the biological basis of transgender brains. You are being a massive hypocrite by calling psychologists fake scientists and then presenting your ideology as fact without a shred of evidence.

>No, "being transgender" is a result of depression and anxiety or sexual trauma, for the most part.
Depression and anxiety are symptoms of gender dysmorphia and the social stigma of being transgender. You are ass backwards.

>Cases that are the result of physical disorder are the small minority and should be treated as a separate case.
Still waiting for the evidence for all these empirical claims...

>This is primarily important by the way because when the underlying depression, anxiety etc is treated, the sexual dysmorphia also vanishes.
Wow, you mean that when you treat the symptoms, the symptoms go away? Shocking.

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>Source it up you negative IQ sub-human economy student.

No I'm busy.

The issue at hand here is that there is no longer the ability for science to study or record this fact. Depression causes transgenderism. Similarly, childhood sexual trauma *strongly correlates* with transgenderism. This conclusion has been excepted, on ideological grounds, from any form of scientific examination, by saying that transgenderism is a fact that has no cause nor can it disappear.

>the social sciences are all frauds!!!! liberal propaganda
>but psychology is ok when i can use it to stigmatize people i dont like ;)
go away

I'm saying: If a man in a man's body has depression and thinks he is a woman, and experiences body dysmorphia, and and fater some years the depression goes away, the transgenderism can go away too.

social sciences are doing a good job of making themselves seem like frauds.

>it's a fact but because reasons science can't confirm it for me

Wow, that sounds falsifiable, approved!

>the fact that depression and anxiety result in trangenderism as a means of coping or expression with those things.
This makes no sense. How does being transgender help you cope with depression and anxiety? Pure quackery.

>I'm not interested in psychoanalysis
Yet your hypothesis is far more convoluted than the simple fact that gender dysphoria is distressing.

>but there is clear social messaging "if you are depressed, if you feel unhappy with yourself or your life, try HRT."
Can you show me a single case of any psychologist recommending HRT to a depressed person who is not transgender? This is lunacy.

>a few crimes by migrants.
reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-crime-idUSKCN0YT28V
>Not to mention that many Brexit voters immediately regretted their own votes.
Any evidence for that, aside from a biased Guardian or BBC article? The one's with most regret were under 30 Remainers who couldn't be bothered to vote.

>This makes no sense. How does being transgender help you cope with depression and anxiety? Pure quackery.

How does cutting? How does anorexia?

>his is called gender dysphoria and is treated as a mental illness
So the only treatment that works is based on treating it like a mental illness...but it's obviously not a mental illness because muh feelings? Do you plan on winning gold with those mental gymnastics?
>Gee, could it have to do with gender dysphoria and the stigma of being transgender?
oh please. even the geniune peices of shit like bruce jenner are off limits today. They have it much better than gays in the 70's did, nearly half still try to off themselves.
>Body dysmorphia is a superficial delusion. Being transgender is not a delusion.
>The idea that these individuals should conform their mind to their body rather than the other way around is absurd.
not an argument, you're just stating opinions as "simple fact"s. I could easily do the same bullshit and just state that it being a mental illness is a simple fact.
>Empirically false. Post surgery regret is very low, even compared to cosmetic surgery.
now you're just lying. worse yet, even if your lie was true it wouldn't even be a point. It doesn't matter if they regret it or not, the point is that having the sex change does not help them in any way. Suicide rates from pre to post op either remain nearly the same or slightly increase by all accounts. If it wasn't a mental illness, they should be better once their physical self matches their mental self yet it doesn't. This is a clear example of mental illness. You see the exact same thing in bulimics who never see themselves as skinny even when near death.
>That's a misleading statistic. If the cops "encounter" every black person they see, this alone would lead to their rate of being shot *per encounter* being lower.
you're the one being misleading here. You're assuming cops are profiling every single black person they see or that blacks are being racially targetted with no proof whatsoever. It's also extremely unlikely since more black officers shoot blacks.

Yeah but you motherfuckers think Genesis is a science textbook

>Can you show me a single case of any psychologist recommending HRT to a depressed person who is not transgender? This is lunacy.

