What are the most necessary pieces of literature concerning traditionalism which must be read in order to become well acquainted with the fundamental properties it is built upon?
Bonus points for graph, also for sequential recommendations concerning availability and ease of understanding.
>a demon assaulting brave warrior >not someone trying to feed an ostrich with its head buried in the sand
Zachary Clark
This may be a bit ironic, but I am looking for more recent literary works as well. I am well aware of Julius Evola. Looking for lesser know titles.
I'm glad you enjoy it.
Sorry the picture is not befitting to your exceptionally high standards.
Elijah Evans
ideology that positions itself as 'going back' or otherwise going on the defensive is doomed to fail
David Carter
I especially love that individuality, identity politics, and tradition are looked at as opposites when they aren't. What I enjoy is that it's a devil shooting out buzz words that make a certain crowd uncomfortable who aren't educated at all on what they're talking about socially who want to talk on social issues.
I do enjoy it.
Isaac Robinson
why are you afraid of equality, individualism, and progress
Xavier King
"equality", "individualism", "progress". Went right over your head didn't it?
Great argument. Beautifully written and well substantiated.
Bentley Moore
>Great argument. Beautifully written and well substantiated. it doesn't matter because it's true I'm right wing but traditionalism (as well as conservatism) is a meme
Kevin Watson
I can't help but feel this is sarcasm.
Owen Flores
>I'm right wing >But right wing ideologies are memes
Parker Myers
Remember that traditionalism is not located anywhere on the left/right spectrum you're accustomed to, but is in fact separated from it by the gulf of time, warped beyond recognition in a far off and prior dimension to which we can never return. any attempt at traditionalism today is either found in the backwater of the planet, isolated from the development of the civilization you are posting from, or spellbound to the downward spiral of pastiche, at the bottom of which is the stupid maw of quicksand today calling itself the alt-right.
Lucas Nelson
>Great argument. Beautifully written and well substantiated.
You can't create a society that exists within the material and social contexts of the far past...because we simply don't have them. The only way to accomplish this would be to adapt previous ways into new ways, and I don't see a way of that happening then undercover coercion socially, especially with the internet from groups looking to push things this way or that.
There isn't a way for pure tradition as you're arguing to exist, because there's numerous different contexts we exist in that don't mesh. Society adapted for a reason based upon material conditions. At the moment, not very well however.
Camden Turner
>I have sex with women >but not with dead women
Elijah Walker
conservatives have always been controlled opposition and traditionalism is a pathetic cry for help the New Right, neofascism and NRx are all right wing ideologies with potential
Brayden Garcia
And you mean to say there can be no such thing as neo-traditionalism?
Evan Mitchell
And what would you define as neo-traditionalism?
Parker Brown
as a personal philosophy yeah sure as a political project not really it certainly can't come from Americans though
Chase Thomas
Traditionalism is mere nostalgia for a mirage.
Gavin Myers
>And you mean to say there can be no such thing as neo-traditionalism? >The only way to accomplish this would be to adapt previous ways into new ways, and I don't see a way of that happening then undercover coercion socially, especially with the internet from groups looking to push things this way or that.
I don't see "neo-traditionalism" as a very flawed group of people on the internet working to influence the most needy and helpless on the internet, social outcasts, politically. I don't see it as very brave or admirable, in any sense of what it tries to uphold.
There's one thing you seem to agree upon with the people you hate, though I don't think you fully realize, that chivalry is dead and you want what you want. The contradictory obsession with sex within the frame of neo-traditionalism makes it cult like. Ironically like other traditionalist cults before it
Then again much of these groups wanting to politically influence people in this age are cult like.
Jaxon Lopez
*as anything more than a very flawed group of people
I meant.
Carson Bailey
Check out "global rule 16", it's great
Leo Foster
I came here asking for literature about traditionalism. I cannot even attempt a wild guess at what that would entail. I have a feeling you could do though, give it a go?
>as a personal philosophy yeah sure Fair enough.
>as a political project not really >it certainly can't come from Americans though
Care to elaborate a little further?
You both seem to be well versed, I do appreciate the discussion. A few recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
I coudn't possibly do something like that. I asked you to define it since you were the one who first mentioned it, but it appears you just threw it in the air without thinking it through.
