Who is Veeky Forums voting for?

Who is Veeky Forums voting for?

What philosophical texts and treatises informed this vote?

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I'm voting for Infinite Jest
#keepIJnumberone

I can't believe Americans actually think it matters which sock puppet they elect.

But at least the liberals (in theory) are committed to accelerating decadence and degeneracy.

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Voting for Trump. Most of my politics is informed by classical liberal writers and early founding documents, as well as a dash of 20th century Austrian economics. I wholeheartedly believe that individual liberty in both social and economic realms creates a better society, and I've seen those liberties constantly eroded by a corrupt corporate and political elite, of which Hillary Clinton sits near the head. Trump seems like the kind of guy that, while not perfect, could push us back in the right direction and help correct the course.

I guess I would be voting for Johnson if he weren't such a goddamn cuck.

>Trump, a billionaire and nominee of the republican party, is anti establishment and not apart of the elite

the blood of the bourgeoisie

Richard Drax, my local MP

if there was another leadership election it would be for Theresa

I'm voting for Trump.

this is definitely the most objectively beautiful image I have seen on this board today. may dionysus reach down and touch all of us.

>i'm such a pussy that i need to have 'coherent beliefs' about the world around me

is there a strawman comic about people who post strawman comics?

>my ms paint comic some fat alt right neckbear who loves LE BASED SAM HYDE invalidates your point

#betterdeadthanred

You haven't seen nothing yet, bub.

Everyone outside the US knows that Trump being a candidate was just to enforce the illusion that The People choose by posing him up there like retarded puppet saying stupid shit like "I'm gonna build a wall and kick like 25% of the population out for lord kek lmao"

Now an interesting is happening. A lot of people actually want Trump. I'm really looking forward to this.

However, what will happen is what is already happening concerning world-politics and is already pre-planned. The president doesn't hold much power due to congress and etc

stupid communists just think anyone who makes money is a part of the people running the show

this just reconfirms my theory that all communists are brain-dead poorfag who just want other people to pay their way.

heh

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Trump 2016

Who would he vote for?

How can you become a billionaire without exploiting someone?

>posts a Dadaist meme and is a right wing bourgeois bootlicker nationalist

>anyone who makes money is apart of the conspiracy

but this is objectively true, if you consume you are a cog.

we are all cogs in the machine by simply buying food at a grocery store

Oh right getting a job is being exploited to you commie fucks.


NEWS FLASH: In a communist Utopia, you'd be sent to labor camps while the ruling class get fat off your hard work.

At least under the free market, you have SOME freedom.

Do you think the electoral college would actually go with Trump?

I repeat my question: How can you become a billionaire without exploiting someone?

1. I'm not a communist nor a socialist as they cannot work on a massive global scale
2. Soviet Union was an industrial autocratic dictatorship literally not what Marx and Engels advocated for

So everyone should stop working and then the heavens will split and Marx will descend in a spectacle of lights with 7 faggots picking their nose and make everything work out?


is this what communists actually believe? Working sucks, but slavery is always worse.

Because people willingly work for you.

It's the same way you can open a lemonade stand without exploiting your sister. She mixes in the sugar, and you pay her half of the profit.

That's not exploitation, that's cooperation.

I do think Usury should be punishable by death, however. So maybe we aren't so different, you and I.

>because people willingly work for you

Trump is a fucktard but holy shit Communists trigger me no end. Not even American.

HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THIS IDEOLOGY IS A HUNDRED AND FUCKING FIFTY YEARS OLD, HAS NEVER WORKED AND IS NOW OBSOLETE AND INADEQUATE TO ANSWER THE MODERN WORLD'S PROBLEM TOO?

>Because people willingly work for you.
I'm sure the chinese factory workers and gulag slaves agree with you. If our big companies wouldn't give them jobs, they'd have nothing, right?

>the system is not perfect
>let's just make everyone poor instead!

how else would they make a living?