Show me a single psychologist recommending therapy for depression before HRT. For decades in the transgender community was was highly recommended you not begin transitioning if you were severely depressed or bipolar. This wisdom has been thrown out the window in favor of this "You Are Transgender, definitely" /quakery/ as you say.

>I'm saying: If a man in a man's body has depression and thinks he is a woman, and experiences body dysmorphia, and and fater some years the depression goes away, the transgenderism can go away too.
Yes, I understand. Restating the nonsensical statement over and over again doesn't make it any less nonsensical. Let's go over this again since you seem to have difficulty how things work on the science board:

1. There is no reason why depression would cause someone to become transgender

2. It is clearly plausible that being transgender could cause depression and anxiety (through gender dysmorphia and social stigma)

3. There is no evidence that trauma causes people to become transgender

4.There is evidence that the biology of transgender people are fundamentally different

So you have no plausibility and no evidence. You lose.

I'm not sure if classical liberal/libertarian is the same thing as right wing, but since I disagree with progressives that is generally what I'm labeled. I dislike and disagree with the extreme partisanship which has gripped my country because it seems to work against critical thinking and encourages stupid decisions based on emotions as opposed to evidence. I believe in individualism, expansion of individual rights and reduction in government power to prevent infringement on the rights of an individual, I value critical thinking and disagree with things like collectivism and authoritarianism.

>Yet your hypothesis is far more convoluted than the simple fact that gender dysphoria is distressing.

No, it's that sexual trauma causes transgenderism, and that depression also causes transgenderism, and people seek out the kin do f community developed around it, which tells them they are perfect, moral, and always correct.

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1. There is no reason why depression would cause someone to become transgender

Yes there is. You, and your peers, are just denying it. Because you are... I quote, quacks and frauds.

>reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-crime-idUSKCN0YT28V
And again you repeat the hypocrisy. If we were to simply look at numbers of shootings of blacks then we would have to conclude that shootings of blacks by cops are widespread. What percentage of all crimes and attempted crimes are the migrants'?

>No I'm busy
Busy with fucking what? Banging your head on your keyboard spewing nonsense?

>That doesn't mean they support terrorism.
i never i mentioned terrorism. I said they have views we would find repugnant. If 90% of catholics said they were in favor of crusading, then i would also say almost all devout catholics support crsading.
>It's hypocritical to call
only if you're a dumbass. they're not equivalent at all, the statistics of muslim views show that they generally do not respect women.
>So xenophobic responses proves that xenophobic ideology is true?
They're not xenophobic response, they're responses to reality. When the crisis started, all 3 countries were for open boarders. Reality forced them to change their views. That's pretty strong support for non-open boarders.
>Not to mention that many Brexit voters immediately regretted their own votes
not because they realized their views on immigration was wrong, but because they realized the effect it would have on their country due to other countries threatening to stop trade. The large majority still want to be in control of their own borders.

No with real work. Transgenderism is sometimes caused by childhood sexual trauma. Yes or no?

>How does cutting? How does anorexia?
So you can't answer the question. I suggest asking a psychologist.

I answered it. I said it leads to dysmorphia in a similar way that depression and anxiety lead to cutting and anorexia.

How many transgendered people have you met?
Or are you just making blanket statements based on what you've come up with in your head?
Don't dehumanize an entire group of people based on your ignorant conjecture.

>1. There is no reason why depression would cause someone to become transgender
You wouldn't know. But the vast majority of trans patients are somewhat-to-very depressed. You're arbitrarily saying dysphoria causes depression, which is, again, arbitrary.

>3. There is no evidence that trauma causes people to become transgender
And yet most trans patients did experience childhood trauma, tons have anxiety disorders, tons grew up in dysfunctional families.

>4.There is evidence that the biology of transgender people are fundamentally different
Not "fundamentally". And you're assuming the physical state of the brain precedes the state of the mind, which is a bad assumption. They reflect each other. If you meditate every day, your neurology will change. The physical brain reflects your mind, conscious and unconscious. We know childhood and prenatal trauma shapes the brain, too.