Owen Roberts
>Hi guys I'm from /pol/ >Praise Kek >I got btfo the other day >please do my research for me and give me works that will help others to conform to my onesided racist views >bonus points if there are graphs so I can shitpost with >thanks >trump making America Great Again
Henry Fisher
No, I didn't say that "everything is a cult", I don't know what you mean by that. I clearly said that organizations within the internet do indeed wish to pull people through manipulation politically. In mostly an ideological internet war, and the most manipulative among them have to sacrifice certain kinds of ideals and embrace contradiction to get to their more obvious goal of influencing people.
The problem is the primary goal here is influencing people. You get drama, backstabbing, people fighting over which is truth and which is not while acting counter to what they say they believe.
I don't see this any more clear than neo-traditionalist and neo-reactionary internet groups and the extreme social justice crowd. It's naturally a cult of worship to convert to a feel good way in an otherwise uncomfortable time.
Your minds are set without understanding the material, but understanding how to buy people into it.
The internet is a game of political influence currently. Most people on Veeky Forums no longer have love for the people within it, or the discussions to be had. This is a non-stop board to convert people into certain ideology, by people who aren't willing to put it to action besides suggest they read the literature.
Political radicalism has lost its spine to the point of converting people via the internet, far sleezier and manipulative than the greasiest used car salesman.
Cooper Smith
that boogin should really be called principles of romanticism and the enlightenment
modernism is pro-tradition, and attacks enlightenment notions of progress and equality, at least as ideals, thought the cult of the individual and the cult of the genius are preserved fairly well by modernism
what would you replace them with, spartan rank and file divisionality and the afflatus of the gods as the source of artistic production...
Adam Diaz
not another one of these threads please
Easton Rodriguez
>what would you replace them with, spartan rank and file divisionality and the afflatus of the gods as the source of artistic production...
I wouldn't. The point I was making was the image itself being silly as fuck to look at.
Juan Anderson
You sem to be mistaken. I asked whether or not neo-traditionalism could be a thing. I did not assert it as a possibility or that I had it all laid out.
I see that no one can be interested in something.
I see. Veeky Forums is a cult but not everything is cult. Thanks.
Jordan Evans
The majority of /pol/ try to convert their family and friends and a lot are successful You underestimate the redpill, once you swallow it its nearly impossible to return to liberalism
Landon Brooks
Archeofuturism - Guillaume Faye
Kayden Clark
I want a society where citizenship is based on ethnicity, and social status firmly cast in an immobile structure where the holders of larger amounts of capital possess unique privileges codified into law
this will lay the groundwork for a society where families are forced to arrange marriages to maintain/marginally improve their position in the cast hierarchy, that way I won't have to deal with all these snotty sluts using sexual deprivation as a social weapon and can finally get married and thereby get laid
when's it gonna be my time lord, when's it gonna be my time
Elijah Thomas
>I see. Veeky Forums is a cult but not everything is cult. Thanks.
Again that's not what I'm saying. I'm starting to think you aren't reading what I'm saying.
I didn't say Veeky Forums is a cult, but political organizations on the internet are more bent on conversion and dominance than the ideology in practice stood for. This solution never works well.
I don't see how you could misinterpret this.
>You underestimate the redpill, once you swallow it its nearly impossible to return to liberalism
Again the word "liberalism" as catch all for leftism. You underestimate the fragility of this as well.
If an unquestioning mind just as easily accepts these things they are very well also able to reject them for the newest fad during whatever controversial bought in, sensationalist time of anger and outrage.
The easier you can convince someone the more you should realize they might not be the best person to find to hold your systems of core beliefs.
You gave them a sales pitch and there isn't much to be done beyond that. It's not a permanent solution.
You care more about conversion into this culture of outrage than to actually look behind the ideology you see and how to put it into practice.
This is all too doomed to be in flux with easily bought people you've convinced.
And using redpill unironically when I'm criticizing that mindset, beyond being cringey itself, doesn't exactly disprove the critique I've made.
