Is there any science against water fluoridation?

Is there any science against water fluoridation?

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeletal_fluorosis
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sports.yahoo.com/news/groups-urge-epa-ban-fluoridation-based-risk-brain-145600317.html
indybay.org/newsitems/2016/12/04/18794399.php
scimex.org/__data/assets/file/0017/106523/16399-NHMRC-Fluoride-Information.pdf
link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-40686-2_3/magazine_article/fluoridated-drinking-water/
hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/fluoridated-drinking-water/
link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-40686-2_3
fluoridealert.org/articles/epa_fluoride_petition/
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There is no clear evidence against water fluoridation, however, there is clear evidence to show that it does, in fact, reduce tooth decay. Although it can cause dental fluorosis, this is widely considered to be a cosmetic issue and not a public health concern.

The question is there any science that supports medicating a water supply? Why not add vitamin C? Why not add some iron and minerals?

Some water supplies are so toxic already that a little fluoride won't make much of a difference anyway.

It will probably make peoples teeth weaker in the long run, possibly become dependent on fluoridated water for normal tooth health
It can easily wreck your teeth if you eat toothpaste as a kid
(why does it need to be in toothpaste if it's already in the water?)

Water fluoridation is used in the United States, United Kingdom, Ireland, Canada, and Australia, and a handful of other countries. The following nations previously fluoridated their water, but stopped the practice, with the years when water fluoridation started and stopped in parentheses:

Federal Republic of Germany (1952–1971)
Sweden (1952–1971)
Netherlands (1953–1976)
Czechoslovakia (1955–1990)
German Democratic Republic (1959–1990)
Soviet Union (1960–1990)
Finland (1959–1993)
Japan (1952–1972)[77]
Israel (1981–2014) *Mandatory by law since 2002.[78][79]

The only generally accepted adverse effect of fluoride at levels used for water fluoridation is dental fluorosis, which can alter the appearance of children's teeth during tooth development; this is mostly mild and usually only an aesthetic concern. Compared to unfluoridated water, fluoridation to 1 mg/L is estimated to cause fluorosis in one of every 6 people (range 4–21)

>there is clear evidence to show that it does

When it's in toothpaste. No such hard evidence when it is applied to water. Its pretty useless, does no good nor harm. Just an extra thing for the state to waste money on.

On Tuesday, British researchers called for health authorities to reconsider its water fluoridation program after a new study linked fluoride to higher rates of hypothyroidism - low thyroid function that slows the metabolism down and can cause fatigue, weight gain and depression.

The observational study published in the Journal of Epidemiology & Community Health (a specialist journal published by the British Medical Journal group) reported that GP clinics in areas with fluoridated water were nearly twice as likely to report high rates of hypothyroidism compared with clinics in areas without water fluoridation.

fluorosis is real.

PPM in water can be high in some places

drinking city water does wonders for my heartburn. I wonder what makes it so basic in PH?

I've also noticed it completely cures my anxiety. (hint hint)

EPA Petitioned to Acknowledge Extensive Fluoride/Brain Risk Evidence
by Fluoride Action Network
Sunday Dec 4th, 2016 11:36 AM
Groups delivered 2500 pages of scientific evidence to EPA showing fluoride/brain risks that warrants EPA's banning the unnecessary addition of fluoride chemicals into public water supplies
A coalition of environmental, medical and health groups have served the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) with a Petition, which includes over 2,500 pages of supporting scientific documentation, calling on the Agency to ban the addition of fluoridation chemicals to public water supplies due to the risks these chemicals pose to the brain, reports the Fluoride Action Network (FAN).

The Petition explains that “the amount of fluoride now regularly consumed by millions of Americans in fluoridated areas exceeds the doses repeatedly linked to IQ loss and other neurotoxic effects."

, the lethal dose for most adult humans is estimated at 5 to 10 g (which is equivalent to 32 to 64 mg/kg elemental fluoride/kg body weight).[1][2][3] Ingestion of fluoride can produce gastrointestinal discomfort at doses at least 15 to 20 times lower (0.2–0.3 mg/kg or 10 to 15 mg for a 50 kg person) than lethal doses.[4]

Contrary to claims that only high doses of fluoride are linked to brain damage, studies of fluoride-exposed human populations consistently find neurotoxic effects at water fluoride levels well below the EPA's "safe" level (4 mg/L).

