Is it scientifically possible for aliens to look like Humans?

All humans are exactly the same you retarded mongloid. Facial features and skin color mean nothing you pol cuck.

>Our bodily structure is the way it is because it makes sense.
No, it's the way it is because our ancestors were brachiators that adapted to life on the savanna.

>All humans are exactly the same
Nearly. But populations living at higher altitudes tend to be shorter. Some populations develop lactose tolerance among adults.
I'm sure there are other examples.

>populations living at higher altitudes tend to be shorter. Some populations develop lactose tolerance among adults.

which is completely irrelevant. they are still human beings. when a lactose intolerant short man mates with a tall black woman you dont get a strange hybrid creature, you get a fucking human being.

Intelligence could have just as easily evolved from the aquatic branch of animals. We would be completely different.

>Intelligence could have just as easily evolved from the aquatic branch of animals
Dolphins and fish and shit could be 100x more intelligent than humans and it wouldn't make a difference. You can't build anything with a fucking flipper.

Yes, that was the point...

He didn't say anything about hands or flippers, but on that note: a life form could certainly evolve an interactive operator entirely different from a five-fingered hand on an arm. Leaving the composition and number of digits aside, what about articulate mouthparts? Ants and termites have tremendous success here on Earth building with their mouths.

Of course it is. It's just that the chance is very small.

It's morning in the cosmos. We are the first intelligent lifeforms ever to evolve.

evolutionary convergence blah blah blah. physics blah blah blah

Sad life :(, I'll just have to wait until full immersive VR until I fuck hot aliens chicks.

>I can*

hmu when tapeworms come out with their first smartphone

no

You're examples are shit but I completely agree with what you're talking about

Yes, every new generation comes closer.

That's some good taste and nice numbers. Now how long until full immersive vr?

op just wants us to feed his alien fucking daydream

get a girlfriend

if the planet theyre from has the exact same conditions and for some fucked reason the completely random genetic mutations that happened to us during evolution somehow occur again, yes

Form meets function, dolphins and sharks are from different evolutionary lines but have similar forms.
Just some extra terrestrial life probably wouldn't look human, but something technologically advanced would likely have a large brain relative to body size and hands/tentacles/etc for object manipulation. Other than that, I don't think there's any guarantees on similar form.

Somewhere in the universe there is 1 planet filled with beings identical to Humans.

We need to genocide them. There can only be 1 Human like species in the universe.

idk 20 years maybe, vr is still fresh.

they call it China, if i'm not mistaken ( :7])

Not without opposable thumbs. And if it flies it would have to have hollow bones, not very strong. And where does the octopus part come in? Tentacles are very mechanically inefficient compared with skeletal structures, out of water.

I feel like youre a dumbass

Veeky Forumsdid this thread a couple of months ago and I brought up similar points. Wish I'd saved what I wrote because there is a lot of anatomy and physiology which leads to humanoid being the best form for intelligent tool-using lifeforms. And all the evolutionary steps which got us to this are relevant as being also the best adaptation to those particular circumstances. And there are many anat/phys reasons why forms like insectoid, octopoid (is that a word?) won't cut it. The only deviation from exactly us which I could consider is that I believe it would be possible for a reptilian form to evolve along similar lines to us. Like a Cardassian.

I'd actually go one step further than asking if there can be humanoid aliens, I'd say it is inevitable. On Earth, similar forms have evolved from different regions if the function is beneficial, the principle is known as parallel evolution.

All the above is subject to minor differences in gravity, O2, temperature etc, but it's reasonable to assume that any world which lies within the Goldilocks zone will inevitably produce humanoid life. Why is it reasonable to assume? Because consider the alternatives, and how they would not compete with our ancestors or would lead to evolutionary dead-ends.

Somebody must have written a book about this stuff.

In b4 silicon-based life.

It their planet has trees then yes a humanoid shape would be possible.

A lifeform that doesnt have the luxuries of arthopod vertical scaling will mutate a humanoid shape to move around in the trees eventually as proven by this Permian creature that has a primate like shape.

While human-like body shape is unlikely to be popular over all, it might be fairly common with other civilizations if it turns out that stacking an ever expanding brain on top of a spine is the simplest body plan that allows sapience.

yes its possible.

no we have no idea what the probabilities are.