Blake Morris
kek
Adrian Reed
I know, I'm asking on behalf of the universe to no one imparticular, your post just happened to be linked up with some earlier thoughts, stay well friend
Eli Morgan
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Lucas Russell
I read it. If you examine this thread, you will see tiny bits and pieces of the cult mind radiating outwardly.
Aiden Gutierrez
I'm not convincing them to believe anything, I'm convincing them to stop believing in the leftist propaganda. Big difference, as they are now immunized against globalist lies. Sit back and enjoy the rise of nationalism
Grayson Morales
>nationalism What's in it for me? Just a bunch of flag- worship and ultimately pointless conflicts
Jacob Hughes
>I'm not convincing them to believe anything, I'm convincing them to stop believing in the leftist propaganda
You missed my entire point, and this sentence is an oxymoron.
Higher wages, lower taxes, higher social trust, lower crime, etc.
Aaron Williams
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Owen Howard
Not an argument.
Gavin Edwards
Calm down friend. I worry about leftist's blood pressures, they're all so excitable
Jason Collins
>nationalism: the cargo cult we all can get behind
Julian Anderson
I know it's not. But I live in a quite nationalistic country and we certainly don't have "high wages" and "low crime". You're an American, right?
John Roberts
Shite thread desu
Jacob Williams
Where would that be? Don't see how that is relevant in any way, regardless, yes.
John Powell
Patriotic people =/= nationalist government
Lucas Turner
Thanks for your excellent contribution.
Henry Garcia
It's relevant because you said that nationalism gives you x and y, and I live in a nationalistic country with no x and y.
So which of these two is required for higher wages etc?
Ian Green
That wasn't my post actually. Also, where?
Julian Rodriguez
Burke de Maistre Schmitt
Thomas King
i dont wanna start a new thread so im gonna ask here since someone already mentioned him, could someone recommend me necessary reading material from Julius Evola? and maybe some other lesser known works by others?
Adam Martinez
Yes. Mongulism must be overcome.
Matthew Cruz
Revolt Against the Modern World Metaphysics of War
Jacob Parker
You got it user Neotchka Nezvanovna is a lesser-known work by someone other than Julius Evola The Night Inspector is another So is Destination: Void
Dylan Barnes
Hobbes leviathan is the Bible of traditionalism. Study social contract theory if you want to know what traditions are all about.
Cooper Martinez
You are a joke, but maybe some of these will help you become something more than a walking /pol/ meme. Plato, Symposium, Laws, Republic, Trial, Meno and Phaedo Aristotle, Ethics, Politics, Categories, Metaphysics St Augustine, Confessions, City of God, Political Writings Thomas Aquinas, Political Writings, Selected Writings Hilaire Belloc, The Jews, The Servile State, Great Heresies, How the Reformation Happened G. K. Chesterton, Orthodoxy Heretics F. A. Hayek, Law, Legislation and Liberty, A Road to Serfdom Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Gulag Archipelago Alasdair MacIntyre, After Virtue, Whose Justice Which Rationality, Dependant Rational Animals Fredrick Copleston, 9 volumes of History of Philosophy Edward Feser, Aquinas, Scholastic Metaphysics Elizabeth Anscombe, Collected Philosophical Papers Karl Schmidt, Political Theology
Hunter Barnes
I'd read Anscombe's Modern Moral Philosophy before MacIntyre's After Virtue
Dominic Hughes
So let me get this straight.
People cannot be interested in learning about certain things? Please explain.
Joshua Jones
your defensive stance is not helping you
Ryder Foster
Still no explanation here.
Charles Ross
I don't think it's necessary, either way is fine. But going chronological is a decent choice. MacIntyre thinks academic philosophy is just sophistic wankery so he wrote for everyone. No, I think your views are a joke and at the moment you are a mouth breathing idiot from /pol/. That may change if you start reading.
Cameron Cook
Do you not realize I have no stated any views ITT whatsoever? Not one. All I did was ask for information. Congratulations on making baseless assumptions. Truly the epitome of an intellectual.
