Do you think the historical swing in art and culture is moving from a extreme left wing nightmare (gender fluid...

do you think the historical swing in art and culture is moving from a extreme left wing nightmare (gender fluid cultural marxism and modern art) to something more conservative and traditional (revival of clasical arts, right wing nationalism)?

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what do you define as modern art, because I'm pretty sure you would describe Mark Twain as an "evil liberal SJW from tumblr who ruined literature forever"

>left wing
>right wing

Just get the fuck out, faggot.

the kind of art pol considers degenerate.

>le I'm too smart for everyone

You're actually an idiot. Just because both right and left wing politics have become corrupted and hollow shells of what they pretend to represent does not mean they are irrelevant. Go masturbate some of your teenage angst away.

Not really, no.

the ones the nazi germans sold to the fascist italians who sold them to wealthy strike breaker americans in the 1930s? that's going to be hard to explain.

I'm doing Fine Arts (honours atm)

At this point, it's just a bunch of Far Left marxist bullshit THEORY.

They care little for objectivism.

I swear, make a libertarian, centrist, or even a scientific argument, and these people will loose their shit.

I legitimately got hounded at for stating "Gender isn't a spectrum, to be exact."

It was a simpler time, before the Jewish Soap Conspiracy.

sorry, but I dont' think those echo chambers of degeneracy and stupidity really hold any effect on the normal person.

my question was aimed at the general public.

those retards can't even get a job as an artists, left alone control public opinion.

I just hope it starts to focus on an idealized human form instead of all these disgusting cripples again

lol, we should really tell them about the time england suddenly stopped soap production after being the lead producer of europe, because of the plague. they've probably watched the eternal jew enough to not tell the difference and read evola enough to believe in cycles of history

True.

I'm pretty much just doing the course to pursue a career in art curating, and animation, and might help me create comics etc.

pretentious kiddo

Nope, the world is overwhelmingly moving towards a more progressive culture. Conservativism gaining some traction on internet or whatever doesn't make the slightest bit of difference.

I hope so, in a moderate sense. From where do you see this push coming though. I do think Brexit and Trump prove this is a sublimated leaning, but the cultural centres are still very much leftist. I am a lefty but recently we've started to make my skin crawl.

What about Trump and Brexit, plus I think a lot of people seem to be reaching peak bullshit. If you read the comments sections on a lot of "culturally Marxist" Guardian articles people are sick of it. It has gotten dreadful.

>the western world is the entirely of the world
>gays get killed in non western countries
>FEMA shit is banned in russia
rethink your worldview user.

Do you think Veeky Forums means anything other than literature?

People getting tired of the stuff you complain about will in fact gradualy dissapear but that will only cement culture to a more progressive state than it was a few years ago (nothing as extreme as cultural Marxists or whatever want though) but it won't make conservative movements gain any more traction in their place.

Who cares about any culture except western culture?

>Living under a rock
Do you understand the implications of the Brexit result?

None? Most Leave votes were from the older strata of the population, conservatism is actually, no joke, legit getting bred out. Have you interacted with teenagers recently? They are much more overwhelmingly progressive these days than, say, 10 years ago.

I like to think we're moving towards an era where we can make fun of both at the same time.

An era of Anti-politicality where the Queers and the Kikes can be strung up side by side with the Skinheads and Bible-Beaters.

>Leave votes were from the older strata of the population
This theory has been debunked, there was a larger percent of youth voting than in actual elections. The cultural paradigm is no doubt shifting to the right.

>conservatism is actually, no joke, legit getting bred out
Sorry to be the one to tell you this but political views aren't genetic kek.

you seem pretty ignorant non western countries will follow blindly the gender fluid garbage transexual kids the west is following.

the west is commiting cultural suicide and at least other cultures wont fall into their shitty formula.

you seem to not care about us because we're poor (I'm taco), but I'm glad there was a big shitstorm here because the education minister made a suggestion about putting in the schools manuals, that we're not born male or female but rather is learned.

I was glad the church and the procurator actually was defending the traditional family unit.
The church anounced national protests and the minister went to TV to speak it was only a suggestion, nothing real.

I'm glad europe downfall won't affect non westerners too much.

That's voter turnout which is completely unrelated to what I'm talking about.

Marxism=gender fluidity
Classic arts=right wing nationalism

>uberpleb detected

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You're far more dumb than I thought. You said it was the older voters that did it, despite making up a fraction of the population, and now you're saying that had nothing to with it? I know self destructive personalities have deep emotional investments in liberal philosophy, but it's coming to an end buddy, the truth always wins.

But then I considered myself a lefty progressive until I saw how dogmatic it was getting. So as it gets more silly surely there'll be a lot of moderates like me who're getting turned off? Plus orgs like Fire and people like Milo Yanny-whats-it, frankly annoying and unfunny as he is, do seem to be gathering momentum in a way I can't imagine they would have done 5 years ago.

I think the pendulum swings back and forth but to call one side truth is to delude yourself fatally. Kys

Jesus this is getting a little bit too cringeworthy for me.

Maybe you should go take a nap. Come, user. come take a nap with me.

modern art has been over since the middle of last century and gender fluid cultural marxism has only minimal influence on the globalised art market currently. there is no 'historical swing' which is why academics can only call this period the 'contemporary' even though they know what makes it unique, i.e. the nomadic artist, the globalised art market, and biennales

>make a libertarian, centrist, or even a scientific argument

about art?

what the west is doing is trying to reconcile what it's like to be an actual human being with how capitalism operates. it's not a form of cultural suicide but a type of regeneration since the old model was inadequate

by the way the 'traditional family unit' was invented in the 1700s. it's not even the most efficient social arrangement in which to raise a child. it is contradictions such as these that cause society to collapse and movements such as leftism that try to point it in the right direction

after all, remember that capitalism, liberalism, the middle class, social contract theory, and all the things that make the western system what it is currently are all forms of leftism

yeah.