You're not approaching this with a very scientific mind.

Many.

And I've met more than a few people who expressed that when they were a teenager with depression they used to think they were transgendered for a number of reasons that were largely influenced by their peer group saying things like what you are saying now, and they would do things like wear dressed, wear makeup, post about their feelings of dysmorphia and all that shit with their internet friends, but when those feelings of depression were resolved they realized that they no longer felt like wearing dresses or felt like becoming women.

Genuine question, since you're an internet citizen like me, do you think Chris Chan is transgender suffering from body dysmorphia? Or do you think he's an abused, autistic individual that needs to be treated in a different way that being prescribed HRT.

Sounds like national socialism is right up your ally, mister

>So the only treatment that works is based on treating it like a mental illness... but it's obviously not a mental illness because muh feelings?
What are you talking about? The only thing that is treated is the gender dysphoria. But not all transgender people have gender dysphoria. A transsexual who has fully transitioned has no gender dysphoria to be treated. If you can't accurately represent and respond to the argument, don't reply.

>not an argument, you're just stating opinions as "simple fact"s.
You ignoring the argument because you have no response does not make it nonexistent.

>now you're just lying.
You're lying.

>It doesn't matter if they regret it or not, the point is that having the sex change does not help them in any way.
It decreases their gender dysphoria, decreases depression and anxiety, and increases social functioning:

jaacap.com/article/S0890-8567(09)60397-X/abstract

>Suicide rates from pre to post op either remain nearly the same or slightly increase by all accounts'
Source?

>You're assuming cops are profiling every single black person they see or that blacks are being racially targetted with no proof whatsoever
I didn't assume it though. I simply stated that this could be a different reason why we see that particular statistical result, so using it as proof of your conclusion fails. Again, if you can't accurately represent and respond, don't reply at all.

I want /pol/ to leave.

Not him, nor is this exactly evidence per se, but I think it gives you a good idea of how the brexit happened.

I'm on my phone but this is from NPR.

>Show me a single psychologist recommending therapy for depression before HRT.
It's standard practice to start with psychotherapy:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria#Management

Thank you for proving you have no idea what you're talking about. You must be delusional if you think psychologists immediately send people to HRT.

>No, it's that sexual trauma causes transgenderism
Which you have neither explained nor given evidence to prove. Thus, you lose. Try again.

I'm Agree with 200%. Plenty of trans people really aren't trans, they just had shitty/traumatic parenting, a confused identity, and attachment disorders.

I got tipped off that maybe transsexuality wasn't as I thought when I saw that literally nearly all the trans people I met had (sometimes very) dysfunctional families and the classic anxiety+depression+"emptiness", and it's very obvious it isn't caused by the dysphoria, not even mainly. For many of them, solving THOSE would get rid of their dysmorphia forever.

Lel, I'm a Jewish Zionist, but pretty close. White nationalism is fine by me.

>NPR
Seriously, the Google Trend thing was debunked.
telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/06/27/were-brits-really-googling-what-is-the-eu-after-voting-to-leave/
>Data from AdWords, which offers more specific numbers for search terms, shows that the 250 per cent increase in searches actually correlated to about 1,000 people asking the question.

>Yes there is.
So what is it? The suspense is killing me.

>i never i mentioned terrorism. I said they have views we would find repugnant.
And how does that affect liberalism then?

>only if you're a dumbass. they're not equivalent at all, the statistics of muslim views show that they generally do not respect women.
Same thing. What does this have to do with liberalism?

>They're not xenophobic response, they're responses to reality. When the crisis started, all 3 countries were for open boarders. Reality forced them to change their views. That's pretty strong support for non-open boarders.
So your xenophobic fears are reality? This is just more circular reasoning. You might as well say "look at all these people who agree with me, that means I'm right".

>I said it leads to dysmorphia in a similar way that depression and anxiety lead to cutting and anorexia.
I don't see the similarity. Anyway, this is just stalling. You can't give a reason and you know it.