They'd be sustenance farmers, and there certainly wouldn't be a billion of them.

>They'd be sustenance farmers, and there certainly wouldn't be a billion of them.

...which would actually be better for the planet, now that I think about it.

Fuck me. The commie actually has a point.

they do.

Under """communism""" they are actually forced to work for you.

>the system is not perfect
I'd say it is, at least for a certain percentage of the people. Who cares that the rest gets fucked?
Is that really such a bad option compared to what they have now?

I think deep down you're a National Socialist.

Communism wouldn't solve that issue. It would be the exact same industrialization process, except you are killed by the government if you don't do your assigned duties.

well how would you solve that? Kill off a bunch of chinese or let them starve?

But with the free market they have the choice to play with the cards they were given or starve in some crackhouse. Truly the better way of living.

This is the first time I've ever been called a Nazi in more than 8 years on Veeky Forums.

I'm stunned.

If wealth is relative, how can EVERYONE be poor? Would that just be leveling the playing field?

Fortunately we've probably already reached a point of no return and we just have to wait until the planet blows up. At least I don't need to come up with a solution.

I'm not saying you are one, I'm saying that deep down, you would agree with it. There's nothing wrong with that.


Yes thats called reality. Everyone has to play with the cards they are dealt. Don't feel bad for the gazelle because it gets eaten by a lion.
>hurr that poor gazelle communism could've saved him


I don't understand what your solution is? Magically make everyone on earth rich? That would only work if we had a world population of like 500 million, and if we didn't have about 80% of them fucking retards like we have now.

Why did I start this thread?

Planet's not going to blow up (if you mean by climate change)

We'll have a massive global war before then. Hopefully whoever wins that will be more based than whoever we have now.

make one yourself, you lazy pseudointellectual faggot

Greed (at least the way we see it today) is not a part of nature. Show me the lion who hoards 20 billion gazelles on some carribean offshore paradise while the rest starves.

I was thinking more of a war or virus or something like that. But who knows?

Can I write in a nonexistent being? I've never voted before. I'd like to vote for Goku.

how about the lion who fucks all the sexy lionesses and kills any lion who tries to encroach upon his harem?

Greed is part of nature because it occurs naturally? You'd be greedy too if you had enough brains/drive to actually make money.

Pic related.

The texts and treatises that informed it were all European and there were no worthwhile texts from Africa.

Cheer up, you didn't seriously think that something meaningful could come out of this thread? Enjoy our little shitshow.

Hillary is the most corrupt presidential nominee in US history. At this point you're and edgelord if you're not voting for trump

>because they willingly work for you
>comparing lemon stands to multi-trillion dollar corporations

they're the same thing friend.

Does the sister in this situation have the threat of starvation hanging over her head if she doesn't sell her labor power to her brother?

Of course. Just like every other human being in the world.


>waahhh if I lay down in the middle of a field and never move a muscle, I'll eventually starve


Either get growing, go fishing, or sell your labor if you want food, m8

At least you have a control mechanism called mating season. That way lions don't get fucked all the time and without control. That's why we don't have 7 billion lions on this planet. But it's a silly analogy anyway.
And I'm probably the biggest hypocrite here, since I inherited a bit of money that allows me to lay back a bit more than other people. And here I am, playing the "commie" part in this thread.

Woah, a communist who is actually a bored rich guy? I've certainly never seen that before.

Trump.

But the wealthy landowners don't have to worry about starvation. They have people like you and me who are coerced into working for them under the threat of either state endorsed violence or starvation.

In fact, why does anyone have to starve? The modern economy is so productive that the food needs of the world's population. Seems to me like the only thing standing in the way of that is the wealthy elite maintaining private ownership of property they don't personally work.

so abolish private property then?

How about suck my dick? Just let the stupid people starve for a few generations. Then once it's only smart ones left, we can all agree to work together.