One recent study from China found that children ingesting just 1.4 milligrams of fluoride each day suffered a 5-point loss in IQ. Some children living in fluoridated areas in the United States ingest doses comparable to this level.

Research also shows that some Americans have fluoride levels in their urine and blood that equal or exceed the levels linked to cognitive deficits.

"As with lead, fluoride is a neurotoxic and an endocrine disrupting substance that has no place in our drinking water," Connett states. "The EPA should follow Europe's lead and end fluoridation."

sources

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_toxicity
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeletal_fluorosis

baka.com.au/national/health/studies-linking-fluoride-in-water-to-health-issues-prompt-australian-review-20150224-13nr33.html
sports.yahoo.com/news/groups-urge-epa-ban-fluoridation-based-risk-brain-145600317.html
indybay.org/newsitems/2016/12/04/18794399.php

Some people are concerned that fluoride is a poison, medication or drug, which should not be added to the drinking water. Regulatory bodies (like the Therapeutic Goods Administration) do not consider fluoridated drinking water to be a therapeutic good or medicine.
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> There is insufficient evidence
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to reach a conclusion about any association between gastric
discomfort and water fluoridation at current Australian levels.
There is insufficient evidence
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to reach a conclusion about any association between headache
and water fluoridation at current Australian levels.
There is insufficient evidence
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to reach a conclusion about any association between insomnia
and water fluoridation at current Australian level

There is insufficient evidence
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to reach a conclusion about any association between thyroid
function and water fluoridation at current Australian levels

There is insufficient evidence
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to reach a conclusion about any association between skeletal
fluorosis and water fluoridation at current Australian levels.
There is insufficient evidence
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to reach a conclusion about any association between osteoporosis
and water fluoridation at current Australian levels.
The evidence shows that there is no association
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between incidence of hip fracture and water
fluoridation at current Australian levels.
There is insufficient evidence
aj
to reach a conclusion about any association between
musculoskeletal pain and water fluoridation at current Australian levels.

There is insufficient evidence
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to reach a conclusion about any association between low birth
weight and water fluoridation at current Australian levels

There is insufficient evidence
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to reach a conclusion about any association between kidney
stones and water fluoridation at current Australian levels

scimex.org/__data/assets/file/0017/106523/16399-NHMRC-Fluoride-Information.pdf

Shouldn't the burden of proof lie with the ones promoting fluoride?

>no clear evidence
link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-40686-2_3/magazine_article/fluoridated-drinking-water/

It's not letting me add all my links in one post so i'll put one more here and you guys can look into some more studies yourselves.

hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/fluoridated-drinking-water/

link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-40686-2_3

>I wonder what makes it so basic in PH?

You probably live in an area with hard water, meaning there are relatively high levels of alkaline metals in the water (mostly carbonates of calcium and magnesium with other trace minerals).

>dental fluorosis
>cosmetic issue
You clearly don't have the slightest idea what fluorosis is.

A coalition of environmental, medical and health groups have served the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) with a Petition, which includes over 2,500 pages of supporting scientific documentation, calling on the Agency to ban the addition of fluoridation chemicals to public water supplies due to the risks these chemicals pose to the brain, fluoridealert.org/articles/epa_fluoride_petition/

Pineal gland calcification

That's more than enough reason to cut the fluoride

Yeah if it was actually real

Are you kidding?

It's not hard to look up that the pineal gland holds the highest concentration of fluoride in the entire body and consumption of fluoride increases this concentration.

Higher fluoride levels in the gland reduces the production of melatonin and increases the onset of puberty which can have a lot of detrimental health effects.

Yea sure, it's suuuper safe that it's dumped in water supplies.

This guy has the gist. Better brushing habits are making water fluoridation increasingly unnecessary, but there's still a risk in poor communities of tooth decay if we just up and turn off the fluoride tap.

Pretty sure he's a conspiracy theorist and that the question was rhetorical.

Dental fluorosis is cosmetic except in rare severe cases.

We don't add vitamins and minerals because they don't need to be supplemented for the cart majority of people, despite what vitamin manufacturers will tell you.

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Yes. Lots. /Thread