Why is social justice bad?

Keep the people busy.

>social 'sciences'

Because attempts to achieve the Utopian fantasy of total equality usually end in failure and create further injustice. Most people concerned about social justice are not worried about equality of opportunity, they're worried about equality of outcome, and that's what the choose to correct.

It doesn't help that equality is an extremely subjective term. It's not uncommon for a class of people who have their success promoted by every government agency, elite and non-elite universities, thousands of non-profit organizations, and virtually every major Western media outlet on the planet to believe that the odds are stacked against them.

Attempts to achieve "social justice" only encourage these delusions of unjustified persecution

To call the belief in substantial human equality a superstition is to insult superstition. It might be unwarranted to believe in leprechauns, but at least the person who holds to such a belief isn’t watching them not exist, for every waking hour of the day. Human inequality, in contrast, and in all of its abundant multiplicity, is constantly on display, as people exhibit their variations in gender, ethnicity, physical attractiveness, size and shape, strength, health, agility, charm, humor, wit, industriousness, and sociability, among countless other features, traits, abilities, and aspects of their personality, some immediately and conspicuously, some only slowly, over time. To absorb even the slightest fraction of all this and to conclude, in the only way possible, that it is either nothing at all, or a ‘social construct’ and index of oppression, is sheer Gnostic delirium: a commitment beyond all evidence to the existence of a true and good world veiled by appearances. People are not equal, they do not develop equally, their goals and achievements are not equal, and nothing can make them equal. Substantial equality has no relation to reality, except as its systematic negation. Violence on a genocidal scale is required to even approximate to a practical egalitarian program, and if anything less ambitious is attempted, people get around it (some more competently than others).

Social justice obviously isn't bad in itself. It's just how you go about getting it that's the problem.

Accepting politically correct language for example, doesn't make people less oppressed throughout the world.

How are these facts?

It's below meme tier. United states federal law is racist and sexist against white men by far, in courts, taxation, and representation. But subhumans throw temper tantrums and roleplay as though they are being persecuted.

There has never been any country at any point in history that has persecured minorities and women less than the u.s. and that's just going off their federal budget allocation and not including the perks they get in terms of custody and hiring.

>Social justice obviously isn't bad in itself.
we still haven't seen you define this
but yes it is bad in itself

We need social justice for the white male these days

How can you possibly disagree with any of it?

The white male is the most blatantly persecuted demographic on the planet

I can think of many other groups that are encouraged to be insulted and deprived of opportunity

Why do you need to add a weird prefix to "justice"
Justice is Justice. What the fuck is the "social" for?
Society decides what's just? Justice only for societies?

Or is it like social media, when justice is being created through community?

Because I know plenty of smart black people, and plenty of stupid white people.

>we still haven't seen you define this

You do have Google. It isn't hard.

We are literally being genocided but no one cares.

This must be what the Jews felt during WWII

This is the white male's holocaust

I want to hear your own definition

Why is it bad in itself? It's wrong to want to make society better?

Are they smart according to a white standard? I doubt it

>It's wrong to want to make society better?
what do you mean?

>I want to hear your own definition

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice

>Social justice is the fair and just relation between the individual and society.
>fair
>just
can you define these?

You know, saying something in a silly voice doesn't invalidate the claims you're sarcastically making. If you don't know what genocide means then you shouldn't use the term up in arguments

Obviously humans are fundamentally different. The problem is that certain differences between us define our social standing in ways that aren't logical or just. Land himself cites charm, humor, wit; surely he doesn't think those should be used as bases for social inequality?

What is the white standard? How can you possibly know based on how dumb people are nowadays?

Are we talking about a fight for equality before the law in an unequal society, or a bunch of assholes on twitter looking for ways to be oppressed so that they can give a name to their personal failures?

>can you define these?

fair
fɛː/
adjective
adjective: fair; comparative adjective: fairer; superlative adjective: fairest

1.
treating people equally without favouritism or discrimination.
"the group has achieved fair and equal representation for all its members"
synonyms: just, equitable, fair-minded, open-minded, honest, upright, honourable, trustworthy;

>just

just
dʒʌst/
adjective
adjective: just; superlative adjective: justest

1.
based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair.
"a just and democratic society"
synonyms: fair, fair-minded, equitable, even-handed, impartial, unbiased, objective, neutral, disinterested, unprejudiced, open-minded, non-partisan, non-discriminatory;

what are the logical and just ways of determining social standing?

sounds like the society we live in (though those that promote """""""""""""""social justice""""""""""""""" are looking to threaten that)

Apply the laws of a republic to everyone in the same manner. Which means removing affirmative action and nationalizing all law firms. Public defenders for all.

Or you could just do as Denmark does.

>Apply the laws of a republic to everyone in the same manner.
why is this the logical and just way of doing things?