Because if we abolish private property, it's going to be essentially people like you and I enslaved generating welath so that Africans (read: subhuman retards) can fuck around and eat fried chicken for free.

youtube.com/watch?v=CGTvWkmEAtM

You don't need a fishing license if you're fishing for food in most states.

Not participating, desu.

As Gramsci writes in the Prison Notebooks, representative democracy is the mask of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Neither candidate is actually beholden to the people of the country in any meaningful way. As soon as they get into office they act in the interests of banks, arms manufacturers, big business, various well funded lobbies - in a word, capital. The state is always going to be the tool of the ruling class and it's a waste of time imagining any one candidate has the power to alter the relations of production.

Only mass movements have ever forced the state to adopt radical changes, and it has always been done against the state's will just as it has always been accompanied by the fear and the derision of wealthy media conglomerates. From the Depression Era Wobblies to Black Lives Matter, there has never been political autonomy for regular people except in the form of mass resistance.

"All hail to the mob," as James Connolly sez.

>so abolish private property then?
>How about suck my dick?

>Because if we abolish private property, it's going to be essentially people like you and I enslaved generating welath so that Africans (read: subhuman retards) can fuck around and eat fried chicken for free.

Shit, didn't realize I was talking to /pol/. You could try making an actual argument before descending into your autistic fit against those mean black kids who laughed at you in school.

Communism and Capitalism are two sides of the shame Shekel


embrace National Socialism.

I don't want to live in a society with forced equality, when people aren't equal.


I don't want everone to be equally wealthy when it means I'll have to actually work and others wont.

Well, not outrageously rich, just enough that I have don't to worry if I can come up with the rent or afford an operation, if necessary. Definitely bored though. But "communist" is a labe you gave to me. I'm just asking questions about certain flaws in the system (and not even in a deep or intelligent way)..

Voting for Clinton because Trump's a delusional asshole and 90% of the idiocy spouted about Clinton is horseshit.

>one day I'll be the one owning this boot

good luck with that

>asking someone quoting Gramsci to consider Nazism

Jesus Christ get literate, user.

He's the ignorant one.
More people would support National Socialism if they understood it.


>not wanting small government

I want as little boot as possible, and only a local boot, controlled by local people.

>I don't want everyone to be equally wealthy when it means I'll have to actually work and others wont

So in the meantime you'll work for your bosses to make them wealthy when they don't actually work???

Why are capitalist proles so goofy

yes. America has a time-honored tradition of voting for Mickey Mouse

I'm not a Capitalist. I support the free market in many cases, however.

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Not that I want to defend soviet Russia but the deal was simple: go to work and everything is cool, if you don't work, you'll go to prison and we make you work. No welfare, no leeching. This should sound like paradise to you

>I want as little boot as possible, and only a local boot, controlled by local people.

I think you have some misconceptions about the aim of communism. The aim is not to have a totally state controlled economy like what happened to the USSR, rather the aim is to abolish class, the state, and money. Hand in hand with this is to create smaller and more representative government(s).

OK sounds like National Socialism to me.


The only difference is the importance of Race.

>He's the ignorant one
>said the actual Nazi

AHAHAHAHAHA

He's conversant in actual political philosophy (what OP asked for in the first place) and you're just some frogposter who's never heard of Gramsci whose 'edgy but reasonable' politics come exclusively from an anonymous image board.

What books have you actually read to support any of your beliefs?

>inb4 The Art of the Deal

>National Socialists
>never heard of Gramsci

wew lad

and I don't need to read meme-philosophers like Zizek in order to have political beliefs.

Kek, you don't know a whole lot about lions, do you? Comparing their actions to human behavior and actions is poor. Your metaphor is weak: sorry.

Lions still hunt and kill gazelle, even if their hunger was just satisfied. They still go after and prey on the weak: the gazelle become almost like playthings to them. Once they're bored of playing with the wounded gazelle, they just kill it and leave it there to rot, or for all the other opportunist feeders to finish the carcass off. Lions kill because because of hunger, but also because they enjoy the hunt.