This notion always scared me.

We are already in one.

Is is scientifically possible for humans to look like humans?

Imagine being a highly intelligent creature, perhaps more than a human, but have no arms. You move around like a snail or a fish. Man, that'd suck. O'well, at least they might figure out the meaning of life... whatever that is for a creature whose sole purpose is doing pretty much nothing.

The possiblity of that occurring somewhere isn't that low I'd imagine... Just imagine... Somewhere out in space, there is a being capable of nothing other than thinking. What if there is no way for it to die except wait 500 "years".

I'm sorry if this is a shitpost, I'm not a scentist by any means, but fuck, I thought this was pretty funny.

Consider me less of a over consumed temporal accountant and more of a chill Dutch student. What if it is only you?

>Everything you said is bullshit, why even bother to post.
Same back at you. Contribute to the discussion or get the fuck out.

>there is a lot of anatomy and physiology which leads to humanoid being the best form for intelligent tool-using lifeforms
Only if you work backwards. The fact hat you think there are "evolutionary steps" shows you're looking at this the wrong way.

>And there are many anat/phys reasons why forms like insectoid, octopoid (is that a word?) won't cut it
Only when very narrowly defining "Insectoids" and using exactly Earth conditions.

It is not reasonable to assume most life would evolve on Earth-like planets, because we have no other planets to really compare to. With all of the discoveries about subterranean oceans (Europa, Enceladus, Ganymede, Callisto, Dione, Ceres...) it's possible life is most common on icy worlds with oceanic interiors.

Also consider that other types of stars will have different goldilock zone ranges and conditions, and there may be multiple "goldilock zones" around a single star for different types of life and conditions.

Possible, yes. Probable, no. there are a large number of potentially inhabitable planets in the universe, but I would be amazed if there was even a single alien species that was even passably human-looking.

That's honestly some Douglass Adams tier stuff right there. I can just imagine a bunch of super intelligent blobs waiting to die while figuring out the mysteries of the universe with no practical applications.

Oh wait, that's just theoretical mathematicians.

The manipulating appendages still touch the ground making this an impractical form for building technology.

Genders (diploid organisms) provide more genetic variation then haploid organisms.

Or you're suggesting their genetics work totally different from ours in which case I'm interested to know.

They could have developed an interface to control tapeworm-made devices with their breathing, but you had to be a massive mongoloid and mention Instagram selfie devices as a landmark of human scientific development. Go die in a fire.

Upright-walking, bipedal aliens would probably be pretty common considering how effective and relatively simple it is.

Dunno man, it would be kinda disappointing if aliens also had frail spines, shit knees and incredibly inefficient muscle insertions just like we do.

>Only if you work backwards.
Yes and no. You're correct in assuming a certain backwards-facing logic but there are some good reasons for this. For one, opposable thumbs. Do we need opposable thumbs to become intelligent? If we are considering intellingent life which uses tools, possibly. There is a recent theory that the use of fire, and hence the nutritional benefits of cooked food enabled our brains to grow to their current size and functional capacity.

>The fact hat you think there are "evolutionary steps" shows you're looking at this the wrong way.
Don't get too hooked on the semantics. I take your point, but let's consider e.g. fins -> legs an evolutionary 'step'.

>Only when very narrowly defining "Insectoids" and using exactly Earth conditions.
If we use the current definition and consider say the insect respiratory system based on diffusion, then under Earth conditions insects will never be able to take in enough oxygen to power a large brain. I doubt even under higher O2 levels this would be possible. That's not to say evolution wouldn't come up with a solution, but animal lungs are mechanically driven by diaphragm and ribs which rely on internal mobility, something which creatures with exoskeletons don't score highly on.

>It is not reasonable to assume most life would evolve on Earth-like planets...of the discoveries about subterranean oceans..

Yes but I was only talking about intelligent tool-using life. You only have to go into our Earth oceans to see a range of cretures which look more alien than stuff the science fiction writers dream up. But there are reasons why dolphins are top of the tree there, and we are here.

See this seems to be the knee-jerk reaction. But when you think about it, can you explain why it should be so? When this thread ran a few months ago, this question was asked and was never satisfactorily answered. When you consider the advantages of anatomy, physiology and evolutionary biology employed by life on Earth, anything else seems unlikely.