Isaiah Hernandez
I'm confused. You seem like you have already decided what you believe and want to read more things confirming your views. Surely it would be more productive to read from a variety of viewpoints and try analyse your views from the perspectives they offer to confirm your views hold water
Easton Lee
Complete opposite. That is why I came here, to request information because I figured Veeky Forums would be able to help. For the most part, I was correct. Aside from being called a mouth breathing idiot, racist, bigot etc., it was very successful and productive.
Charles Carter
Having views doesn't mean you completely understand the workings they have, argumentation, reasoning, mindset, answering criticism etc. Otherwise a platonist would read only the Republic and be done with reading anything ever. Try not starting threads with dumb pol memes for starters.
Xavier Ross
Philosophy is so full of referrences and name dropping you honestly have to start with the Greeks and work your way forward. If you don't do that you are acting like a mouth breathing idiot, racist, bigot
Sebastian Roberts
Is this seriously about the picture? I picked it at random.
How bigoted of you.
Nathan Flores
How do you randomly pic a retarded pol meme? Also, your 'I'm so persecuted' attitude on fucking Veeky Forums is obnoxious.
Jonathan Wood
>finally finished moving in to my freshman dorm >classes haven't started yet >guess I better shit post on Veeky Forums
Did your Nietzsche poster survive the move? I hope you didn't crinkle the corners while you were hanging it up over your bed.
Jack Peterson
Randomly.
Haha, sure thing, pal.
>Nietzsche >Literally the worst I love all the assumptions going on here. Some very, very, bright intellectuals on this board.
Eli Ward
I know right. The most influential philosopher of the last 150 years is shit. Why can't this board become dedicated to the only ideology we have read. Ride the Tiger bro.
Dominic Hughes
You seem to be under the same misconception as another poster. Perhaps you should have read the thread instead of going full sperg on me. He was shit.
Andrew Russell
Julius Evola is the only significant thinker since the Protestant "reformation" destroyed society.
Jaxson Roberts
How many of his books have you read? What ideas of his do you find shit
Angel Walker
Be careful! He is going to bombard you with some very well formulated arguments. Hopefully he spares you the meme arrows.
Jace Roberts
>society
Isaac Turner
Reading is for kikes
Lucas Bailey
The most embarrassing thing is that Evola is a magic the gathering indian ooga booga idiot.
Nicholas Cox
I'll spare each of us the trouble. You truly have been bequeathed by the Lord with a vastly superior and exceedingly profound intellect than mine own. You are able to absorb ideas and agree with their fundamental basis, and in doing so, able to to denounce and eliminate all other ideologies; only by the mere power of agreement. This guy sure is on to something, I will follow suit and just find something I like and go with it. No need for anything else.
Jonathan Rogers
Nah bro he like is against the global conspiracy stopping me getting a girlfriend. I read an infograph of a muscular dude holding oe of his books trust me
Zachary Myers
So it is true that reading is for kikes?
Alexander Bell
Wow. Truly profound. I do not believe I have seen a better argument ever presented in my life. I think I will steal it. Nietzsche is a magic the gathering indian ooga booga idiot. Argument won.
Aaron Reed
Are you a kike? If not how are you reading this?
Josiah Taylor
good false flag, maybe a bit unrealistic
Asher Nelson
Kek the defensiveness of polposters is funny af They can't even read. Nietzsche is interesting, but Evola as someone who represents traditionalism is a fucking joke for illiterate larpers. Also, do you understand nobody here is arguing? We are just laughing at you.
Adam Smith
>goodreads.com/book/show/143548.Introduction_to_Magic >Included in Introduction to Magic are instructions for creating an etheric double, speaking words of power, using fragrances, interacting with entities, and creating a "magical chain." Among the arcane texts translated are the Tibetan teachings of the Thunderbolt Diamond Path, the Mithraic mystery cult's "Grand Papyrus of Paris," and the Greco-Egyptian magical text De Mysteriis. Anyone who has exhausted the possibilities of the mundane world and is ready to take the steps necessary to purify the soul in the light of knowledge and the fire of dedication will find a number of expert mentors here
Jonathan James
If I read Ebola, will I have the ability to magic my dick into being 6" and finding a gf?
Chase Hall
>this person believes in something the vast majority of people nowadays don't believe in, therefore he must be an idiot the myth of progress got you good buddy