He outright said either anarchy (philosophically understood) or monarchy are the only viable systems. So, Tom Bombadil or Elessar.

No, national 'socialism' is not at all socialism, in fact the term socialism was used intentionally by the NSDAP to rally unions to their side.

National 'socialism' for all intents and purposes is fascism. Socialists contend that race is nothing more than an abstract concept, especially considering the fact that there is at most minor genetic differences between races. What truly matters is class. You either own land and live comfortably off of your workforce, or were born into a family that did not own land or have a large amount of money.

Socialism is about giving the working class democratic control of the factories and other means of production.

So you've never actually read a book on political philosophy and all your politics come from Veeky Forums?

It always floors me how smug the stupidest people are.

>reading books on political philosophy

LMAO are you honestly too stupid to defend your own beliefs?

What books have you read? Zizeks bibliography?

>race is an abstract concept
>there are at most minor genetic differences

why are communists so anti-science


>fascism is bad
I can't stand this meme. Anyone who doesn't support Fascism is a fucking idiot.

Facts about Hillary that are not horseshit:
She's a major warmonger and big proponent of regime change
She kept a private email server to avoid FOIA requests
She lied to congress about said email server while under oath
She and Bill totally fucked over Haiti after the earthquake while getting her brother a prominent and exploitative mining deal there
Her State Department signed off on the Uranium One deal after the Clinton Foundation received donations from Russian shell companies, and Bill got speaking fees from a Kremlin-connected company

All that is public record and it's more than enough to disqualify her in my eyes, and that's not even touching on all the "likely" things she's done or the politics of hers I disagree with.

>why would I READ something to inform my opinion

And there it is: the idiocy undergirding alt-right ideolgy. Why are you even on Veeky Forums?

The point of this board and this thread is literally to discuss books.

Yeah, most of my knowledge I took from the Lion King. But anyway, if they kill more than they have to, they do it to keep the rest of system running. Is it the same with the billionaires? Should we be thankful that they pump some of their money back into the economy when they buy italian sportcars and pay their housemaids?

>communists
>informed

lol. The only books you morons read are the literary equivalent of a circle-jerk

>why are communists so anti-science

Race as we understand, has only existed for 200 years, it developed alongside capitalism. The 'science' and sources typically cited by you and your fellow /pol/acks is about as credible as phrenology.

>I can't stand this meme. Anyone who doesn't support Fascism is a fucking idiot.

Name one good thing about complete surrender of the individual to the state.

individuals are like a frail twig, but when banded together they form a mighty faggot

races evolved seperately for at least 100,000 years, by modern estimates. Do you honestly think intelligence wasn't affected at all in those 100,000 years?

I never even said I was a communist. I never once mentioned Zizek.

This whole conversation has been one hundred percent projection on your part because straw men are the only thing your ilk know how to handle.

If you haven't read Rousseau, Locke, Machiavelli, Smith, Marx, heck even Plato, you have nothing important to say about politics. You also have nothing to contribute to this board or this thread which - I repeat - is for the discussion of literature.

But I'm always happen to confirm how illiterate the alt-right is. It's the schadenfreude that keeps giving.

whatever commie

Fascism rarely is about some grand uniting of people, more often than not it is a suppression of those same people to protect the interest of the bourgeoisie both domestic and foreign, and to satisfy the delusions of egotistical dictators.

>the majority of genetic differences between humans (85.4 percent) were found within a population, 8.3 percent were found between populations within a race and 6.3 percent were found to differentiate races

You could look past your spooks you know.

Hahahahahaha

you mad cuck?

noone will ever care about your Russeau or Locke or Plato

this is Trump country now. pic related


6.3 is still a big difference.

>he uses cuck as an argument

Can't post here unless your 18 buddy.

>being this much of a triggered cuck

AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

Couldn't you have like a very small set of genes, that would account for a tiny percentage of genetic material, that drastically affected intelligence?