When you start to posit alternatives they quickly become obvious non-starters. I'm open to be proved wrong. I'm really hoping someone can. Imagine, an actual possible intelligent technologically advanced lifeform completely different than us. What would they look like, and why would they not be bipedal, binocular/binaural, homeothermic, and with two arms and opposable thumbs.

So skull structures aren't different?

>When you consider the advantages of anatomy, physiology and evolutionary biology employed by life on Earth, anything else seems unlikely.
>employed by life on Earth
>on Earth

>sample size of 1

you answered your own question

It's not possible for 'scientifically' possible for humans to look the way they do.

Only god can create perfection.

>>sample size of 1
>you answered your own question
My assumption is of Earth type environments. But please feel free to describe possible intelligent technologically advanced life forms from non-Earth type environments.

No, actually, they aren't. The same bones in the same arrangements. The only minor differences are in the size and shape of the bones.

This is a crap example of differences in humans. You could have chosen from many physiological differences if you knew anything.

Who says alien life would have been multicelular individual organisms anyway?
The only way to "scientifically" study alien life forms is to figure out how abiogenesis works.

It depends on the environment. Gravity alone will play a huge part. Astronauts can only stay in decreased g environments for so long before their spine starts to deform due to the lack of force.

I mean the only reason life on earth even has individuals and evolution is because it started as a bunch of shells made up of some carbon atoms which had the ability to accumulate mass and split in two.
This can't be the only way life can begin. I'm sure you can imagine "sticks" of molecules that grow outwards at the sides due to some chemical process until the physical stresses break it and both two rods start growing, etc etc. I'm sure this would through evolution result in organisms that don't have an "inside" and are entire dependent on the environment. Or some form of a molecule chain that never splits but just accumulates mass and stays connected. The parts that accumulate mass slower fall off and die, the parts that accumulate mass fast and efficient stay connected or something.

i remember that thread in the pic, too bad it was underrated

Imagine bubbles forming when you boil water. Now imagine this water being so viscous that it takes a very long time for a bubble to pop.
When two bubbles collide, they merge into one bigger bubble. Once a bubble gets too big, it pops. Over time, it could happen that when a bubble forms, it traps some sort of a solid compound inside it, which makes it resistant to merging with other bubbles. This bubble will persist for longer than others. Eventually over time, you will see greater number of these resistant bubbles. Etc etc. Life.

Can't see how they can bend up and around?

>For one, opposable thumbs
But again, you don't necessarily need opposable thumbs to manipulate tools. Even other intelligent animals like dolphins have used rudimentary sponge tools to protect their snouts when hunting in coral , and elephants can use their noses for a number of things.

I agree with the theory that fire was vital, but again you don't have to be humanoid to make fire.

>If we use the current definition and consider say the insect respiratory system based on diffusion

But that's exactly the problem. There is 0 reason to believe alien life would have the same lung or circulatory system. In reality, they wouldn't fit into any Earth taxonomy. So it is very well possible there are very large creatures with exo-skeletons, especially considering different possibly environments that could support them.

While being aquatic would hinder use of fire, that wouldn't stop intelligence from developing, it would simply hinder their technological development. The point I was making, though, is even non-aquatic environments can drastically differ. Just think of what life on Titan would be like, on an environment that isn't underwater but also nothing at all like on Earth.

Lots of animals have opposable thumbs. Lots of animals have complex language. If we assume these two elements, tool manipulation and language, are the precursors to intelligence than most aliens will not look human.

No reproduction or adaptation, not life.

When people where first discussing self replicating and adaptive algorithmic simulation, they quickly realized that it is very difficult to create a function that has no abstraction between replication process and the environmental interaction process. There must be a division of the function who is just in charge of generating composition based on some sort of code, and the function that is in charge of interacting with the environment. So like the difference between the cell nucleus and the cell membrane. The reproductive organs and the rest of the human body. Ant queen and the rest of the ant colony. This is one reason why sex exist, too a much lesser degree with humans. It s division of the function of reproduction and interaction, female and male sex.

The line gets really blurred between what is life and what isn't.

Not enough in your example. Stable low entropy system are fairly common outside of life. Are celestial bodies life forms?

Depends on what your definition of life is.

>muh subjective definition
Get rekt kiddo.