Like an interpretation of what the art is, OR against a policy.

It's a literal socialist/ marxist/ third wave feminist circle jerk at times.

Say "I believe in the freedom for people to be who they want to be, and I believe that socialism and communism and your marxist/ feminism school of thought impedes on the individual. You want to organise people into tribes, you believe that everyone from a certain race, economic background, or religion is exactly the same. Why not judge a man for what he does, and not pander/ belittle him for who he is."


They then proceed to state that my individual form of thought is "typical white mentality"


Also, have you heard of the futurists? Not every single form of artwork is left wing.

the dogmatists are alienating a lot of leftists. it doesn't define leftism. once more kids got into leftism and didn't understand it it got a little more extreme but it's something that makes the average leftist think they need to reconsider what they actually believe

same thing is happening on Veeky Forums with people telling others to go back to /pol/. it's all newfags man

fucking this. 'gender fluid cultural marxism' has never been relevant, OP is just caught up guilty-browsing Tumblr looking for reasons to get mad at the world.

This nigga gets it.

Art has transcended the canvas. It exists on the digital, the virtual.

>"I believe in the freedom for people to be who they want to be, and I believe that socialism and communism and your marxist/ feminism school of thought impedes on the individual. You want to organise people into tribes, you believe that everyone from a certain race, economic background, or religion is exactly the same. Why not judge a man for what he does, and not pander/ belittle him for who he is."

what does this have to do with the interpretation of art?

>Also, have you heard of the futurists?

what do they have to do with a libertarian, centrist, or scientific study of art?

You are actually an idiot. Trying to encapsulate everything from Persian Absolutism to Greek Despotism to Roman Republicanism to Roman Imperialism to Feudalism to Absolute Monarchy to Classical Liberalism to Fascism to Corporate Kleptocracy as "the right" is fucking retarded. You are probably one of those faggots I see recommending Junger when some /pol/spawn wanders in asking for right wing lit.

Reminder that today's progressive culture is tomorrow's traditionalism.

No m8 I stated argue in favour of a libertarian INTERPRETATION OR a libertarian POLICY.


Futurists were right wing artists.

>classical arts are somehow right wing

Way to start your thread with a laughably wrong correlatio. The arts as a whole, every art form and style you can name, are dominated by left-leaning artists and patrons. Except for country music, maybe.

Even if I don't agree that you should stamp everything as leftie or rightie, I do agree that righters are normally more pragmatic and ignore artistic expression

>what is the art renewal center
>what are ateliers

pol labels everything they dont like as degenerate, like how tumblr do the same with their "privilege"
>objetivism

huevos mocho de cagada

>artrenewal.org
Inform me senpai

I think you misunderstood, I mean fundamentally the conservative point of view on the self and the other, as well as surroundings are usually first and foremost survival and prevalence of the selfand it's kin. That's what I mean with pragmatic. Now that everyone started to express themselves with art is a different phenomena

egg, a person with cut arms, of shit.

that doesn't even make sense.

sorry, I don't get your point.

I meant that there's still conservative artists, by that I mean they still hold the classical views of art and hold the view that art has objective values you can measure objectivelly.
They also hold a negative view on modern art and see it with disdain, usually because of modern art lack of beauty or skills.

I dunno what you think I was talking about conservatives in art.

I was talking about apples and you about dinosaurs.
Fuck me, can't even hold conversations on sumerian tabloid site

My personal theory is that mainstream art and entertainment leaned left because, within the Overton Window, the left is more visionary; conservatism has a comparatively down-to-earth, practical ethos. Right-wing visionaries certainly existed, but they weren't exactly allowed into GOP fundraisers.

Nationalism is certainly rising now, though, so I could see the pendulum swinging. As someone who leans left, we kinda bought this on ourselves desu.

>clasical

Looks like we need a revival of BASIC SPELLING

Eh. Europe destabilizing. Someone like Trump is a viable candidate in the United States (imagine if he was actually a decent campaigner). Russia and China advancing, India stagnating. Deeply conservative Africa growing rapidly, Islam spreading. Liberalism is still king in Europe and the Americas, but it has never looked shakier in the post-war period than it does now. Meanwhile, the US and Europe are losing their internal cohesion and their global influence (not in a catastrophic way, but it is steadily degrading), while the new poles that are emerging from the period of U.S.-European dominance (Moscow and Beijing mostly) are, if not conservative, at least very anti-liberal. Liberalism is still the favorite, but it hasn't looked this weak in decades.

People have been saying this for literally centuries. It's retarded. People get more conservative with age. This has applied to almost every generation in history, and it will apply to this one too.

first as tragedy, then as farce etc, etc...

even if alt-right babbies get their way and there's a shift to financing organic right nationalist to paint pretty pictures of flowers and portraits or something to fight the cultural marxists menace it won't be of any real substance, it'll just be a sad parody of real culture

nationalism and classical art developed with the bourgeois attack on feudalism, that's a battle that has been fought and won... there isn't anything to be said that hasn't already been said much better at this point

stop looking backwards for inspiration, your society is fat mass consumer decadence so you can only get pure aesthetical shit

>cultural marxism

cringe.

Russia and China aren't emerging into shit. Russia is declining economically and on every other aspect, save their insignificant victories in Ukraine and Syria. China is still a century behind the USA.

There are no implications to it because the British will have to negotiate a deal identical to what they had before.