Is philosophy as tough as STEM subjects?

what if harvard or duke is stamped on the degree then what

then why say what?

Because you seemed to imply otherwise.

Yeah, this was my experience as well. I think a few philosophy courses can be really valuable for personal development in terms of logic, argumentation and ethics.

I like the study of philosophy but I would be afraid to major in it. It is too subjective based on who is teaching it.
I know a 50-something year old lady who happens to be an engineer that regretted taking "Intro to Philosophy" because her professor basically had one favorite student and she ended up getting a "C". She thought taking Philosophy would be "cool", even in her days like many students today. That was the lowest grade she ever got. Reading philosophical literature can be very enjoyable though. I've talked about philosophy a little little bit with her. All I know is she hates Nietzsche with a passion. Is that typical of conservatives?

> autism

I think there's a big difference between an academic who's a conservative, and your average bumbling conservative. You should ask her if you're curious.

i was saying that you use that picture to substantiate the idea of philosophy as high as math, but that graph isn't actually evidence is it if you can conflate it with number of females in the class.

you were using an innapropriate picture.

I think most people here thinks that less females means good.

What do they even teach in modern philosophy classes?

90% karl marx right

>90% karl marx right
I really should get around to making a Veeky Forums cringe collage some day.

like many an engineer she probably writes like shit and is terrible and summarizing something that is not lab data.

Taking my first philosophy class in ancient philosophy this semester. Absolutely seems like a worthwhile train to go down as long as I get my STEM degree.

Philosophy seems pretty fucking interesting, and shouldn't all college graduates have at least a rudimentary education in it?

Not sure if you are just dumb or if you are implying that universities are leftist propaganda machines

go

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back to pol

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ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TRYING TO SUGGEST THAT I SHOULD BE EDUCATED, YOU FUCKING SHITLORD????????

I'm actually in this situation right now. I thought philosophy was interesting, I still do, but the test are just based on if the teacher agrees on your opinion or not.
I really like the lectures but they don't prepare you for the test.

the person you're replying to is saying that they aren't

>engineer
>academic

pls

who do you think makes all the "global warming isn't real" posts

canadians

There is no left bias in academia

Just like there's no reality bias in this statement

NO!

In philosophy you can be wrong, but become right by justifying your answer with an argument.

In mathematics, you're either correct, or incorrect. Did you "get the right number, but forgot to add a zero in the tenth's place"? Congratulations, you just killed 400 people because the equation you made that is going into the machine tool being programmed is going to manufacture parts out of spec.

In a philosophical argument, did you gloss over some of the details, but generally got your annoying point across? Congratulations, you just wasted everyones time, while at the same time misleading 20% of the audience to the wrong conclusion.

>be mathematician
>get job at machine tool factory which makes parts for toyota priuses and other items coveted by liberals
>forget to add the zero all the time

...

It took mathematicians long enough to be useful.

>mathematician
>job
pick one

Not the person you're replying to, but I'm also a mathematician. I'm even listed on my company website as such (though I'm not going to dox myself). I do cryptography.

>cryptography
so what you're a gravekeeper? what does that have to do with math?

I scramble the dead brains so they can't come back and eat people.

>In mathematics, you're either correct, or incorrect.
t. brainlet
see: axiom of choice

No. No it is not.

I can tell you from personal experience that it is not. I studied Philosophy major for my first year of university, ended with a GPA of 6.25 (out of possible 7). Transferred to mechanical and aerospace engineering, and now average a GPA of 5 with double or triple the amount of work put in.

Hey OP, I'm actually a physics and philosophy double major.

It's tough to say which is harder to learn. Philosophy involves a lot of re reading the same page for like an hour to understand exactly what's being said and how it relates to the over arching argument. Physics is generally easy to understand the concepts (excluding relativity) but harder to do the problems. If I had to choose I would say physics is a bit harder, but philosophy is far more difficult to get good grades in.

totally. it makes you question like what your culture has already conditioned you to be true and like always makes you ask "what if"? plus to become fully enlightened you must completely remove your ego which is not a simple task. only then can you really like understand were all one no one is an island to themselves it is our continuous energy that creates the universe at each discrete moment in time

You started off well but then you went off the deep end.

Obviously it is. Or else the STEMfags would understand it and be able to debunk it from inside-out.

I have a feeling the ancients were much more intelligent than the people alive today.

The fuck? Do you live in the UK?

STEMfags don't waste their time with such nonsense.

>standard deviation +/-. 80
Wat

Its tougher to get a good job than STEM

No, it is not.

You can get a philosophy grade without understanding it as the ancients did. I know very stupid dudes who got this grade and they did not learn shit.

To get a STEM degree you have to understand what's going on and what you are doing.

>130 average for top tier engineers, scientists and other good stuff

I have 140 iq, determined in an official test when i got my ADD-diagnosis, and yet i struggle with basic math and work at mcdonalds.

What the fuck is wrong with me?

you don't work hard

in the uk philosophy students are dipshits who just want to right woolly opinion-piece essays about feminism and postmodernism.

Many of them honestly cannot precisely argue for shit.

Same in Ireland

Also many, many ex-hippy Mature students.

Not a lot of rigorous analytical philosophy going on from what I've seen of it, though maybe it exists at PhD or Masters level

Maybe at a shitty uni. If you don't know what you're writing about in a paper at a half way decent uni they'll call you on your bullshit.

Only Analytic and Marxian
In conty world anything goes

Analytic is basically logicism/linguistics.

If you aren't a complete idiot or take all garbage classes it stacks up pretty well to STEM stuff. Most schools in the US teach analytic style philosophy concentrations. Most EU are continental style garbage though.

analytic sounds like boring shit for virgins
meanwhile reading deleuze to grills makes them wet

Philosophy is an awfully broad field. Most philosophy programs should be called history of philosophy. But, yes, it certainly can be if you take analytic philosophy and study mathematics and logic.

Yes and no. They both are asking the same questions and should be feeding off each other.

It's because you're retarded. Fuck off

Philosophy is about trying to think outside the box. STEM is mostly about learning the inside of the box.

No. Literally anyone can sit down on a chair and think about the world.

Math is logic. Logic is a discipline of philosophy. Math is a discipline of philosophy.

>English Language and Literature
>120

not too bad, r-right?

Phil grad student here, it's a meme.