>If you can't accurately represent and respond to the argument, don't reply.
I understand your shit arguments, I just don't accept your assumptions.
>A transsexual who has fully transitioned has no gender dysphoria to be treated
what does it mean to fully transition? because you're just playing the no true transgender game here. If it wasn't a mental illness, post op should be fully transitioned, more or less. Yet nothing changes in their suicide rates.
>You ignoring the argument because you have no response does not make it nonexistent.
>you're lying
nice bait and switch. Accusing me of ignoring arguments and ignoring them yourself. I didn't just say "not an argument", i pointed out where you made truth claims without any support. I specifically quoted you. I didn't just say you were lying, i pointed out how your lie wasn't even a valid point if it was true. But you had no counterargument and ignored that too.
>It decreases their gender dysphoria
A study of less than 50 people means hardly anything against statistics over all of them. Suicide rates do not change post-op. If the conclusions of the study were true, why would that be so?
>Source?
what you can't google? it's just a statistic, not a study. but here's a study.
theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth
>I simply stated that this could be a different reason why we see that particular statistical result
it requires you to assume it to think it's an argument. If you're going to say it could be skewed because of profiling, you have to show that profiling is going on. Otherwise, Occam's razor applies. You can't invent discriminations without proof, this isn't tumblr. And again, more black cops shoot blacks than white cops. If your unsupported hypothesis was correct, that shouldn't be the case.

i browse Veeky Forums so i don't have to see political shitthreads

>You're arbitrarily saying dysphoria causes depression, which is, again, arbitrary.
And again you prove that you don't know what you're talking about. Dysphoria literally means "distress". Gender dysphoria is defined as the distress caused by the gender they were assigned at birth. If everyone around you treated you like the opposite gender you are now you would probably be very distressed.

>And yet most trans patients did experience childhood trauma, tons have anxiety disorders, tons grew up in dysfunctional families.
And yet you STILL have failed to present a shred of evidence for this. Because it doesn't exist. You know it and I know it. Stop pretending.

>And you're assuming the physical state of the brain precedes the state of the mind, which is a bad assumption.
No, I did not assume that anywhere in my argument. I simply pointed out that there is evidence of a biological difference between transgender and non-transgender people, compared to no evidence of a traumatic basis. So this is an irrelevant response. But anyway, the physical state of the brain does precede the mind according to neuroscience.

>They reflect each other. If you meditate every day, your neurology will change.
Meditation is a physical act. You are a moron.

>We know childhood and prenatal trauma shapes the brain, too.
The characteristic structures of the transgender brain have no correlation with changes produced by trauma.

Again, you fail to present an argument or evidence for your claims. You lose.

I consider myself pretty moderate and conflicted. I agree with many ideas from both sides. Idealistically I can't decide if I like socialism or libertarianism better.

That being said, I can tolerate America's left far more than its right. At least when liberals are wrong they attempted to arrive at their conclusion using proper logical reasoning, statistics, and data. This is why liberal policies change every decade as the data changes. The right doesn't create their policies from data, however. They create them from dogma. It works quite well to have a highly religious constituency because those people aren't used to questioning things anyway.

>And how does that affect liberalism then?
Because liberals have a belief that all views are equal and everyone should be accepted when islam is clearly degenerate and incompatible with free societies like the U.S. and U.K.
>Same thing. What does this have to do with liberalism?
same thing as above
>So your xenophobic fears are reality?
yes.
>This is just more circular reasoning. You might as well say "look at all these people who agree with me, that means I'm right".
you do realize repeating yourself over and over again like you've done in this thread will not win over anyone? You keep calling it circular when i've explained why it's not. Yet again, it's not circular because these are people who completely disagreed with me initially. I thought taking in mass amounts of immigrants who don't share our culture would be bad, they didn't so they let them in. Reality, however, smacked them in the face and they were forced to change their views. It's not just people who agree with me, it's people who by a large margin disagreed until they saw the results and changed their minds.
I thought they should not be let in because it would be bad for us.
they were let in
it was bad for us
therefore i was right
how's that circular?