To turn a word into its opposite, simply stick the word "social" in front of it. Take for example:

Social Security: A pyramid scheme that will one day destroy the economy.

Social Realism: Soviet propaganda.

Social Capital: Stuff that isn't capital.

Social Anarchism: Anarchism, but with, you know gulags and shit.

Social Justice: Banning straight white men from the job market because we don't like them.

It works with any concept, really.

Might be. Like I said, social justice might not be a bad idea itself, but the people who claim to campaign for it usually think that silencing people or calling them racists etc, is how you actually get there, which is ridiculous.

Because otherwise you are deliberately singling out some for worse treatment than others without justification, which is immoral, contradicting the definition of "just" presented here .

>he belives in human nature

wew lad your argument is invalid

I mean trough multiculturalism, immigration, and the demonization of the white male our race as such is being genocided

human nature exists though lad

Is not, is just the stormfront forum pushing for another meme.

But jews have the highest iq

It's not.

t. national-syndicalist

According to studies made by Jews, sure

I hardly think anyone is arguing that equality before the law for citizens of a body is bad, and assuming someone actually believes that is silly and insulting.

>humans are not animals

>american culture is turning into cuck culture
why are so many authors anti US? its not a bad thing to have american pride, stop shitting on yourselves.

It presupposes some notion of justice.
Science can't prove anything.

>all these retards thinking equality=justice

So few people in here can even correctly identify the terms they're entrenched against.

The goal of liberalism, used in the broad sense, is to create a neutral network for the individual to find success and their definition of it. Social justice is an attempt to right perceived wrongs. If you ascribe to the Socalist Critique of Capitalism, then you would think that the domination of Western whites is a result of war and exploration. Redistribution from central authority would be seen as a method to correct this wrong to a socialist. Perhaps small scale collectivism lacking global authoritarianism would be acceptable to a certain breed of anarchist.

Get as close to the source material as you can from this subject. Typically people on this board are four degrees removed from whatever they're talking about and take most of their information from memes.

That's a CURVE. There are way less black people that scores high on IQ tests than white people.

Then what is human nature?

Much of our ideas about the nature of humanity is fed to us from the state or from advertising. It's a dubious term without a clear definition.

the desires and limitations imposed upon us by our biology

/pol

Because what it means to be American has been shook up since the 60s. The term is up for debate. The best thing to do is not base yourself on a shifting term who's meaning is decided by a group of people you mostly don't know.

Who told you to leave /pol/?

Nazism, authoritarianism, statism is the anti-American things. You should understand why you moron. Worshiping Hitler is just as retarded you reactionary idiot. Hitler was America's mortal enemy and fought to the death. Jackass. Go back. /lit is for people who read.

>Socalist Critique of Capitalism, then you would think that the domination of Western whites is a result of war and exploration. Redistribution from central authority would be seen as a method to correct this wrong to a socialist

That seems like more of a liberal argument. All you're saying is that offenders of historic crimes should be held subject to legal liability e.g. the American state should be held liable for slavery. The legal precedent was established at the Nuremberg Trials that aggressors should be ex post facto liable [but of course those standards were never meant to be applied to America only evil Germans].

> What social justice is supposed to be
People should be generally treated equally and have access to equal opportunity.

> What it is
IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME YOU"RE A RAAAPIST. IF YOU AGREE WITH ME YOU"RE A CUUCK

I don't think the problem is "social justice" on itself. the problem is "(internet) social justice warriors", the kind of people that has already been described ITT ( , , , etc.)

>there is only one definition of justice
lemme guess you also believe that the judiciary is the ultimate justice system

and what are those? also, how are medical doctors and health techology dealt with in your definition? even more, how is any techology dealt with?

I'm trying define liberalism as boadly as possible. Trying to make society a neutral framework is a goal shared by the likes of Ayn Rand and Noam Chomsky.

Aspect of socialism like the interventionist state where adopted by liberal parties throughout Europe in the nineteenth century so the terms get confused.

Neither of my posts where advocating a specific position. I would never enter a political discussion with so much of /pol/ waiting in the wings.

I have never been on /pol/, lmao. Also, I'm a classical liberal, I don't know why anyone would worship Hitler.

it isn'

I'm not being racist but I'm implying that Africans are inferior, the textbook defintion of racism.

You also threw in some robot tier "women should belong to men" bullsht, when statistically women probably do more than you.

Ok, so something becomes another thing when it becomes unfavorable?

Day 1: Basketball
Day 2: Bug orange ball that BLAK PEOPLE LIKE

I have another example.

Day 1: We just want to be respected as white people and not blamed for the actions of others
Day 2: Stupid fucking niggers deserved slavery and natives deserved rape!

>Fact: almost all inventions of nite, and artistic masterpieces have been by white males

The numbers that enable me to link to your laughable opinion have been invented by brown people.

>whites are supposedly master race
>but also subservient to the inferior Jews

pick one and only one Stormfats.